Re: (Really) Free Software future

2019-10-16 Thread František Kučera
Dne 15. 10. 19 v 21:56 Svante Signell napsal(a): > As you know there is > only one _upstream_ of systemd and that upstream is a company. Systemd > software is developed by that company, and as you also know is that > contributions, patches and bug reports coming from outside that company > are

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-16 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > There is no evidence that presenting information via a person's > preferred

Re: (html emails) Re: systemd replacement or standardization

2019-10-16 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
>Emacs alone cannot handle emails as fast as I wish it should. It is >good for smaller volumes. > > I think it handles large volumes immensly well, only today I had to go > through about 300 messages. Which package do you use? I use rmail.

Re: (Really) Free Software future

2019-10-16 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
systemd binaries are dependent on systemd and replaces programs that did not have such dependencies. It is creating similar situation as vendor lock-in is creating. That is the case with any system, things depend on things -- what is important is not to depend on non-free software.

Re: Thoughts on the Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-16 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Le mardi 15 octobre 2019, 21:21:01 CEST Stefan Huchler a écrit : > > Selam G is a frantic person who misunderstood my words. Perhaps she > > did not know the meaning of the expression, "present oneself as" and > > equated it to "be". Her moral fault was being too quick to demonize > > and

Re: systemd replacement or standardization

2019-10-16 Thread marinus.savoritias
GNOME used to be compiled with Autotools from the GNU project. Now it is based on meson. https://mesonbuild.com/index.html Iniative: https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/GnomeGoals/MesonPorting Fannys

Re: Thoughts on the Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-16 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Le mardi 15 octobre 2019, 21:21:01 CEST Stefan Huchler a écrit : > > Selam G is a frantic person who misunderstood my words. Perhaps she > > did not know the meaning of the expression, "present oneself as" and > > equated it to "be". Her moral fault was being too quick to demonize > > and

Re: (Really) Free Software future

2019-10-16 Thread Jean Louis
* Alfred M. Szmidt [2019-10-17 00:10]: >systemd binaries are dependent on systemd and replaces programs that >did not have such dependencies. It is creating similar situation as >vendor lock-in is creating. > > That is the case with any system, things depend on things -- what is >

Re: (html emails) Re: systemd replacement or standardization

2019-10-16 Thread Jean Louis
* Alfred M. Szmidt [2019-10-17 00:11]: >>Emacs alone cannot handle emails as fast as I wish it should. It is >>good for smaller volumes. >> >> I think it handles large volumes immensly well, only today I had to go >> through about 300 messages. > >Which package

Re: (html emails) Re: systemd replacement or standardization

2019-10-16 Thread Jean Louis
* Alfred M. Szmidt [2019-10-16 02:30]: >Emacs alone cannot handle emails as fast as I wish it should. It is >good for smaller volumes. > > I think it handles large volumes immensly well, only today I had to go > through about 300 messages. To tell specifics from my side, I am using

Re: Thoughts on the Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-16 Thread Jean Louis
Good article to read: https://medium.com/@tossing.bark/remove-stallman-you-say-and-everyone-else-horrible-in-tech-fd4b1446b0a1 whereby the article really have relevance to the defaming statement from Guix pages. More facts on what happened: Facts:

Re: (Really) Free Software future

2019-10-16 Thread Jean Louis
* Alexander Vdolainen [2019-10-16 07:26]: > > Free Software should be community developed. There is no problem for > > companies to contribute but they absolutely should not be the the driven > > factor. Otherwise we have an hostile solution to forks like Systemd. > > I'm afraid, but in a

Re: (Really) Free Software future

2019-10-16 Thread Jean Louis
* Svante Signell [2019-10-16 02:23]: > On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 22:41 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > > If systemD is be hard to replace, that is a kind of lock-in. But it > > isn't _vendor_ lock-in. systemD, like most free software packages, > > is not tied to any particular vendor.

Re: (html emails) Re: systemd replacement or standardization

2019-10-16 Thread Jean Louis
* Alfred M. Szmidt [2019-10-16 02:33]: >Emacs alone cannot handle emails as fast as I wish it should. It is >good for smaller volumes. > > I think it handles large volumes immensly well, only today I had to go > through about 300 messages. Which package do you use? When I have set Gnus

Re: systemd replacement or standardization

2019-10-16 Thread Jean Louis
* marinus.savorit...@tuta.io [2019-10-17 00:00]: > GNOME used to be compiled with Autotools from the GNU project. > Now it is based on meson. > https://mesonbuild.com/index.html > Iniative: > https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/GnomeGoals/MesonPorting >