Re: [security-discuss] gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-09 Thread Assaf Gordon
Hello Anonymous and all, On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 05:31:01AM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: On the other hand, the website http://gnuradio.org/ is not providing a reference to documentation. Please send suggestions to improving GNU radio to the GNU radio maintainers. The GNU radio

Re: [security-discuss] gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-08 Thread Jean Louis
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 12:55:19PM +0100, Anonymous wrote: > Alfred M. Szmidt said: > > >Your PDP-10 analogy is not a constructed limitation (as an IP > >treatment policy is), it's actually a "limitation" due to someone > >else not doing some work for you, which makes it so perversely

Re: [security-discuss] gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-08 Thread Anonymous
Alfred M. Szmidt said: >Your PDP-10 analogy is not a constructed limitation (as an IP >treatment policy is), it's actually a "limitation" due to someone >else not doing some work for you, which makes it so perversely >different as to only harm your position. This false analogy >

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-05 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
I don't know what "dropbox" means, except for the site, dropbox.com. In GUI it generally means one of those multiple choice drop down menus. Are you saying that this has nothing to do with dropbox.com? That is correct.

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-04 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >The use of Dropbox is a possible concern. What job is Dropbox >being

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-04 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > That JavaScript is part of the doxygen package. It is, therefore, licensed >

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-04 Thread Anonymous
Alfred M. Szmidt said: >> By the same logic, I am being refused by the GNU project and the FSF >> to install free software on a PDP-10 since they are not providing me >> with MLDEV access, or DECtapes. > >You can't reject a real use-case with a hypothetical use-case. > > Funny

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-03 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> even any browser more advanced than curl or wget), you would > have noticed that those links are part of the dropbox which > itself is part of the search field. The use of Dropbox is a possible concern. What job is Dropbox being used for, here? Can you tell me where in

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-03 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
>You've obviously missed some posts. This is what lynx looks like over >Tor: > > No it dosn't. > >That's a denial of service. > > No it isn't. Are you going to support those claims? Look it up in a dictionary.

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-03 Thread Anonymous
Alfred M. Szmidt said: >You've obviously missed some posts. This is what lynx looks like over >Tor: > > No it dosn't. > >That's a denial of service. > > No it isn't. Are you going to support those claims? You didn't counter the arguments you are responding to; this is merely a

Re: [security-discuss] gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-03 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > That's as easy as running tor with a configuration where you exclude > at

Re: [security-discuss] gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-03 Thread ng0
On 17-03-02 20:08:39, ng0 wrote: > On 17-03-02 11:50:09, Richard Stallman wrote: > > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] > > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-03 Thread Anonymous
Jean Louis said: > > I suggest you go and visit the actual GNU Radio page, which is fully > > usable in Lynx for example. You can also browse the manual directly > > by building GNU radio. > > > > http://gnuradio.org/doc/doxygen/page_exploring_gnuradio.html > > > > And since GNU Radio is

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
>It is impossible to access full documentation on that page by using >lynx. Have you tried using links? > > I just accessed the link from lynx. so where where you get that it is > "impossible" I have no idea. > >I mean, it is Hypertext Markup Language, and all

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
You've obviously missed some posts. This is what lynx looks like over Tor: No it dosn't. That's a denial of service. No it isn't.

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Nomen Nescio
Alfred M. Szmidt said: > I suggest you go and visit the actual GNU Radio page, which is fully > usable in Lynx for example. You can also browse the manual directly > by building GNU radio. > > http://gnuradio.org/doc/doxygen/page_exploring_gnuradio.html You've obviously missed some posts.

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Filip Brcic
Дана четвртак, 02. март 2017. у 22.50.02 CET, Jean Louis написа: > On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 02:00:36PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > >It is impossible to access full documentation on that page by using > >lynx. Have you tried using links? > > > > I just accessed the link from lynx. so

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Jean Louis
On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 02:00:36PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: >It is impossible to access full documentation on that page by using >lynx. Have you tried using links? > > I just accessed the link from lynx. so where where you get that it is > "impossible" I have no idea. > >I

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
It is impossible to access full documentation on that page by using lynx. Have you tried using links? I just accessed the link from lynx. so where where you get that it is "impossible" I have no idea. I mean, it is Hypertext Markup Language, and all links are "javascript:void(0)"

Re: [security-discuss] gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > As far as I perceive it, ftp.gnu.org and the alpha ftp do not provide > any

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > A party could require that you ID yourself with a passport before they > send

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Jean Louis
On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 10:04:28AM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > I suggest you go and visit the actual GNU Radio page, which is fully > usable in Lynx for example. You can also browse the manual directly > by building GNU radio. > >

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
I suggest you go and visit the actual GNU Radio page, which is fully usable in Lynx for example. You can also browse the manual directly by building GNU radio. http://gnuradio.org/doc/doxygen/page_exploring_gnuradio.html And since GNU Radio is licensed under the GNU GPL version 3, it already

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Jean Louis
On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 09:37:24AM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > The GNU project nor GNU Radio conducted itself in any such shape or > form, repeating a lie does not make it true. > >When a part of the GNU project blocks Tor users, the project as a >whole (if it must be viewed as a

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Jean Louis
On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 03:17:51PM +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: > Alfred M. Szmidt said: > > >That is lack of police at the GNU project. > > > > That is a good thing. > > It's only a good thing when police are not needed. > > I also think Jean Louis was using "police" loosely, perhaps to

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Anonymous
Alfred M. Szmidt said: >But some of whome embrace freedom 0 don't want to be forced to >use the tools in a restricted capacity. A privacy-proponent >might want to use wget over Tor, as follows: > > To use a program you have to have a copy of it, there is no > obligation (be it

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
No one expected a GNU project to conduct itself in such a freedom-hostile manner, so the lack of legal framework to handle this is understandable. The GNU project nor GNU Radio conducted itself in any such shape or form, repeating a lie does not make it true. When a part of the GNU

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-02 Thread Nomen Nescio
Alfred M. Szmidt said: >That is lack of police at the GNU project. > > That is a good thing. It's only a good thing when police are not needed. I also think Jean Louis was using "police" loosely, perhaps to also mean lack of /legislators/ using feedback to make adjustments when shit

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-01 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > It will depend on what tor exit node you're using: > cloudflare is a provider

Re: [security-discuss] gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-01 Thread ng0
On 17-03-01 17:25:19, hellekin wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 03/01/2017 05:03 PM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > >That way, I am limited, when using wget, and wrong Tor exit > >(hypothetically) to access the software. It is a clear limitation. > > > > By

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-01 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
That way, I am limited, when using wget, and wrong Tor exit (hypothetically) to access the software. It is a clear limitation. By the same logic, I am being refused by the GNU project and the FSF to install free software on a PDP-10 since they are not providing me with MLDEV access, or

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-01 Thread Jean Louis
On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 09:53:54AM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: >Best solution for any GNU parts and software would be that there is >clear policy on hosting. > > There is clear policy, and it is up to the discretion of the > maintainer. This is spelled out in the GNU Maintainer

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-01 Thread Nomen Nescio
Alfred M. Szmidt said: > Works for Me. > > ~ $ wget http://gnuradio.org/releases/gnuradio/gnuradio-3.7.10.1.tar.gz If you use wget in the manner required by CloudFlare, Inc. and GNU Radio Foundation, Inc., indeed there is no issue. But some of whome embrace freedom 0 don't want to be forced

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-01 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
>> Works for Me. >> >> ~ $ wget http://gnuradio.org/releases/gnuradio/gnuradio-3.7.10.1.tar.gz > >If you use wget in the manner required by CloudFlare, Inc. and GNU >Radio Foundation, Inc., indeed there is no issue. > >But some of whome embrace

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-01 Thread Jean Louis
On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 08:02:41AM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: >> Works for Me. >> >> ~ $ wget http://gnuradio.org/releases/gnuradio/gnuradio-3.7.10.1.tar.gz > >If you use wget in the manner required by CloudFlare, Inc. and GNU >Radio Foundation, Inc., indeed there is no

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-01 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> Works for Me. > > ~ $ wget http://gnuradio.org/releases/gnuradio/gnuradio-3.7.10.1.tar.gz If you use wget in the manner required by CloudFlare, Inc. and GNU Radio Foundation, Inc., indeed there is no issue. But some of whome embrace freedom 0 don't want to be forced to use

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-01 Thread Anonymous
Alfred M. Szmidt said: > Works for Me. > > ~ $ wget http://gnuradio.org/releases/gnuradio/gnuradio-3.7.10.1.tar.gz If you use wget in the manner required by CloudFlare, Inc. and GNU Radio Foundation, Inc., indeed there is no issue. But some of whome embrace freedom 0 don't want to be forced

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-03-01 Thread Paolo Bonzini
On 28/02/2017 16:47, Jean Louis wrote: > Are there so many users downloading the software, that the project > managers lack the money for hosting? Isn't hosting today pretty cheap? It's the opposite of lack of money; CDNs are just as expensive as regular high-quality hosting (which is _not_

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-02-28 Thread Anonymous
Jean Louis said: > It is hard for me to understand why those project managers use > Cloudflare or captchas, is the money the problem, what is the > problem there? It's hard to even find out, because the gnuradio project managers are so hostile on the matter they won't even answer the question.

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-02-28 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I found that I could access gnuradio.org through Tor using our IceCat browser with

Re: gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-02-28 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Readers of the free.software newsgroup should be aware that a GNU tool >

gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-02-28 Thread Anonymous
The GNU Radio project hosts its website on CloudFlare. So users of wget, cURL, w3m, and lynx are denied access to GNU Radio documentation, which is exclusively available on www.gnuradio.org and not included in the distribution, if their network runs over Tor. This is perhaps the first case of a

gnuradio project DoS attacks GNU wget users

2017-02-28 Thread Anonymous
The GNU Radio project hosts its website on CloudFlare. So users of wget, cURL, w3m, and lynx are denied access to GNU Radio documentation, which is exclusively available on www.gnuradio.org and not included in the distribution, if their network runs over Tor. This is perhaps the first case of a