Re: [GNC] UK specific: any progress on MTD (Making Tax Difficult) ?

[Maf. King]

On Friday, 3 August 2018 17:17:46 BST Mike Evans wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:10:46 +0100
> 
> Alain D D Williams  wrote:
> > This is the UK government's edict any business with a turnover of more
> > than
> > £85k/year will *need* to use accounting software and use that to submit
> > tax
> > returns - from April 2019 (& all above £10k from April 2020).
> > 
> > https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hmrc-publishes-more-information-on-maki
> > ng-tax-digital
> > 
> > This was discussed here some time ago, but was inconclusive.
> 
> This was discussed briefly on the devel list but judging by the lack of
> response I guess that there are very few UK users that are affected.
> 
> Inserting this into the GnuCash code I think is unrealistic for the
> apparently few users and specific use-case.  One could, I suppose, use a
> Python to extract the relevant data and interact with the HMRC API as a
> separate application that has access to the GnuCash data book. I imagine
> extracting the required data should be (relatively) easy, and (simply)
> interfacing with HMRC is all that's required from there.
> 
> I signed up as a developer and have written some python that gets through
> the oauth2 part. I'm now trying to interface with the "Individual Tax" API.
> Just getting various errors at the moment but that's better than yesterday.
>  I've no idea yet as to what data is required to push to the API, I can't
> find any relevant info.
> 
> This should be on the devel list perhaps.
> 
> Mike E

It will affect me, but I'm not in a position to do much about it or work on a 
solution, and am certainly not on the -devel list.  I need to talk to my 
accountant later in the year about this.  My VAT affairs are pretty 
straightforward and I've always done my own returns.  I might have to move the 
business books away from GC if there is no alternative.

it does seem to me from reading the link provided in the OP that a GC report 
or two feeding into a spreadsheet containing the "api magic" HMRC talk about 
might be a way forward.  GC doesn't have to directly submit the return to 
HMRC, if I understood the notes properly.

Maf.




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Re: [GNC] UK specific: any progress on MTD (Making Tax Difficult) ?

[Mike Evans]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:10:46 +0100
Alain D D Williams  wrote:

> This is the UK government's edict any business with a turnover of more than
> £85k/year will *need* to use accounting software and use that to submit tax
> returns - from April 2019 (& all above £10k from April 2020).
> 
> https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hmrc-publishes-more-information-on-making-tax-digital
> 
> This was discussed here some time ago, but was inconclusive.
> 

This was discussed briefly on the devel list but judging by the lack of 
response I guess that there are very few UK users that are affected.

Inserting this into the GnuCash code I think is unrealistic for the apparently 
few users and specific use-case.  One could, I suppose, use a Python to extract 
the relevant data and interact with the HMRC API as a separate application that 
has access to the GnuCash data book. I imagine extracting the required data 
should be (relatively) easy, and (simply) interfacing with HMRC is all that's 
required from there.

I signed up as a developer and have written some python that gets through the 
oauth2 part. I'm now trying to interface with the "Individual Tax" API. Just 
getting various errors at the moment but that's better than yesterday.  I've no 
idea yet as to what data is required to push to the API, I can't find any 
relevant info.

This should be on the devel list perhaps.

Mike E

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Re: [GNC] Change text color

[GT-I9070 H]

Em sex, 3 de ago de 2018 às 10:52, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> escreveu:

> I also want to organize that long list of properties better. Maybe after
> some testing, they can be paired with the selectors they work for.
>
> Something else I thought that might be useful is a collection of links to
> user css files that specifically tweak Adwaita, Adwaita Dark, et cetera.
> I’m thinking of something like a ’skin’ css file with lots of changes
> already included. (though easy for anyone to further tweak and customize
> but with all the selectors and properties worked out and already included)
> I’m not sure where these files should reside. Perhaps along with the sample
> files on Github or maybe a section of the gnucash.org website.
>

Yes, good!

Regards
GTI
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Re: [GNC] Change text color

[GT-I9070 H]

Em qui, 2 de ago de 2018 às 23:11, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> escreveu:

> I didn’t notice a distinction (yet), but my guess is ‘:hover’ ‘:focus’ or
> ':selected' will get you somewhere. The main selector is as reported by you
> previously to be ’notebook tab’ and then ’notebook tab label’.
>

Well . . .

the bad news is,

notebook tab label:hover
notebook tab label:focus
notebook tab label:selected
notebook tab:focus
notebook tab:selected

don't work.

The good news is,

notebook tab

combined with

notebook tab:hover

is an upgrade and works beautifully!

Now, when you dig into gtkInspector try to find the selectors for the
bottom summary bar, she is a virgin so far . . . : )

Regards
GTI
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Re: [GNC] Compile of 3.2 fails

[David Cousens]

Michael,

I think Steve is on the right track. You normally don't want to install
into the build directory itself as it contains the build instructions
and these then cannot be reused.

If you do want to install under your home directory $HOME/.local works
OK. If you have never installed from the software manager there should
be nothing in /usr/local and that is OK if you wish to install for all
users on the system. Use 

whereis gnucash

to locate any previous installs and remove them. There are instructions
for removing any previous installs in the Wiki for various installation
methods.
It is also a good idea to remove any contents of the build directory
from previous build attempts. To do this cd into the build-32 directory
 in a shell, then type rm -rf *
and run cmake again.

Then try

cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$HOME/.local -DWITH_AQBANKING=OFF
$HOME/Downloads/Applications/gnucash-3.2

from the build-32 directory. This uses absolute addressing rather than
relative addressing although the relative addressing you had looks fine
for build-32 under $HOME and the sources in
$HOME/Downloads/Applications.

The output from cmake for a successful configuration of the build will
look like:

david@Mintie:~/Applications/gnucash-3.2/build$ cmake
-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/local -DWITH_PYTHON=ON ../
-- Using guile-2.0.x
-- Using guile SRFI-64
-- Checking for module 'gwengui-gtk3'
--   No package 'gwengui-gtk3' found
-- Checking for GTEST
-- Checking for GMOCK
-- Performing Test have_mod_mask
-- Performing Test have_mod_mask - Success
-- Configuring done
-- Generating done
-- Build files have been written to: /home/david/Applications/gnucash-
3.2/build

My directory configuration is different from yours which is why the
cmake command is different but the output should be the same,  i.e.my
directories are:
$HOME/Applications/gnucash-3.2 source directory
$HOME/Applications/gnucash-3.2/build   build directory
/usr/local install directory

(My reasons for using that structure is I like to stay up to date with
OS upgrades which means I have to reinstall a lot of software so I tend
to keep all software I build and install in the Applications under my
home directory which I restore from a backup after an upgrade. I prefer
the build directory under the sources as it keeps it clear which build
directories belong to which sources and makes uninstallation easy. I
don't keep it under Downloads because I tend to clear that regularly as
it build up when I try stuff out and it is easier if I know I don't
have to retain anything in it.  Just personal preferences)

and the make run is in the attached file make.txt

Cheers

David

On Fri, 2018-08-03 at 11:12 -0700, Michael wrote:
> david@Mintie:~/Applications/gnucash-3.2/build$ make
[  0%] Built target guile-json
[  0%] Built target guile-json-details
[  1%] Built target gwengui-gtk3
[  8%] Built target po-gmo
[ 20%] Built target po-gmo-build
[ 20%] Built target gnc-module
[ 20%] Built target gnc-vcs-info
[ 20%] Built target swig-runtime-h
Scanning dependencies of target gnc-core-utils
[ 20%] Building C object 
libgnucash/core-utils/CMakeFiles/gnc-core-utils.dir/gnc-prefs.c.o
[ 20%] Linking CXX shared library ../../lib/libgnc-core-utils.so
[ 21%] Built target gnc-core-utils
[ 21%] Built target iso-4217-c
[ 21%] Linking CXX shared library ../../lib/gnucash/libgncmod-engine.so
[ 30%] Built target gncmod-engine
[ 30%] Built target test-core
[ 30%] Linking C shared library ../../lib/gnucash/libtest-core-guile.so
[ 30%] Built target test-core-guile
[ 30%] Generating ../../lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/unittest-support.go
wrote 
`/home/david/Applications/gnucash-3.2/build/lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/unittest-support.go'
[ 30%] Built target scm-test-core
[ 31%] Linking C shared module ../../lib/gnucash/_unittest_support.so
[ 31%] Built target unittest_support
[ 31%] Built target sw-app-utils-py
[ 31%] Linking C shared library ../../lib/gnucash/libgncmod-app-utils.so
[ 34%] Built target gncmod-app-utils
[ 34%] Linking C shared module ../../lib/gnucash/_sw_app_utils.so
[ 34%] Built target sw_app_utils
[ 34%] Built target scm-gnc-module
[ 34%] Generating ../../lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/core-utils.go
wrote 
`/home/david/Applications/gnucash-3.2/build/lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/core-utils.go'
[ 34%] Built target scm-core-utils
[ 34%] Built target scm-scm
[ 34%] Generating ../../lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/gettext.go
wrote 
`/home/david/Applications/gnucash-3.2/build/lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/gettext.go'
[ 34%] Built target scm-gettext
[ 34%] Linking CXX shared library ../../../lib/libgnc-backend-xml-utils.so
CMakeFiles/gnc-backend-xml-utils.dir/gnc-xml-backend.cpp.o: In function 
`GncXmlBackend::write_to_file(bool)':
gnc-xml-backend.cpp:(.text+0x11e6): warning: the use of `mktemp' is dangerous, 
better use `mkstemp' or `mkdtemp'
[ 37%] Built target gnc-backend-xml-utils
[ 37%] Linking CXX shared module 

Re: [GNC] Quote seems to have stopped working

[Chen Thomas]

Yes, I have the same problem, and I posted this issue on 7/31, looks like some 
had the same issue.
I think AlphaVantage has been having some problem since 7/30. It ever worked 2 
days ago, but not right now.

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user  On 
Behalf Of Megagrumpy
Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 2:31 PM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: [GNC] Quote seems to have stopped working

I have been unable to retrieve quotes since July 31st. It did not work 
perfectly since the change away from Yahoo and there was usually a few quotes 
that were not retrieved but by running it regularly I was able to keep most 
stocks up to date. It always completed and came back with a message saying what 
had not been retrieved even though it took a few minutes. Now I get the Perl 
window and the rotating pointer but then nothing. I have left it running for 
more than 15 minutes and there is no change.

I am using GnuCash 2.6.18 



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Re: [GNC] Compile of 3.2 fails

[Michael via gnucash-user]

Geert, You may be right.  Over a few years, I have built or installed 
several 2.6.x versions, including 2.6.21 which is still on the machine.  
It may be that I am looking at a clean install. I don't know how I would 
get rid of all the old installs and associated files.  A more complete 
log file is attached.  Mike



On 08/03/2018 06:50 AM, Geert Janssens wrote:

Op vrijdag 3 augustus 2018 01:15:31 CEST schreef Michael via gnucash-user:

I am trying to build gnucash-3.2 on Linux Mint just upgraded to 19.
cmake was successful.  make fails at about 30%.  Generating
../../lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/core-utils.go.  recipe for
target failed.

I thought I had it made when cmake worked.  Any ideas?  Mike

Unfortunately you have only included the very last line of the build error.
The more useful details are in the lines above.

My first guess would be that you still have gnucash 2.6.x installed on your
system. During build gnucash will try to link against other built files.
However if these files are also present from an installed gnucash it looks
like these are found first. And in this case that could fail.

Can you uninstall gnucash 2.6.x and restart the build ?

Geert




[  0%] Built target guile-json
[  0%] Built target guile-json-details
[  5%] Built target po-gmo
[ 17%] Built target po-gmo-build
[ 17%] Built target gnc-module
[ 17%] Built target gnc-vcs-info
[ 17%] Built target swig-runtime-h
[ 18%] Built target gnc-core-utils
[ 18%] Built target iso-4217-c
[ 25%] Built target gncmod-engine
[ 25%] Built target test-core
[ 25%] Built target test-core-guile
[ 25%] Built target scm-test-core
[ 25%] Built target gtest
[ 27%] Built target gmock
[ 30%] Built target gncmod-app-utils
[ 30%] Built target scm-gettext
[ 30%] Built target scm-gnc-module
[ 30%] Generating ../../lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/core-utils.go
Backtrace:
In srfi/srfi-1.scm:
 616: 19 [for-each # #]
In scripts/compile.scm:
 190: 18 [# 
"/home/michaelj/Downloads/Applications/gnucash-3.2/libgnucash/core-utils/core-utils.scm"]
In system/base/target.scm:
  59: 17 [with-target "x86_64-pc-linux-gnu" ...]
In system/base/compile.scm:
 152: 16 [compile-file 
"/home/michaelj/Downloads/Applications/gnucash-3.2/libgnucash/core-utils/core-utils.scm"
 ...]
  43: 15 [call-once #]
In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
 174: 14 [with-throw-handler #t ...]
In system/base/compile.scm:
  59: 13 [#]
 155: 12 [# 
#]
 218: 11 [read-and-compile # #:from ...]
 234: 10 [lp (# # # # ...) # #]
 182: 9 [lp # # # ...]
In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
2404: 8 [save-module-excursion #]
In language/scheme/compile-tree-il.scm:
  31: 7 [#]
In ice-9/psyntax.scm:
1106: 6 [expand-top-sequence ((re-export gnc-build-userdata-path)) () ...]
 989: 5 [scan ((re-export gnc-build-userdata-path)) () ...]
 279: 4 [scan ((# #)) () (()) ...]
In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
2097: 3 [call-with-deferred-observers #]
 771: 2 [for-each # 
#]
In unknown file:
   ?: 1 [scm-error misc-error #f ...]
In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
 109: 0 [# 
misc-error ...]

ice-9/boot-9.scm:109:20: In procedure #:
ice-9/boot-9.scm:109:20: Undefined variable: gnc-build-userdata-path
libgnucash/core-utils/CMakeFiles/scm-core-utils.dir/build.make:61: recipe for 
target 'lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/core-utils.go' failed
make[2]: *** [lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/core-utils.go] Error 1
CMakeFiles/Makefile2:3901: recipe for target 
'libgnucash/core-utils/CMakeFiles/scm-core-utils.dir/all' failed
make[1]: *** [libgnucash/core-utils/CMakeFiles/scm-core-utils.dir/all] Error 2
Makefile:162: recipe for target 'all' failed
make: *** [all] Error 2
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Re: [GNC] Compile of 3.2 fails

[Michael via gnucash-user]

Thanks Steve,  I'll try the setup you used.  I was able to build 2.6.21 
with my approach, but it doesn't use cmake.


I did notice the line with ice-9/boot... and the undefined variable, but 
had no idea what it was about.  Apparently it is common with scheme.


The path where the other .go files have been put is 
$HOME/build-32/lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash so it seems there is a 
valid place to put the core-utils.go file, but i'm really not sure.


I see how you did the build and will give it a try.  Mike


On 08/03/2018 11:41 AM, Stephen M. Butler wrote:


On 08/03/2018 11:12 AM, Michael via gnucash-user wrote:

Thanks for the reply David,

I am building in ~/build-32.  Extracted tar file is in
~/Downloads/Applications/gnucash-3.2.

Command (from build-32) is 'cmake
-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$HOME/build-32 -DWITH_AQBANKING=OFF
../Downloads/Applications/gnucash-3.2'. Then make (with '>& log.txt'
added).



Is this where you want the final installation to live?  I let mine
default to the usual system folders.  I also wonder if you want the
final install in the same folder to which cmake does the compile (which
would be the current working directory which you identified as
$HOME/build-32.

Based on the log it is having trouble with -- [ 30%] Generating
../../lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/core-utils.go
There is this interesting line -- ice-9/boot-9.scm:109:20: Undefined
variable: gnc-build-userdata-path

So if you go up two levels from $HOME/build-32 should take you to the
/home folder.  Do you have a lib directory there?

I have mine in a different folder ($HOME/Projects/GnuCash/gnucash-3.2
and I made a folder $HOME/Projects/GnuCash/mybuild
and then did these commands:

cd mybuild
cmake ../gnucash-3.2
make
sudo make install


So, I think it wants you to have an empty folder at the same level as 
$HOME/Downloads/Applications/gnucash-32 (say 
$HOME/Downloads/Applications/Build-GC-3.2) and be sitting in that folder when 
you issue 'cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$HOME/build-32 -DWITH_AQBANKING=OFF 
../gnucash-3.2'
Then staying there issue the 'make >& log.txt'
then 'make install'
(sudo not needed as you are doing it in your own work space).

--Steve




Output of log.txt is attached.

I have built on a similar machine, so I believe you are right that
something in the over dependencies is wrong although I followed the
same instructions from the wiki.  Mike


On 08/03/2018 04:47 AM, David Cousens wrote:

Mike,

It may be possible that there is a dependency that cmake doesn't check
for that may be missing. There would normally be an error message in
the output somewhere just before the "recipe for target failed"
message. If when you run make you use
make >& log.txt
you can dump the make output to a logfile and search it with the text
editor (xed). The other alternative is to edit the preferences for the
terminal and make sure the limit scrolllback checkbox is not set. You
can copy terminal output by selecting it, right click and copy or use
CTRL-Shift-C.

If you can post the make output either directly (if not too long) or
use a pastebin if it is very long, we should be able to help sort the
problem. If you are using Nabble you can attach files or attach then to
the email.

It would also help if you post the commands you used to setup the build
directory and the cmake command you used as the cmake command syntax is
very sensitive to the relative positioning of the source and build
directories.

David Cousens


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Re: [GNC] Compile of 3.2 fails

[Stephen M. Butler]

On 08/03/2018 11:12 AM, Michael via gnucash-user wrote:
> Thanks for the reply David,
>
> I am building in ~/build-32.  Extracted tar file is in
> ~/Downloads/Applications/gnucash-3.2.
>
> Command (from build-32) is 'cmake
> -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$HOME/build-32 -DWITH_AQBANKING=OFF
> ../Downloads/Applications/gnucash-3.2'. Then make (with '>& log.txt'
> added).
>


Is this where you want the final installation to live?  I let mine
default to the usual system folders.  I also wonder if you want the
final install in the same folder to which cmake does the compile (which
would be the current working directory which you identified as
$HOME/build-32.

Based on the log it is having trouble with -- [ 30%] Generating
../../lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/core-utils.go
There is this interesting line -- ice-9/boot-9.scm:109:20: Undefined
variable: gnc-build-userdata-path

So if you go up two levels from $HOME/build-32 should take you to the
/home folder.  Do you have a lib directory there?

I have mine in a different folder ($HOME/Projects/GnuCash/gnucash-3.2
and I made a folder $HOME/Projects/GnuCash/mybuild
and then did these commands:

cd mybuild
cmake ../gnucash-3.2
make
sudo make install


So, I think it wants you to have an empty folder at the same level as 
$HOME/Downloads/Applications/gnucash-32 (say 
$HOME/Downloads/Applications/Build-GC-3.2) and be sitting in that folder when 
you issue 'cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$HOME/build-32 -DWITH_AQBANKING=OFF 
../gnucash-3.2'
Then staying there issue the 'make >& log.txt'
then 'make install'
(sudo not needed as you are doing it in your own work space).

--Steve



> Output of log.txt is attached.
>
> I have built on a similar machine, so I believe you are right that
> something in the over dependencies is wrong although I followed the
> same instructions from the wiki.  Mike
>
>
> On 08/03/2018 04:47 AM, David Cousens wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>> It may be possible that there is a dependency that cmake doesn't check
>> for that may be missing. There would normally be an error message in
>> the output somewhere just before the "recipe for target failed"
>> message. If when you run make you use
>> make >& log.txt
>> you can dump the make output to a logfile and search it with the text
>> editor (xed). The other alternative is to edit the preferences for the
>> terminal and make sure the limit scrolllback checkbox is not set. You
>> can copy terminal output by selecting it, right click and copy or use
>> CTRL-Shift-C.
>>
>> If you can post the make output either directly (if not too long) or
>> use a pastebin if it is very long, we should be able to help sort the
>> problem. If you are using Nabble you can attach files or attach then to
>> the email.
>>
>> It would also help if you post the commands you used to setup the build
>> directory and the cmake command you used as the cmake command syntax is
>> very sensitive to the relative positioning of the source and build
>> directories.
>>
>> David Cousens

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Re: [GNC] Compile of 3.2 fails

[Michael via gnucash-user]

Thanks for the reply David,

I am building in ~/build-32.  Extracted tar file is in 
~/Downloads/Applications/gnucash-3.2.


Command (from build-32) is 'cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$HOME/build-32 
-DWITH_AQBANKING=OFF ../Downloads/Applications/gnucash-3.2'. Then make 
(with '>& log.txt' added).


Output of log.txt is attached.

I have built on a similar machine, so I believe you are right that 
something in the over dependencies is wrong although I followed the same 
instructions from the wiki.  Mike



On 08/03/2018 04:47 AM, David Cousens wrote:

Mike,

It may be possible that there is a dependency that cmake doesn't check
for that may be missing. There would normally be an error message in
the output somewhere just before the "recipe for target failed"
message. If when you run make you use
make >& log.txt
you can dump the make output to a logfile and search it with the text
editor (xed). The other alternative is to edit the preferences for the
terminal and make sure the limit scrolllback checkbox is not set. You
can copy terminal output by selecting it, right click and copy or use
CTRL-Shift-C.

If you can post the make output either directly (if not too long) or
use a pastebin if it is very long, we should be able to help sort the
problem. If you are using Nabble you can attach files or attach then to
the email.

It would also help if you post the commands you used to setup the build
directory and the cmake command you used as the cmake command syntax is
very sensitive to the relative positioning of the source and build
directories.

David Cousens




[  0%] Built target guile-json
[  0%] Built target guile-json-details
[  5%] Built target po-gmo
[ 17%] Built target po-gmo-build
[ 17%] Built target gnc-module
[ 17%] Built target gnc-vcs-info
[ 17%] Built target swig-runtime-h
[ 18%] Built target gnc-core-utils
[ 18%] Built target iso-4217-c
[ 25%] Built target gncmod-engine
[ 25%] Built target test-core
[ 25%] Built target test-core-guile
[ 25%] Built target scm-test-core
[ 25%] Built target gtest
[ 27%] Built target gmock
[ 30%] Built target gncmod-app-utils
[ 30%] Built target scm-gettext
[ 30%] Built target scm-gnc-module
[ 30%] Generating ../../lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/core-utils.go
Backtrace:
In srfi/srfi-1.scm:
 616: 19 [for-each # #]
In scripts/compile.scm:
 190: 18 [# 
"/home/michaelj/Downloads/Applications/gnucash-3.2/libgnucash/core-utils/core-utils.scm"]
In system/base/target.scm:
  59: 17 [with-target "x86_64-pc-linux-gnu" ...]
In system/base/compile.scm:
 152: 16 [compile-file 
"/home/michaelj/Downloads/Applications/gnucash-3.2/libgnucash/core-utils/core-utils.scm"
 ...]
  43: 15 [call-once #]
In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
 174: 14 [with-throw-handler #t ...]
In system/base/compile.scm:
  59: 13 [#]
 155: 12 [# 
#]
 218: 11 [read-and-compile # #:from ...]
 234: 10 [lp (# # # # ...) # #]
 182: 9 [lp # # # ...]
In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
2404: 8 [save-module-excursion #]
In language/scheme/compile-tree-il.scm:
  31: 7 [#]
In ice-9/psyntax.scm:
1106: 6 [expand-top-sequence ((re-export gnc-build-userdata-path)) () ...]
 989: 5 [scan ((re-export gnc-build-userdata-path)) () ...]
 279: 4 [scan ((# #)) () (()) ...]
In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
2097: 3 [call-with-deferred-observers #]
 771: 2 [for-each # 
#]
In unknown file:
   ?: 1 [scm-error misc-error #f ...]
In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
 109: 0 [# 
misc-error ...]

ice-9/boot-9.scm:109:20: In procedure #:
ice-9/boot-9.scm:109:20: Undefined variable: gnc-build-userdata-path
libgnucash/core-utils/CMakeFiles/scm-core-utils.dir/build.make:61: recipe for 
target 'lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/core-utils.go' failed
make[2]: *** [lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/core-utils.go] Error 1
CMakeFiles/Makefile2:3901: recipe for target 
'libgnucash/core-utils/CMakeFiles/scm-core-utils.dir/all' failed
make[1]: *** [libgnucash/core-utils/CMakeFiles/scm-core-utils.dir/all] Error 2
Makefile:162: recipe for target 'all' failed
make: *** [all] Error 2
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[GNC] Translators

[varda241 via gnucash-user]

I speak, read and write Hebrew, but. I am not a programmer. I can translate 
user guides and like.Varda



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Re: [GNC] How to get help?

[Adrien Monteleone]

You’re correct. I was distracted while reading.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Aug 3, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
> 
> Adrien,
> I might be wrong, but I thought he said the .png files were not
> showing.  That would be a Windows setting so it knows what app to use to
> display them.
> I think he needs this link: 
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-files-winpc/windows-10-will-not-open-png-files-or-let-me-save/ff1c2ff8-c470-4600-8779-a56a2dc382ff
> --Steve (a different one)
> 
> On 08/03/2018 07:23 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>> Steve,
>> 
>> You can view online, or download a copy of both the Help Guide and the 
>> Tutorial and Concepts Guide from the GnuCash.org website. (see Documentation 
>> link on the left) There is also a wiki for the app (also linked on the left 
>> on the main GnuCash.org page) with tons of info.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 10:12 PM, Steve Rollison  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The online help file says "The primary source of use support is the user
>>> mailing list" - which is the link I clicked on to send this e-mail message.
>>> If this is not correct, can you please tell me how to get help? I've
>>> searched everywhere I could try to get an online answer-even a general
>>> Google search-all to avail. GnuCash looks like an incredible program but I'm
>>> lost at step one since I can't use the built-in help file.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> None of the "GnuCash Tutorial and Concepts Guide" graphics (.png files)
>>> display on my computer.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here are the details on my PC (although I don't really know what you might
>>> need to answer my question).
>>> 
>>> . GnuCash 3.2 just installed
>>> 
>>> . ASUS laptop (advertised as a gaming machine, though I don't play
>>> games)
>>> 
>>> . Windows 10 Home ver 1083, build 71734.165
>>> 
>>> . Intel Core i7 processor
>>> 
>>> . 16GB RAM
>>> 
>>> . Running 1920 x 1080 resolution
>>> 
>>> . NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti video card
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much for any help/direction you might be able to provide.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Steve Rollison
>>> 
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Re: [GNC] Strange Mac OS interface problem (John Ralls)

[V. Vatsal via gnucash-user]

I have tried toggling the Mac OS level tabs as instructed by Dave, but it 
doesn’t make any difference.

The weird mouse behaviour seems limited to certain windows only.

I have no problems navigating the main GnuCash account window or any of its 
tabs; clicking on a line selects that line.

But if I try (say) to import an OFX, then the weird behaviour comes up. It also 
comes up in the file opening dialog box.

I don’t recall having this problem on my machine at home, which is where I had 
been using GnuCash for a while, on the same file. I will try that machine again 
this weekend, and see if it works.



> On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:12 PM, Dave H  wrote:
> 
> Check System Preferences >> Dock >> Prefer Tabs when opening documents - set 
> to "Manually" ?  Mine tabs setting is set to "In Full Screen Only".  I can't 
> say I've noticed the problem running GnuCash 3.2 on High Sierra on a 27" iMac 
> or 15" MacBook Pro.
> 
> Cheers Dave H. 
> 
> On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 at 07:21, V. Vatsal via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> Thanks.
> 
> Where do I turn off MacOS-level tabs? I am running GnuCash with default 
> settings.
> 
> Nike
> 
> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 18:15:22 -0700
>> From: John Ralls 
>> To: Adrien Monteleone 
>> Cc: Gnucash Users 
>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Strange Mac OS interface problem
>> Message-ID: <6b6aecad-1b44-498a-bbeb-30dd37e77...@ceridwen.us>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
>> Adrien,
>> It?s https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776602 
>>  and the most recent 
>> discussion there says it?s related to 
>> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/1029 
>> , that the new-in-Sierra 
>> application window tab feature messes up Gtk?s understanding of mouse 
>> coordinates.
>> Nike,
>> Are you using MacOS-level tabs? If so, turn them off.
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] How to get help?

[Stephen M. Butler]

Adrien,
I might be wrong, but I thought he said the .png files were not
showing.  That would be a Windows setting so it knows what app to use to
display them.
I think he needs this link: 
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-files-winpc/windows-10-will-not-open-png-files-or-let-me-save/ff1c2ff8-c470-4600-8779-a56a2dc382ff
--Steve (a different one)

On 08/03/2018 07:23 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> Steve,
>
> You can view online, or download a copy of both the Help Guide and the 
> Tutorial and Concepts Guide from the GnuCash.org website. (see Documentation 
> link on the left) There is also a wiki for the app (also linked on the left 
> on the main GnuCash.org page) with tons of info.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 10:12 PM, Steve Rollison  wrote:
>>
>> The online help file says "The primary source of use support is the user
>> mailing list" - which is the link I clicked on to send this e-mail message.
>> If this is not correct, can you please tell me how to get help? I've
>> searched everywhere I could try to get an online answer-even a general
>> Google search-all to avail. GnuCash looks like an incredible program but I'm
>> lost at step one since I can't use the built-in help file.
>>
>>
>>
>> None of the "GnuCash Tutorial and Concepts Guide" graphics (.png files)
>> display on my computer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are the details on my PC (although I don't really know what you might
>> need to answer my question).
>>
>> . GnuCash 3.2 just installed
>>
>> . ASUS laptop (advertised as a gaming machine, though I don't play
>> games)
>>
>> . Windows 10 Home ver 1083, build 71734.165
>>
>> . Intel Core i7 processor
>>
>> . 16GB RAM
>>
>> . Running 1920 x 1080 resolution
>>
>> . NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti video card
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you so much for any help/direction you might be able to provide.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Rollison
>>
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Re: [GNC] Hangs on startup

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On 08/03/2018 07:18 AM, Finbar Mahon wrote:
> I don't have a P+L for 1/1/192020!!
>
> Hangs at this point, most times, sometimes loads the current operations.
>
> Ideas?

First I would verify you really want to be that far in the future! (I
suspect just a typo here).

But, even for 1/1/2020 might be a problem.  I've not tried going out
past the end of the current year.

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Re: [GNC] How to get help?

[Stephen M. Butler]

On 08/03/2018 03:56 AM, Liz wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 23:12:54 -0400
> "Steve Rollison"  wrote:
>
>> The online help file says "The primary source of use support is the
>> user mailing list" - which is the link I clicked on to send this
>> e-mail message. If this is not correct, can you please tell me how to
>> get help? I've searched everywhere I could try to get an online
>> answer-even a general Google search-all to avail. GnuCash looks like
>> an incredible program but I'm lost at step one since I can't use the
>> built-in help file.
>>
>>  
>>
>> None of the "GnuCash Tutorial and Concepts Guide" graphics (.png
>> files) display on my computer.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here are the details on my PC (although I don't really know what you
>> might need to answer my question).
>>
>> . GnuCash 3.2 just installed
>>
>> . ASUS laptop (advertised as a gaming machine, though I don't
>> play games)
>>
>> . Windows 10 Home ver 1083, build 71734.165
>>
>> . Intel Core i7 processor
>>
>> . 16GB RAM
>>
>> . Running 1920 x 1080 resolution
>>
>> . NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti video card
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thank you so much for any help/direction you might be able to provide.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Steve Rollison
>>
> Yes this is the place.
> I suggest you submit one question per email, and subscribe to the list
> so you don't wait for your messages to get through.
>
> Liz
And for the .png files not displaying on Windows (sorry, I run a Linux
box), a google search brought up this link:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-files-winpc/windows-10-will-not-open-png-files-or-let-me-save/ff1c2ff8-c470-4600-8779-a56a2dc382ff

Welcome to the group. 

--Steve

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Re: [GNC] When changing to different version of GNUcash what should be done with data base or files?

[aeneas]

Thanks!  Especially good to get the alert about issues with GnuCashPortable.

Based on information provided by the PortableApps website  regarding GnuCash
   there are some known
issues.  This includes some unintended consequences when running
GnuCashPortable on a system that has GnuCash installed (locally) on it.  It
seems that there are a few things that GnuCash can do which involve a need
for registry entries which can be confused when multiple instances of
GnuCash are operated on the same system.  This is good to know about but it
looks like they pertain to features that I don't use.  However, I will make
a point of removing the locally installed version once I'm confident about
having made a successful transition.

It does seem like there is a good chance that a lot, if not most, of the
people using GnuCashPortable have installed a local copy on some computer. 
Therefore, this could present a fairly widespread problem for users of
GnuCashPortable. 



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[GNC] Hangs on startup

[Finbar Mahon]

I don't have a P+L for 1/1/192020!!

Hangs at this point, most times, sometimes loads the current operations.

Ideas?

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Re: [GNC] Change text color

[Adrien Monteleone]

I’ll be adding others later, I just put that up quickly to get the sections 
started.

I also want to organize that long list of properties better. Maybe after some 
testing, they can be paired with the selectors they work for.

Something else I thought that might be useful is a collection of links to user 
css files that specifically tweak Adwaita, Adwaita Dark, et cetera. I’m 
thinking of something like a ’skin’ css file with lots of changes already 
included. (though easy for anyone to further tweak and customize but with all 
the selectors and properties worked out and already included) I’m not sure 
where these files should reside. Perhaps along with the sample files on Github 
or maybe a section of the gnucash.org website.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 11:34 PM, GT-I9070 H  wrote:
> 
> Em qui, 2 de ago de 2018 às 23:22, Adrien Monteleone 
>  escreveu:
> I added two sections to the Gtk3 wiki page:
> 
> This is also important:
> 
> #account_tree:selected 
> 
> regards
> GTI


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Re: [GNC] Hebrew

[John Ralls]

> On Aug 1, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Varda Rotenberg  wrote:
> 
> I speat fluent Hebrew, but I am not a programer. What kind of translation
> do you need? I can translate user guides if needed.

No programming required. Updating the user interface translation just requires 
editing the hebrew message catalog file and fixing or adding translations. See 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation 
 to get started.

Translating the Tutorial and Concept Guide and Online Help is a bit more 
difficult. Still no programming, but you’ll be writing a new version of each 
one so you’ll need to spend some time learning Docbook4 XML markup. There’s 
information about that as well in the wiki translation page.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] When changing to different version of GNUcash what should be done with data base or files?

[John Ralls]

> On Aug 1, 2018, at 2:20 PM, aeneas  wrote:
> 
> Well now, I'm glad I asked.  The referenced links do provide useful details
> that I didn't know and that does look useful.
> 
> I probably should have included a few more facts which follow:
> - OS:  Windows 7
> - GNUcash Version:  2.6.15 (I believe for more than a year)
> - Data format:  File (SQLite)
> It looks like the current version is 3.2 and apparently the last of version
> 2 was 2.6.21.
> 
> I've decided that using the PortableApps version of GNUcash has some appeal. 
> One factor is that it is pretty easy to setup a new jump drive when it comes
> time to migrate.  This allows easy path to a new release that has no affect
> on current operational version.  Also, based on information learned from the
> referenced links (above) it looks like the PortableApps version has done a
> very nice job of locating all of the applicable data within the folder
> structure used for GNUcash Portable.  I was able to copy my SQLite DB file
> to what looks to be the GNUcash preferred location and open it without any
> problem.
> 
> That's all been real nice.  However, my question comes from the fact that I
> have enough experience in data processing to know that the kind of issues
> I'm concerned about don't necessarily reveal themselves instantly. 
> Furthermore, with this type of application it doesn't take very long to
> become very invested in the new version and the idea of going back to the
> prior release becomes a major problem to do correctly.  Thankfully the prior
> version, in this case, is sitting there completely undisturbed because of
> using portable GNUcash.
> 
> Therefore, I'm thinking there may be some merit to following a particular
> path when undertaking a migration such as this.  For example, what about the
> following ideas:
> - Is there any merit to the idea of making a conversion to Version 2.6.21
> prior to converting to 3.2?
> - Is there any merit to choosing a different data format, such as XML, to be
> used for migration purposes?
> Sorry to be a bother but this does seem to me to be a subject that everybody
> using GNUcash ought to be concerned about.
> 

There’s no advantage to upgrading to 2.6.21 before upgrading to 3.2.

It’s also unlikely that using XML instead of SQLite3 would make a difference, 
but in that case there’s no harm in doing a save-as to XML for safety.

That aside, you should be aware that with 3.x GnuCash has changed the location 
of some of its configuration and auxiliary files to match each supported 
operating system’s conventions. Another user has reported that Portable hasn’t 
made the corresponding adjustments and so 3.x is apparently somewhat broken 
with Portable. You might search the mailing list archives for details.

Regards,
John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] How to get help?

[Adrien Monteleone]

Steve,

You can view online, or download a copy of both the Help Guide and the Tutorial 
and Concepts Guide from the GnuCash.org website. (see Documentation link on the 
left) There is also a wiki for the app (also linked on the left on the main 
GnuCash.org page) with tons of info.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 10:12 PM, Steve Rollison  wrote:
> 
> The online help file says "The primary source of use support is the user
> mailing list" - which is the link I clicked on to send this e-mail message.
> If this is not correct, can you please tell me how to get help? I've
> searched everywhere I could try to get an online answer-even a general
> Google search-all to avail. GnuCash looks like an incredible program but I'm
> lost at step one since I can't use the built-in help file.
> 
> 
> 
> None of the "GnuCash Tutorial and Concepts Guide" graphics (.png files)
> display on my computer.
> 
> 
> 
> Here are the details on my PC (although I don't really know what you might
> need to answer my question).
> 
> . GnuCash 3.2 just installed
> 
> . ASUS laptop (advertised as a gaming machine, though I don't play
> games)
> 
> . Windows 10 Home ver 1083, build 71734.165
> 
> . Intel Core i7 processor
> 
> . 16GB RAM
> 
> . Running 1920 x 1080 resolution
> 
> . NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti video card
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you so much for any help/direction you might be able to provide.
> 
> 
> 
> Steve Rollison
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Re: [GNC] Imbalance bug in credit note generation?

[Adrien Monteleone]

No, you cannot delete invoices/bills/credit notes.

Simply edit them, remove all lines and info in them that you can, and perhaps 
change their number to ‘use next’ so they’ll stand out next time you need one.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:40 AM, GnuCashAtSRQ  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Geert, for acknowledging this and do have a good holiday.
> 
> I have the same problem (Gnucash 3.2 on Windows 10, using Sqlite3) but one
> other that may be related.  When the credit note I created for $279 had the
> backwards result I thought I'd entered something wrong so I unposted the
> Credit Note, deleted the old transaction, entered a new transaction with a
> $0 value and re-posted the same Credit Note.  But then the Customer Report
> showed TWO Credit Notes -- one for $279 and one for $0.  Again, then I had 3
> Credit Notes.  I went to Accounts Receivable and found entries for all
> three.  Gnucash let me delete 1 of the transactions from the Accounts
> Receivable Register, but trying to delete either of the other 2 gave me an
> error saying the transaction was from and invoice and to delete the invoice
> first.
> 
> Then the Customer Report showed me the 2 credit notes, $279, and $0.  I
> clicked the link to the $279 credit note and what displayed was a credit
> note with the transaction being $0, not $279.
> 
> [AN ASIDE, and a complaint (suggestion ):  There seems no way to delete an
> invoice, which is a problem if one makes a mistake and there should really
> not be any invoice at all.]
> 
> This is of some urgency for us so can you estimate when 3.3 might be
> available?
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Compile of 3.2 fails

[Geert Janssens]

Op vrijdag 3 augustus 2018 01:15:31 CEST schreef Michael via gnucash-user:
> I am trying to build gnucash-3.2 on Linux Mint just upgraded to 19. 
> cmake was successful.  make fails at about 30%.  Generating
> ../../lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/core-utils.go.  recipe for
> target failed.
> 
> I thought I had it made when cmake worked.  Any ideas?  Mike

Unfortunately you have only included the very last line of the build error. 
The more useful details are in the lines above.

My first guess would be that you still have gnucash 2.6.x installed on your 
system. During build gnucash will try to link against other built files. 
However if these files are also present from an installed gnucash it looks 
like these are found first. And in this case that could fail.

Can you uninstall gnucash 2.6.x and restart the build ?

Geert


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Re: [GNC] survey: unifying the appearance in different options dialogs

[Geert Janssens]

Op donderdag 2 augustus 2018 22:21:57 CEST schreef Di Mang:
> 2018-08-01 13:58 GMT+02:00 Adrien Monteleone  > > On Aug 1, 2018, at 4:57 AM, Geert Janssens 
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > Op dinsdag 31 juli 2018 00:51:54 CEST schreef Di Mang:
> > >> Hello Geert and Adrien,
> > >> 
> > >> I agree it is a good idea to revise the report options and possibly
> > >> summarize to reduce the number of tabs.
> > >> There are currently
> > >> some reports that have tabs with only a few settings.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> But in my opinion it would not be a good solution to move away
> > 
> > completely
> > 
> > >> from tabs for *all* option dialogs.
> > >> For option dialogs with only a few reports it will take up too much
> > 
> > space
> > 
> > >> on the window.
> > > 
> > > This doesn't make sense to me. If we move to "tabs" on the left for at
> > 
> > least
> > 
> > > one option window, we need to dimension the window anyway that it will
> > 
> > fit on
> > 
> > > the smallest screen we wish to support. How would this minimal dimension
> > 
> > be
> > 
> > > affected by the number of "tabs" in that area ? (I'm quoting "tabs"
> > 
> > because
> > 
> > > it's not the exact term for the exact widget I had in mind, more on that
> > > below).
> > > 
> > > Having a consistent way to represent options throughout the application
> > 
> > is
> > 
> > > more important to me.
> > 
> > I agree. Options shouldn’t switch to one or the other based on their
> > quantity. All of these dialogs should be consistent. And if it can work
> > once...
> > 
> > >> I think we
> > >> have to
> > >> distinguish between different
> > >> option
> > >> dialogs / windows:
> > >> 
> > >> *
> > 
> > main window:
> > an exception, because of dynamic tabs (with a scroll bar if
> > 
> > >> necessary)
> > > 
> > > Indeed, although a scroll bar for tabs is a bit awkward.
> > > 
> > >> *
> > >> windows with main preferences: currently with
> > 
> > tabs on the left side (like
> > 
> > >> in Geany)
> > > 
> > > I suppose you mean “many" preferences.
> > 
> > Perhaps the
> > ‘main’ app preferences, which does use the sidebar list. The Gnome desktop
> > does the same.
> 
> Yes,
> 
> I meant here the "main" app preferences: like "Edit" > "Preferences" in
> GnuCash.
> 
> For more clarity find examples of different dialogs in the appendix.
> 
On that image:
* I now understand with "scroll bars" you mean a way to scroll left or right 
if there are more tabs than fit the window. I took it for a complete scroll 
bar, where you just mean a left and right arrow. So we agree here.

* The lower right image is an assistant as stated earlier, and should not be 
compared with dialogs or windows with tabs/lists. We don't control the visual 
behavior of these. It comes from gtk.

* The two dialogs (one with many and one with few tabs). I still don't see a 
reason to make an exception based on the number of tabs. For me all options 
dialogs should still behave the same and so use the same ui components.


> > > Here's a video of another application implementing this behavior (though
> > 
> > from
> > 
> > > the KDE world):
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H24jdjE5Q6E
> > > 
> > > Clearly this is for gnucash 4.x at best...

> > Interesting. I don’t suppose Gtk+4 has this in the works?

Adrien, I have no idea if Gtk is heading in a similar direction or not.

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] survey: unifying the appearance in different options dialogs

[Geert Janssens]

Op vrijdag 3 augustus 2018 04:18:55 CEST schreef Adrien Monteleone:
> After reading John Ralls’ reply on the wizards (example 4) I agree with him,
> the sidebar list needs to go. Adding numbered steps would help, but the
> better option is to not even list the steps, just walk the user through the
> steps with next <> back buttons. I think this would also adhere better to
> the Gnome HIG concerning removing confusing information presented to the
> user. The user cannot click a later tab and jump there, so don’t present
> them as tabs at all, use a different presentation and guide the user
> through the options in the order you need to guide them.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 

The list of steps is controlled by the GtkAssistant code itself. It's not 
something gnucash can enable or disable. So if you think it should go, 
essentially you're asking for an update in Gtk code.

And I don't agree they should go. An assistant is created when a complex 
process is to be run in smaller steps. The list on the side is a guide to the 
user to learn which steps the whole process will involve and how far in the 
process the user is at any point in the process.

Have you ever bought online ? That's almost always a multi-step process and 
it's almost always accompanied by some visual representation of the steps to 
expect/processed.

Having said that, I also find the way gtk has chosen to represent this makes 
it confusing, because there's almost no visual difference with a side bar 
list. Almost, because if you look closely the selected element is highlighted 
in gray rather than in (on my system default) blue. The gtk designers should 
have imagined something more distinct (like keeping the darker gray background 
as the rest of the inactive dialog and indicating the current step with a 
small arrow, instead of using the lighter background similar to active lists).

Numbering could help a bit although at the same time it may be challenging 
because in some assistants pages are added or removed dynamically depending on 
the results of a previous step. Maybe that's poor design too though.

Geert


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Re: [GNC] Operating Checking Account in Overdraft

[Mike or Penny Novack]

On 8/2/2018 10:15 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

GnuCash lets you create any account you want and put it (pretty much) wherever 
you want.

Contra-Accounts are sometimes desired to be where they are as true 
contra-balanced accounts. Others prefer or need them on the opposite side of 
the equation. I think the user should decide, and not be prompted by the 
software or overridden by the software.

If you would prefer a contra-asset to be a liability, then simply create a 
liability account instead and place it there.

Since the (initial) question was about an account of type asset, I will 
give an example where asset accounts would NORMALLY be "contra". Forget 
"current assets" for a moment and consider "fixed assets". A fixed asset 
would normally have two children under it, "basis" and "accumulated 
depreciation" << yes, the "basis" COULD have additional transactions --- 
thus some "repairs" to a farm tractor considered routine and thus 
current expenses but rarely other major things like an engine rebuild 
might be considered extending the life of the asset and thus capitalized 
over time >>  The accumulated depreciation account would be a contra 
account.


Michael D Novack
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Re: [GNC] Compile of 3.2 fails

[David Cousens]

Mike,

It may be possible that there is a dependency that cmake doesn't check
for that may be missing. There would normally be an error message in
the output somewhere just before the "recipe for target failed"
message. If when you run make you use 
make >& log.txt
you can dump the make output to a logfile and search it with the text
editor (xed). The other alternative is to edit the preferences for the
terminal and make sure the limit scrolllback checkbox is not set. You
can copy terminal output by selecting it, right click and copy or use
CTRL-Shift-C.

If you can post the make output either directly (if not too long) or
use a pastebin if it is very long, we should be able to help sort the
problem. If you are using Nabble you can attach files or attach then to
the email.

It would also help if you post the commands you used to setup the build
directory and the cmake command you used as the cmake command syntax is
very sensitive to the relative positioning of the source and build
directories.

David Cousens


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Re: [GNC] Operating Checking Account in Overdraft

[David Cousens]

Murray,

If you operate the account normally with a positive cash balance with only
an occasional excursion into the red for relatively short periods <<
financial year, I would think it is reasonable to record it as an asset
account. 

If however you intend to operate the account as a perrmanent overdraft where
the account is in the red most of the time for some considerable period
comparable with a financial year (e.g. after paying for
renovation/refurbishment), it is operating as a variable principal loan, and
it would be more appropriate to record it as a liability rather than an
asset.

Either approach is reasonable. If the books are for your own business, then
your accountant will be able to sort out any formal reporting requirements.
If there are no formal reporting requirements then that is fine. 

Your main concern is that any fees associated with using the overdraft
facilty and any interest will possibly by tax deductible depending upon tax
rules in your jurisdiction so you will need to record then as expenses.

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] How to get help?

[Liz]

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 23:12:54 -0400
"Steve Rollison"  wrote:

> The online help file says "The primary source of use support is the
> user mailing list" - which is the link I clicked on to send this
> e-mail message. If this is not correct, can you please tell me how to
> get help? I've searched everywhere I could try to get an online
> answer-even a general Google search-all to avail. GnuCash looks like
> an incredible program but I'm lost at step one since I can't use the
> built-in help file.
> 
>  
> 
> None of the "GnuCash Tutorial and Concepts Guide" graphics (.png
> files) display on my computer.
> 
>  
> 
> Here are the details on my PC (although I don't really know what you
> might need to answer my question).
> 
> . GnuCash 3.2 just installed
> 
> . ASUS laptop (advertised as a gaming machine, though I don't
> play games)
> 
> . Windows 10 Home ver 1083, build 71734.165
> 
> . Intel Core i7 processor
> 
> . 16GB RAM
> 
> . Running 1920 x 1080 resolution
> 
> . NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti video card
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you so much for any help/direction you might be able to provide.
> 
>  
> 
> Steve Rollison
> 

Yes this is the place.
I suggest you submit one question per email, and subscribe to the list
so you don't wait for your messages to get through.

Liz
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[GNC] How to get help?

[Steve Rollison]

The online help file says "The primary source of use support is the user
mailing list" - which is the link I clicked on to send this e-mail message.
If this is not correct, can you please tell me how to get help? I've
searched everywhere I could try to get an online answer-even a general
Google search-all to avail. GnuCash looks like an incredible program but I'm
lost at step one since I can't use the built-in help file.

 

None of the "GnuCash Tutorial and Concepts Guide" graphics (.png files)
display on my computer.

 

Here are the details on my PC (although I don't really know what you might
need to answer my question).

. GnuCash 3.2 just installed

. ASUS laptop (advertised as a gaming machine, though I don't play
games)

. Windows 10 Home ver 1083, build 71734.165

. Intel Core i7 processor

. 16GB RAM

. Running 1920 x 1080 resolution

. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti video card

 

Thank you so much for any help/direction you might be able to provide.

 

Steve Rollison

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[GNC] Hebrew

[Varda Rotenberg]

I speat fluent Hebrew, but I am not a programer. What kind of translation
do you need? I can translate user guides if needed.
Varda
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Re: [GNC] When changing to different version of GNUcash what should be done with data base or files?

[aeneas]

Well now, I'm glad I asked.  The referenced links do provide useful details
that I didn't know and that does look useful.

I probably should have included a few more facts which follow:
- OS:  Windows 7
- GNUcash Version:  2.6.15 (I believe for more than a year)
- Data format:  File (SQLite)
It looks like the current version is 3.2 and apparently the last of version
2 was 2.6.21.

I've decided that using the PortableApps version of GNUcash has some appeal. 
One factor is that it is pretty easy to setup a new jump drive when it comes
time to migrate.  This allows easy path to a new release that has no affect
on current operational version.  Also, based on information learned from the
referenced links (above) it looks like the PortableApps version has done a
very nice job of locating all of the applicable data within the folder
structure used for GNUcash Portable.  I was able to copy my SQLite DB file
to what looks to be the GNUcash preferred location and open it without any
problem.

That's all been real nice.  However, my question comes from the fact that I
have enough experience in data processing to know that the kind of issues
I'm concerned about don't necessarily reveal themselves instantly. 
Furthermore, with this type of application it doesn't take very long to
become very invested in the new version and the idea of going back to the
prior release becomes a major problem to do correctly.  Thankfully the prior
version, in this case, is sitting there completely undisturbed because of
using portable GNUcash.

Therefore, I'm thinking there may be some merit to following a particular
path when undertaking a migration such as this.  For example, what about the
following ideas:
- Is there any merit to the idea of making a conversion to Version 2.6.21
prior to converting to 3.2?
- Is there any merit to choosing a different data format, such as XML, to be
used for migration purposes?
Sorry to be a bother but this does seem to me to be a subject that everybody
using GNUcash ought to be concerned about.




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Re: [GNC] Imbalance bug in credit note generation?

[GnuCashAtSRQ]

Thanks, Geert, for acknowledging this and do have a good holiday.

I have the same problem (Gnucash 3.2 on Windows 10, using Sqlite3) but one
other that may be related.  When the credit note I created for $279 had the
backwards result I thought I'd entered something wrong so I unposted the
Credit Note, deleted the old transaction, entered a new transaction with a
$0 value and re-posted the same Credit Note.  But then the Customer Report
showed TWO Credit Notes -- one for $279 and one for $0.  Again, then I had 3
Credit Notes.  I went to Accounts Receivable and found entries for all
three.  Gnucash let me delete 1 of the transactions from the Accounts
Receivable Register, but trying to delete either of the other 2 gave me an
error saying the transaction was from and invoice and to delete the invoice
first.

Then the Customer Report showed me the 2 credit notes, $279, and $0.  I
clicked the link to the $279 credit note and what displayed was a credit
note with the transaction being $0, not $279.

 [AN ASIDE, and a complaint (suggestion ):  There seems no way to delete an
invoice, which is a problem if one makes a mistake and there should really
not be any invoice at all.]

This is of some urgency for us so can you estimate when 3.3 might be
available?

Many thanks.





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[GNC] Quote seems to have stopped working

[Megagrumpy]

I have been unable to retrieve quotes since July 31st. It did not work
perfectly since the change away from Yahoo and there was usually a few
quotes that were not retrieved but by running it regularly I was able to
keep most stocks up to date. It always completed and came back with a
message saying what had not been retrieved even though it took a few
minutes. Now I get the Perl window and the rotating pointer but then
nothing. I have left it running for more than 15 minutes and there is no
change.

I am using GnuCash 2.6.18 



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