Re: [GNC] Accidentally hid two columns - can't get them back

2020-10-01 Thread David Carlson
I was hoping another user who has experience with either release 4.1.or 4.2
could comment on the current state of register column recovery

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 11:22 PM Daffy Duck  wrote:

> So you have to keep using general journal view to deal with that account
> till this is fixed, because I accidentally shrunk a column?
>
> :(
>
> On Thu, 2020-10-01 at 23:16 -0500, David Carlson wrote:
>
> A temporary work-around would be to open the General Journal then search
> for Account Matches Any Account then select that account in the drop down
> list.  I am not sure about a better solution that is reliable for all
> displays
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:58 PM Daffy Duck 
> wrote:
>
> I can sort of get to it through tabbing, but not really.  CAn you please
> tell me what to do?
>
> On Thu, 2020-10-01 at 22:56 -0500, David Carlson wrote:
>
> This question or some variation comes up often enough that it might be a
> good idea to have a button somewhere to reset that register view to the
> default column widths.  What do others think?
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:38 PM Daffy Duck 
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I was resizing some columns on a liability account, and now I can't see
> them or get them back
>
> Increase
>
> and
>
> R
>
> columns.
>
> What to do?
>
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Re: [GNC] Accidentally hid two columns - can't get them back

2020-10-01 Thread Daffy Duck
So you have to keep using general journal view to deal with that
account till this is fixed, because I accidentally shrunk a column?
:( 
On Thu, 2020-10-01 at 23:16 -0500, David Carlson wrote:
> A temporary work-around would be to open the General Journal then
> search for Account Matches Any Account then select that account in
> the drop down list.  I am not sure about a better solution that is
> reliable for all displays
> 
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:58 PM Daffy Duck 
> wrote:
> > I can sort of get to it through tabbing, but not really.  CAn you
> > please tell me what to do?
> > On Thu, 2020-10-01 at 22:56 -0500, David Carlson wrote:
> > > This question or some variation comes up often enough that it
> > > might be a good idea to have a button somewhere to reset that
> > > register view to the default column widths.  What do others
> > > think?
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:38 PM Daffy Duck <
> > > suffsuccot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I was resizing some columns on a liability account, and now I
> > > > can't see
> > > > 
> > > > them or get them back
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Increase
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > and 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > R 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > columns.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > What to do?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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Re: [GNC] withholding tax (Liz Dodd)

2020-10-01 Thread Paul W via gnucash-user
 Stan,

I see what you are saying. Practically I think I need to process the invoice 
payment twice, first part payment (80) to Accounts Receivable then another 
payment (20) to Assets: WHT. But I don't seem to have this ability in gnucash 
because when I process an invoice payment in the 'post to' box only has Assets: 
Accounts Receivable as an option in the pull down menu. Help!

Paul


On 2020-10-01 19:14, Paul W via gnucash-user wrote:
> Foreign Government A keeps this money and My Government B will credit this 
> amount against my corporation tax liability.
>
> My invoice is for the full amount, £100.
>
> Usually (without WHT) when the invoice is paid the full amount is
> sent to my Accounts Receivable. In this case I think the way to do it
> is for gnucash to send £100 to Accounts Receivable then £80 will go
> from here to my Asset: Bank Account and £20 to Asset: WHT. How do I
> achieve this in gnucash?

Just to be clear, the answer to any question like this is always, "Think
of GnuCash as a pen-and-ink ledger. First determine what entries you
need to make, to cover your own accounting and tax needs. Once you know
that, you can make those entries in GnuCash."


> Do you agree this is the way to do it?


I don't think so. Since you will collect 80 pounds not 100, the amount
in receivables should, I think, be 80 pounds not 100. The 20 pounds is
an asset, but it is a prepaid tax expense and not a receivable.

Debit: Assets: Receivable from {customer} 80
Debit: Assets: Tax prepaid to {Foreign Government} 20
Credit: Income: Sales 100

Then at the end of the year you make an adjusting entry:
Debit: Liabilities: Tax payable to {My Government) {total for the year}
Credit: Assets: Tax prepaid to {Foreign Government} {same amount}

That lets you track the amounts invoice by invoice or by annual totals.
For strictly accounting purposes, that is what I would do. However, your
country may mandate doing it in a particular way, so you may want to get
local advice on that point. There's no need to bring GnuCash into that
discussion; just ask how debits and credits should be recorded.

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Re: [GNC] Accidentally hid two columns - can't get them back

2020-10-01 Thread David Carlson
A temporary work-around would be to open the General Journal then search
for Account Matches Any Account then select that account in the drop down
list.  I am not sure about a better solution that is reliable for all
displays

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:58 PM Daffy Duck  wrote:

> I can sort of get to it through tabbing, but not really.  CAn you please
> tell me what to do?
>
> On Thu, 2020-10-01 at 22:56 -0500, David Carlson wrote:
>
> This question or some variation comes up often enough that it might be a
> good idea to have a button somewhere to reset that register view to the
> default column widths.  What do others think?
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:38 PM Daffy Duck 
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I was resizing some columns on a liability account, and now I can't see
> them or get them back
>
> Increase
>
> and
>
> R
>
> columns.
>
> What to do?
>
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Re: [GNC] Accidentally hid two columns - can't get them back

2020-10-01 Thread Daffy Duck
I can sort of get to it through tabbing, but not really.  CAn you
please tell me what to do?
On Thu, 2020-10-01 at 22:56 -0500, David Carlson wrote:
> This question or some variation comes up often enough that it might
> be a good idea to have a button somewhere to reset that register view
> to the default column widths.  What do others think?
> 
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:38 PM Daffy Duck 
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I was resizing some columns on a liability account, and now I can't
> > see
> > 
> > them or get them back
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Increase
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > and 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > R 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > columns.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > What to do?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > gnucash-4.1-1.fc32.x86_64
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Re: [GNC] Accidentally hid two columns - can't get them back

2020-10-01 Thread David Carlson
This question or some variation comes up often enough that it might be a
good idea to have a button somewhere to reset that register view to the
default column widths.  What do others think?

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:38 PM Daffy Duck  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I was resizing some columns on a liability account, and now I can't see
> them or get them back
>
> Increase
>
> and
>
> R
>
> columns.
>
> What to do?
>
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[GNC] Accidentally hid two columns - can't get them back

2020-10-01 Thread Daffy Duck
Hello,

I was resizing some columns on a liability account, and now I can't see
them or get them back

Increase

and 

R 

columns.

What to do?

gnucash-4.1-1.fc32.x86_64
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Re: [GNC] withholding tax (Liz Dodd)

2020-10-01 Thread Paul W via gnucash-user
 Foreign Government A keeps this money and My Government B will credit this 
amount against my corporation tax liability.

My invoice is for the full amount, £100.

Usually (without WHT) when the invoice is paid the full amount is sent to my 
Accounts Receivable. In this case I think the way to do it is for gnucash to 
send £100 to Accounts Receivable then £80 will go from here to my Asset: Bank 
Account and £20 to Asset: WHT. How do I achieve this in gnucash?

Do you agree this is the way to do it?

On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 05:41:31 + (UTC)
Paul W via gnucash-user  wrote:

> I invoice my client ?100 for services provided. They process my
> invoice and pay me the balance of ?80 after deducting 20% (?20)
> withholding tax which they give to foreign government A. How do I
> account for this withholding tax in gnucash?
> ___

Just think about how you record this with pen and ink

But first, will you ever see the ?20 again?
Does Foreign Government A pay this back at some time?
Will you be credited this by your government instead?

According to the answer, that tells you how you might note this on
paper.

Until you have spoken to your accounting expert in your own country,
put this ?20 in an account of it's own, Asset:Withholding Tax:Country A

Later you move this to a preferred place in your account structure

Liz


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Re: [GNC] Split Transactions

2020-10-01 Thread Adrien Monteleone
I'm not quite following the results from your second paragraph, maybe 
screenshots could help.


But I'd think of this as a 3-split transaction.

One would show the amount debited to the account in total.
The other two would be for each type of interest, as credits to their 
respective (or the same) income account.


So if regular interest was '5' and bonus interest was '20', the 
transaction would look something like:


Dr. Savings 25
  Cr. Interest Income   5
  Cr. Bonus Interest Income 20

If you use the same Interest Income account, then simply use the Memo 
field for the detail info to distinguish the bonus payment.


Regards,
Adrien

On 9/30/20 8:53 PM, normanj wrote:

I've been using Gnucash for a few years, but I'm far from being an expert
user.

One of my accounts is for a savings account which pays a monthly interest
and, subject to some conditions, a "bonus" interest payment.  The bank used
to report these as a single monthly payment so entering these into Gnucash
was a straightforward transaction - a assets account for the balance and an
income account for the interest.

The bank has started reporting the base and bonus interest payments
separately, and my first thought was to use a split transaction - two
payments for the interest and two corresponding entries into the asset
account.  However, when I save the transaction it is shown as two split
transactions, each showing the same 4 numbers for both the regular and
"bonus" interest, though the asset account balance is correct.  Any change I
make to one transaction, including deletion, is immediately reflected in the
other transaction.

To my inexpert eye this seems quite odd.  The only way I can see to fix this
is to delete the impacted transactions and re-enter the "ordinary" and
"bonus" payments separately, though as they are directly linked there is an
obvious benefit in having everything in one transaction.

Can anyone kindly advise if this is normal behaviour and is there a better
way to do this?  If it makes a difference I use a mac and upgraded to
Gnucash 3.6 earlier in year (as it happens, about the same time the bank
chnged its reporting format)

Thank you.  Despite this hiccup, I've found Gnucash to be an excellent tool.


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Re: [GNC] Split Transactions

2020-10-01 Thread Stephen M. Butler
On 9/30/20 6:53 PM, normanj wrote:
> I've been using Gnucash for a few years, but I'm far from being an expert
> user.
>
> One of my accounts is for a savings account which pays a monthly interest
> and, subject to some conditions, a "bonus" interest payment.  The bank used
> to report these as a single monthly payment so entering these into Gnucash
> was a straightforward transaction - a assets account for the balance and an
> income account for the interest.
>
> The bank has started reporting the base and bonus interest payments
> separately, and my first thought was to use a split transaction - two
> payments for the interest and two corresponding entries into the asset
> account.  However, when I save the transaction it is shown as two split
> transactions, each showing the same 4 numbers for both the regular and
> "bonus" interest, though the asset account balance is correct.  Any change I
> make to one transaction, including deletion, is immediately reflected in the
> other transaction. 


I routinely have transactions with multiple splits going to the same
account.  I only see the one transaction with multiple splits.

Therefore, I think it must be an artifact of the type of register view
you have.  I am using the expanded view that shows all splits in the
transaction.  I suspect you are using a view that shows only the splits
that apply to the account you are viewing.


>
> To my inexpert eye this seems quite odd.  The only way I can see to fix this
> is to delete the impacted transactions and re-enter the "ordinary" and
> "bonus" payments separately, though as they are directly linked there is an
> obvious benefit in having everything in one transaction.  
>
> Can anyone kindly advise if this is normal behaviour and is there a better
> way to do this?  If it makes a difference I use a mac and upgraded to
> Gnucash 3.6 earlier in year (as it happens, about the same time the bank
> chnged its reporting format)
>
> Thank you.  Despite this hiccup, I've found Gnucash to be an excellent tool.
>

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Re: [GNC] Split Transactions

2020-10-01 Thread David Carlson
Normanj,
What you are seeing is a normal artifact of GnuCash that appears when there
is more than one split line for the account in which you are viewing the
transaction.  If you 'jump' to another account in the transaction, you will
see as many transactions as there are split lines for that account.
Usually you will only enter a single net amount on the asset side for the
sum of the incomes, then there would only be one transaction in the asset
register view.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 4:41 PM normanj  wrote:

> I've been using Gnucash for a few years, but I'm far from being an expert
> user.
>
> One of my accounts is for a savings account which pays a monthly interest
> and, subject to some conditions, a "bonus" interest payment.  The bank used
> to report these as a single monthly payment so entering these into Gnucash
> was a straightforward transaction - a assets account for the balance and an
> income account for the interest.
>
> The bank has started reporting the base and bonus interest payments
> separately, and my first thought was to use a split transaction - two
> payments for the interest and two corresponding entries into the asset
> account.  However, when I save the transaction it is shown as two split
> transactions, each showing the same 4 numbers for both the regular and
> "bonus" interest, though the asset account balance is correct.  Any change
> I
> make to one transaction, including deletion, is immediately reflected in
> the
> other transaction.
>
> To my inexpert eye this seems quite odd.  The only way I can see to fix
> this
> is to delete the impacted transactions and re-enter the "ordinary" and
> "bonus" payments separately, though as they are directly linked there is an
> obvious benefit in having everything in one transaction.
>
> Can anyone kindly advise if this is normal behaviour and is there a better
> way to do this?  If it makes a difference I use a mac and upgraded to
> Gnucash 3.6 earlier in year (as it happens, about the same time the bank
> chnged its reporting format)
>
> Thank you.  Despite this hiccup, I've found Gnucash to be an excellent
> tool.
>
>
>
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[GNC] Split Transactions

2020-10-01 Thread normanj
I've been using Gnucash for a few years, but I'm far from being an expert
user.

One of my accounts is for a savings account which pays a monthly interest
and, subject to some conditions, a "bonus" interest payment.  The bank used
to report these as a single monthly payment so entering these into Gnucash
was a straightforward transaction - a assets account for the balance and an
income account for the interest.

The bank has started reporting the base and bonus interest payments
separately, and my first thought was to use a split transaction - two
payments for the interest and two corresponding entries into the asset
account.  However, when I save the transaction it is shown as two split
transactions, each showing the same 4 numbers for both the regular and
"bonus" interest, though the asset account balance is correct.  Any change I
make to one transaction, including deletion, is immediately reflected in the
other transaction. 

To my inexpert eye this seems quite odd.  The only way I can see to fix this
is to delete the impacted transactions and re-enter the "ordinary" and
"bonus" payments separately, though as they are directly linked there is an
obvious benefit in having everything in one transaction.  

Can anyone kindly advise if this is normal behaviour and is there a better
way to do this?  If it makes a difference I use a mac and upgraded to
Gnucash 3.6 earlier in year (as it happens, about the same time the bank
chnged its reporting format)

Thank you.  Despite this hiccup, I've found Gnucash to be an excellent tool.



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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 4.2 Released

2020-10-01 Thread Dale Alspach
On Mint 20 there was no automatic update of the flatpak 4.1 version of
gnucash. Running
sudo flatpak update
I get
ID  Branch  Op  Remote   Download
 1. [✓] org.gnucash.GnuCash.Locale  stable  u   flathub  1.0 MB / 7.3 MB
 2. [✓] org.gnucash.GnuCash stable  u   flathub  1.9 MB / 110.4 MB

I allowed the update and so far 4.1 seems to have been replaced with 4.2
without issues.
Dale


On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 10:20 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Thanks Bruce!
>
> It seems that the Flatpak update process is working as expected for you.
>
> It might be a day or two till I get time to play, but I'm interested to
> take a look at Mint 19.1 (based on Ubuntu 18.04) and see what happens
> with various Flatpak install methods.
>
> I suspect something else is at play for the affected users, perhaps a
> non-standard Flatpak repo, or some custom preference with regards to
> Flathub updates.
>
> The trick will be to intentionally replicate it so as to determine the
> cause, if this isn't default behavior for Mint.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 9/30/20 2:55 PM, Bruce Olson via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I have Ubuntu 20.04 With Flatpak and Gnome Software installed in
> addition to the Ubuntu Software package manager. I started with GnuCash 4.1
> and updated to 4.2 seamlessly with Flatpak. I only have one icon for
> GnuCash to launch as expected. This is the behavior I expected to get from
> Flatpak. I am not set to update automatically, and the update did not take
> place until I initiated it. I did not use the command line to update
> GnuCash and used Flatpak via Gnome Software. That’s the behavior in the
> latest Ubuntu with Gnome Software installed. I don’t have Linux
> Mint installed to test at the moment, So I can’t speak for the behavior in
> Linux Mint. I hope that helps the discussion at least from the perspective
> of Ubuntu.
>
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Re: [GNC] Report headings, can one separate the company name from the report name?

2020-10-01 Thread Michael or Penny Novack

Two things:

First, you may be not have considered all of the report options. I 
haven't looked at all gnucsh reports, but the ones that I have allow you 
to control the "title" of the report. This might be more obvious to 
folks like me doing books for non-profits << by custom the report titled 
"Income Statement" and/or "Profit and Loss" is called "Statement of 
Revenues and Expenses" or just "Statement of Revenues" for short if the 
entity is a non-profit >>


Second (and in this case your "hack" is in the right direction) if you 
considered your question in a more general form, you might see that 
things like this sort of "pretty printing" best done AFTER exporting 
from gnucash where you have a great deal of potential editing power. For 
example, suppose you had said "I want to have my company logo up at the 
top". You wouldn't expect to be doing that from WITHIN gnucash. But it 
could be other "pretty printing" matters like "I want the body lines 
font size X but the total lines font size Y, etc."


Michael D Novack



On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 09:04:28PM +0100, Chris Green wrote:

I have just been looking at and printing some reports, the 'Company
Name' set in Properties is just put on the same line as the report
name.

Is there any way to get the Company Name on a line by itself at the
top of the report?


No answers?  It seems such an obvious thing to want to do.




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Re: [GNC] Report headings, can one separate the company name from the report name?

2020-10-01 Thread Christopher Lam
Ideally you'd submit changes in a PR or bugzilla so that further
architectural changes may be debated. For illustration on further work, try
this fix in html-style-info.scm: it'll sanitize most/all strings, but many
old reports will be damaged because they use html for layout:

gnucash/report/html-style-info.scm
@@ -161,7 +161,7 @@
 

 (define (gnc:default-html-string-renderer datum params)
-  datum)
+  (gnc:html-string-sanitize datum))

 (define (gnc:default-html-gnc-numeric-renderer datum params)
   (xaccPrintAmount datum (gnc-default-print-info #f)))

On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 at 08:54, Chris Green  wrote:

>
> That's exactly why I called it a hack.  :-)
>
> I've actually now dug down into the scheme files that generate the
> reports and they're not as frightening as I thought from looking at
> the documentation.  So I'll modify and customise reports by adapting
> the scheme files.
>
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 4.2 Released

2020-10-01 Thread Mahon Finbar

Thanks to the message from James I downloaded 4.2 for W10.

Maybe coincidentally, my Vivaldi browser crashed half way through the 
download, but it restarted after restarting Vivaldi.


All OK in the end and the load is MUCH faster.

Thanks to all concerned.

Barry

On 30/09/2020 20:57, Jamestk wrote:

Frank, its Linux Mint 19.1 Cinnamon, please see Adrien reply below for
solution.


Frank H. Ellenberger-3 wrote

Which OS/Distri, version?

Am 30.09.20 um 17:25 schrieb Jamestk:

Here we go, dollar sign as opposed to 'G'

The updates I checked were from system, i.e the periodic updates
triggered
by shield symbol in sys tray, it must have come down as an update during
this process.


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Re: [GNC] withholding tax

2020-10-01 Thread Liz Dodd
On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 05:41:31 + (UTC)
Paul W via gnucash-user  wrote:

> I invoice my client £100 for services provided. They process my
> invoice and pay me the balance of £80 after deducting 20% (£20)
> withholding tax which they give to foreign government A. How do I
> account for this withholding tax in gnucash?
> ___ 

Just think about how you record this with pen and ink

But first, will you ever see the £20 again? 
Does Foreign Government A pay this back at some time?
Will you be credited this by your government instead?

According to the answer, that tells you how you might note this on
paper.

Until you have spoken to your accounting expert in your own country,
put this £20 in an account of it's own, Asset:Withholding Tax:Country A

Later you move this to a preferred place in your account structure

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Report headings, can one separate the company name from the report name?

2020-10-01 Thread Chris Green
On Thu, Oct 01, 2020 at 12:23:02PM +0800, Christopher Lam wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2020, 12:42 am Chris Green,  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 09:04:28PM +0100, Chris Green wrote:
> > > I have just been looking at and printing some reports, the 'Company
> > > Name' set in Properties is just put on the same line as the report
> > > name.
> > >
> > > Is there any way to get the Company Name on a line by itself at the
> > > top of the report?
> > >
> > No answers?  It seems such an obvious thing to want to do.
> >
> > Anyway I've found a bit of a 'hack' that does what I want.  Since the
> > reports are all HTML then one can add HTML to the strings in options.
> >
> > I just changed the business name from "This is my business name" to
> > "This is my business name" and now it appears in a line by itself
> > at the top of the report.
> >
> Please be aware that inserting raw HTML into textual fields in datafile or
> report options is a wart and will very likely be sanitized in the future.
> At best, simple formatting elements e.g. multiline into  tags are
> already possible in some report options.
> 
> The reason is it's not difficult to craft a data file containing html and
> JavaScript and can damage the data file or the underlying file system.
> 
That's exactly why I called it a hack.  :-)

I've actually now dug down into the scheme files that generate the
reports and they're not as frightening as I thought from looking at
the documentation.  So I'll modify and customise reports by adapting
the scheme files.

-- 
Chris Green
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