Re: [GNC] Strange behaviour

[randix]

Sounds *exactly* like what I was experiencing several weeks ago, and which
was discussed in another thread. I was also using version 4.2.

Apparently this issue was fixed in a nightly build to 4.2, I downloaded it,
and no longer have the issue at all. Think I downloaded and installed the
one on October 25th fwiw.

Steve



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Re: [GNC] List Replies

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Am 17.11.20 um 19:26 schrieb Adrien Monteleone:
> (note, private replies to this list are discouraged, so why make it the
> default?!)

and we will end with public visible logs of online banking sessions. :-(

Frank
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Re: [GNC] List Replies

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At Tue, 17 Nov 2020 12:26:58 -0600 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:

> 
> Yeah, perhaps I'm not understanding something, but if the list server is 
> configured with the list address in the reply-to header, but *does not* 
> hide the individual's personal address (as described by Greg) how hard 
> is it for someone to copy and paste that address in a new compose window 
> in the 'to' field? And to make it even easier, most mail apps have a 
> feature that if you select *any* e-mail address, you can get a context 
> menu to send a new message to that address!

The whole copy and paste from the comment part of the from header is something 
of a "pain in the ass" for many people.  It is *far easier* to click the 
"Reply[ to Sender]" vs. "Reply to All" buttons virtually all E-Mail clients 
provide.  Then the E-Mail client sets up the To: and Cc: headers properly and 
without error -- the copy and paste is prone to [human] errors.  

> 
> So the default behavior would be reply-to-list, and if the *OFF* chance 
> you *might* want to privately reply, you can still do so. (note, private 
> replies to this list are discouraged, so why make it the default?!)
> 
> That way you don't have to rely on people understanding 'reply-all' or 
> 'reply-list' explicitly, and you can still reply privately *very easily* 
> if you want to.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 11/16/20 8:08 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > At Mon, 16 Nov 2020 05:33:31 -0800 Greg Feneis  wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> That seems like an unnecessary dichotomy.  Perhaps it's a limitation of
> >> mailman, or our ability to administer?  On the other list I belong to that
> >> server causes either reply type to default to only the list server without
> >> obscuring the originator's address.
> > 
> > Those lists are almost impossible to make *private* replies, without being a
> > near computer-Guru.
> > 
> > Note I manage a list populated by people who are mostly non-techies, which 
> > is
> > a "standard" Mailman list and is set up much like this list and these
> > non-techies have no problem replying to the list and making private replies 
> > as
> > appropriate.  *It Is Not Rocket Science.*
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 05:20 Derek Atkins  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Greg,
> >>>
> >>> This topic comes up about once a year or so, usually closer to Spring as
> >>> people start working on their taxes and asking for help.
> >>>
> >>> In short, yes, mailman COULD be set up to set the Reply-To the list.  The
> >>> downside of that approach is that it makes it MUCH MUCH harder (nearly
> >>> impossible) to make an off-list (private) reply.  The decision, which has
> >>> been made over and over again over the past 20 years, is that making it
> >>> POSSIBLE to make a private reply is more important than making it always
> >>> reply-to-list.
> >>>
> >>> This is why every message has a note to remind people to Reply-All.
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Re: [GNC] List Replies

[Adrien Monteleone]

Yeah, perhaps I'm not understanding something, but if the list server is 
configured with the list address in the reply-to header, but *does not* 
hide the individual's personal address (as described by Greg) how hard 
is it for someone to copy and paste that address in a new compose window 
in the 'to' field? And to make it even easier, most mail apps have a 
feature that if you select *any* e-mail address, you can get a context 
menu to send a new message to that address!


So the default behavior would be reply-to-list, and if the *OFF* chance 
you *might* want to privately reply, you can still do so. (note, private 
replies to this list are discouraged, so why make it the default?!)


That way you don't have to rely on people understanding 'reply-all' or 
'reply-list' explicitly, and you can still reply privately *very easily* 
if you want to.


Regards,
Adrien

On 11/16/20 8:08 AM, Robert Heller wrote:

At Mon, 16 Nov 2020 05:33:31 -0800 Greg Feneis  wrote:



That seems like an unnecessary dichotomy.  Perhaps it's a limitation of
mailman, or our ability to administer?  On the other list I belong to that
server causes either reply type to default to only the list server without
obscuring the originator's address.


Those lists are almost impossible to make *private* replies, without being a
near computer-Guru.

Note I manage a list populated by people who are mostly non-techies, which is
a "standard" Mailman list and is set up much like this list and these
non-techies have no problem replying to the list and making private replies as
appropriate.  *It Is Not Rocket Science.*




On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 05:20 Derek Atkins  wrote:


Greg,

This topic comes up about once a year or so, usually closer to Spring as
people start working on their taxes and asking for help.

In short, yes, mailman COULD be set up to set the Reply-To the list.  The
downside of that approach is that it makes it MUCH MUCH harder (nearly
impossible) to make an off-list (private) reply.  The decision, which has
been made over and over again over the past 20 years, is that making it
POSSIBLE to make a private reply is more important than making it always
reply-to-list.

This is why every message has a note to remind people to Reply-All.


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Re: [GNC] Strange behaviour

[Tony Vanson]

Thanks all,
Currently just a nuisance for me, but an intriguing one.
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On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 8:08 PM D.  wrote:

> Tony,
>
> No need to dig much; there's an outstanding bug (
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797959) that addresses the issue
> at length. That bug is supposed to be fixed in the upcoming release.
>
> HTH,
> David T.
>
>
>  Original Message 
> From: Tony Vanson 
> Sent: Tue Nov 17 01:18:34 EST 2020
> To: py...@cox.net
> Cc: Gnucash Users 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Strange behaviour
>
> Seems that the comma separator is the culprit here if it is left in when
> committing the altered amount. In addition I find that if I use the
> backspace key to try to alter a number before committing, GnuCash shuts
> down immediately, however using the backspace to delete the comma separator
> works fine.
> Bit more digging to do.
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> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 10:47 AM  wrote:
>
> > Tony -- just curious -- this seems very similar to the thousand separator
> > issue of entries over $1,000 when you include the thousands separator
> > (comma).  If you enter an entry that includes the comma and go to change
> > the
> > entry, it seems GNUCASH crashes -- but not entering the comma the issue
> > does
> > not happen.  Would be interested if your behavior is happening on items
> > that
> > are less than $1,000 (i.e., or do not include the separator).
> >
> > There is a reported issue with the separator issue that I think is
> already
> > addressed for the next build.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: gnucash-user  On
> > Behalf Of Tony Vanson
> > Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 7:07 PM
> > To: John Ralls 
> > Cc: Gnucash Users 
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Strange behaviour
> >
> > Yes, same problem here on Windows 10 Home with Gnucash 4.2.
> > I used to just copy and paste a previous entry, alter the amount as
> > required, and then commit. However this now causes CNC to completely shut
> > down, but I find if I commit the wrong amount and then alter it, things
> are
> > fine.
> > Regards
> >
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> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 12:13 AM John Ralls  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Nov 16, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Mahon Finbar 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, I think I posted this already in the wrong address.
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Just now I was making an entry in an account I use regularly, one of
> > > > my
> > > bank accounts. and was entering a salary cheque which required an
> > > alteration of one figure.
> > > >
> > > > It worked fine, date, description, etc., until I tried to change the
> > > digit on the figure. It put the cursor behind the digit but when I
> > > tried to change it the blue circle appeared and gnucash closed,
> > completely.
> > > >
> > > > I relaunched, having to do 'open anyway' at the lock question, and
> > > opened the account, which was closed. The entry I was trying to make
> > > was not there, although the previous entry was. I tried to enter the
> > > salary entry, tried to change the digit and the same thing happened ,
> > > blue circle, closed.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > It's probably https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797959.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] Strange behaviour

[D. via gnucash-user]

Tony, 

No need to dig much; there's an outstanding bug 
(https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797959) that addresses the issue at 
length. That bug is supposed to be fixed in the upcoming release. 

HTH,
David T.


 Original Message 
From: Tony Vanson 
Sent: Tue Nov 17 01:18:34 EST 2020
To: py...@cox.net
Cc: Gnucash Users 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Strange behaviour

Seems that the comma separator is the culprit here if it is left in when
committing the altered amount. In addition I find that if I use the
backspace key to try to alter a number before committing, GnuCash shuts
down immediately, however using the backspace to delete the comma separator
works fine.
Bit more digging to do.


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On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 10:47 AM  wrote:

> Tony -- just curious -- this seems very similar to the thousand separator
> issue of entries over $1,000 when you include the thousands separator
> (comma).  If you enter an entry that includes the comma and go to change
> the
> entry, it seems GNUCASH crashes -- but not entering the comma the issue
> does
> not happen.  Would be interested if your behavior is happening on items
> that
> are less than $1,000 (i.e., or do not include the separator).
>
> There is a reported issue with the separator issue that I think is already
> addressed for the next build.
>
> Ken
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gnucash-user  On
> Behalf Of Tony Vanson
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 7:07 PM
> To: John Ralls 
> Cc: Gnucash Users 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Strange behaviour
>
> Yes, same problem here on Windows 10 Home with Gnucash 4.2.
> I used to just copy and paste a previous entry, alter the amount as
> required, and then commit. However this now causes CNC to completely shut
> down, but I find if I commit the wrong amount and then alter it, things are
> fine.
> Regards
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> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 12:13 AM John Ralls  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 16, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Mahon Finbar 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry, I think I posted this already in the wrong address.
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Just now I was making an entry in an account I use regularly, one of
> > > my
> > bank accounts. and was entering a salary cheque which required an
> > alteration of one figure.
> > >
> > > It worked fine, date, description, etc., until I tried to change the
> > digit on the figure. It put the cursor behind the digit but when I
> > tried to change it the blue circle appeared and gnucash closed,
> completely.
> > >
> > > I relaunched, having to do 'open anyway' at the lock question, and
> > opened the account, which was closed. The entry I was trying to make
> > was not there, although the previous entry was. I tried to enter the
> > salary entry, tried to change the digit and the same thing happened ,
> > blue circle, closed.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> >
> > It's probably https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797959.
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] Odd Description Behaviour When Updating Description that ends with ")"

[David H]

Hi Jim,

Ah yes it’s the same issue, thanks for the heads up.

Regards David.


On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 6:17 pm, Jim DeLaHunt  wrote:

> David:
>
> This sounds to me like a known GnuCash bug,
> , "odd cursor behaviour
> in register Description". Apparently, it is fixed in the nightly builds,
> but I haven't checked that myself yet. The next release of GnuCash
> should have the fix.
>
> Best regards,
>—Jim DeLaHun
>
> On 2020-11-16 23:03, David H wrote:
> > Replying to/Correcting my own email - sorry the right bracket is not
> added
> > as it's already there, it's just that the cursor bounces to the end of
> the
> > description prematurely...
> >
> > Cheers David H.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 17:01, David H  wrote:
> >
> >> I've just recently noticed an unusual behaviour with the Description -
> if
> >> you have an existing description that ends with a right round bracket
> e.g.
> >> (From dd/mm/ccyy to dd/mm/2020) and you attempt to update the To Date to
> >> 2021 by simply highlighting the last 2 characters of 2020 and
> overtyping,
> >> leaving the ")" character un-highlighted as soon as 1 character is
> entered
> >> a ")" is also added automatically so you end up with "202)0" instead of
> the
> >> expected "2020)"
> >>
> >> Running Gnucash 4.2 on MacOS Big Sur.
> >>
> >> Not sure if this occurs on Linux/Win 10 but will check further and if
> it's
> >> NOT an existing bug will raise a bug report for it.
> >>
> >> Regards David H.
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Re: [GNC] List Replies

[Chris Green]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 09:22:43PM -0500, Jean-David Beyer via gnucash-user 
wrote:
> On 11/16/20 7:22 PM, Greg Feneis wrote:
> > If it's been the way it is for several years, it might be time to try a
> > change.  Perhaps people are more email savvy these days?
> 
> I very much doubt it. Most of my e-mail friends have dropped their
> land-lines and use, exclusively, their cell phones. They also send text
> messages or Facebook messages instead of e-mails.In fact, the younger ones
> do not even use Facebook anymore.
> 
None of the above is particularly relevant to a discussion about how a
(fairly) technical E-Mail list is configured surely.  If someone uses
software and wants support then they use the means provided for
support and, in the main, that means E-Mail lists.  Most support
E-Mail lists use similar netiquette too:-

Don't top post (i.e. reply below questions)

Don't use HTML

Trim replies to provide context but no more

This list isn't so techie that the above things are strictly enforced
but I still think they're a good idea.

As regards the original question about how the list works with 'Reply'
and 'Reply All' I don't have a strong opinion because my mail program
has a third reply type called 'List Reply' which sorts things out for
me however a mailing list is configured.

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Re: [GNC] Strange behaviour

[Mahon Finbar]

Thanks all, strange indeed. I don't recall it happening before. The 
salary amount varies by 1€centime each month, pity it is not more:-( 
so I need to change the last digit each month. Maybe I used the 'comma' 
procedure previously? Actually the crash happened before I tried to 
commit, it happened when I tried to backspace.


Roll on next build, and while I am here, enormous thanks to all the 
development team.


Barry

On 17/11/2020 07:18, Tony Vanson wrote:

Seems that the comma separator is the culprit here if it is left in when
committing the altered amount. In addition I find that if I use the
backspace key to try to alter a number before committing, GnuCash shuts
down immediately, however using the backspace to delete the comma separator
works fine.
Bit more digging to do.


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On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 10:47 AM  wrote:


Tony -- just curious -- this seems very similar to the thousand separator
issue of entries over $1,000 when you include the thousands separator
(comma).  If you enter an entry that includes the comma and go to change
the
entry, it seems GNUCASH crashes -- but not entering the comma the issue
does
not happen.  Would be interested if your behavior is happening on items
that
are less than $1,000 (i.e., or do not include the separator).

There is a reported issue with the separator issue that I think is already
addressed for the next build.

Ken


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From: gnucash-user  On
Behalf Of Tony Vanson
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 7:07 PM
To: John Ralls 
Cc: Gnucash Users 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Strange behaviour

Yes, same problem here on Windows 10 Home with Gnucash 4.2.
I used to just copy and paste a previous entry, alter the amount as
required, and then commit. However this now causes CNC to completely shut
down, but I find if I commit the wrong amount and then alter it, things are
fine.
Regards

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On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 12:13 AM John Ralls  wrote:




On Nov 16, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Mahon Finbar 

wrote:

Sorry, I think I posted this already in the wrong address.

Hi,

Just now I was making an entry in an account I use regularly, one of
my

bank accounts. and was entering a salary cheque which required an
alteration of one figure.

It worked fine, date, description, etc., until I tried to change the

digit on the figure. It put the cursor behind the digit but when I
tried to change it the blue circle appeared and gnucash closed,

completely.

I relaunched, having to do 'open anyway' at the lock question, and

opened the account, which was closed. The entry I was trying to make
was not there, although the previous entry was. I tried to enter the
salary entry, tried to change the digit and the same thing happened ,
blue circle, closed.

Any ideas?

It's probably https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797959.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Odd Description Behaviour When Updating Description that ends with ")"

[Jim DeLaHunt]

David:

This sounds to me like a known GnuCash bug, 
, "odd cursor behaviour 
in register Description". Apparently, it is fixed in the nightly builds, 
but I haven't checked that myself yet. The next release of GnuCash 
should have the fix.


Best regards,
  —Jim DeLaHun

On 2020-11-16 23:03, David H wrote:

Replying to/Correcting my own email - sorry the right bracket is not added
as it's already there, it's just that the cursor bounces to the end of the
description prematurely...

Cheers David H.


On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 17:01, David H  wrote:


I've just recently noticed an unusual behaviour with the Description - if
you have an existing description that ends with a right round bracket e.g.
(From dd/mm/ccyy to dd/mm/2020) and you attempt to update the To Date to
2021 by simply highlighting the last 2 characters of 2020 and overtyping,
leaving the ")" character un-highlighted as soon as 1 character is entered
a ")" is also added automatically so you end up with "202)0" instead of the
expected "2020)"

Running Gnucash 4.2 on MacOS Big Sur.

Not sure if this occurs on Linux/Win 10 but will check further and if it's
NOT an existing bug will raise a bug report for it.

Regards David H.



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