Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts selection is erased when modifying a saved report

[Gal Bar Mashiah]

Won't it be possible to update the accounts selector to identify if it's a
case of a saved report configuration, and only in this case, to select
accounts according to the list of account GUIDs?

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 5:50 AM john  wrote:

> It's a little more complicated than that.
>
> When you save a report configuration the accounts are saved as a list of
> account GUIDs.
>
> The new-for-5.x options system includes an accounts selector on all
> options dialogs and its default display doesn't include hidden accounts
> because they're hidden. Even if the selection list for the saved report
> configuration includes hidden accounts they won't be included in the
> selector and when you click apply or OK the callback for the accounts
> selector gets the new list and assumes that that's what the user wants,
> deselecting those hidden accounts. It has no way of knowing that the user
> didn't even look at the accounts page.  The account depth can have a
> similar effect.
>
> It works (or maybe breaks) the other way, too: Several reports use filters
> to generate default account selection, but if you save a report
> configuration it saves the list of accounts that matched the filter at the
> time the configuration is saved. If you later create an account that would
> match that filter and open the saved report config the new account won't be
> automatically included. You have to manually add it in the report options
> then re-save the config.
>
> This isn't very satisfactory but I haven't figured out a good way to fix
> it.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
> > On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:19, Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
> >
> > What do you mean by 'created and saved'?
> >
> > Saving a report does not save its options as new defaults, just the
> rendering of the report with those options.
> >
> > A Saved Report Configuration is what you are looking for.
> >
> > If *that* is not really saving your options, then you found a bug.
> >
> > Note, to run a report with the Saved Configuration, you can't just run a
> default report from the regular menu entries, you have to run the report
> from the Saved Configuration list. Saving a configuration does not change
> default options.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> > On 12/20/23 9:57 AM, Gal Bar Mashiah wrote:
> >> When I create a report that includes hidden accounts, and later open it
> and
> >> modify something in the report options, the selection of the hidden
> >> accounts is erased.
> >> It may sound like an edge scenario but it happens a lot.
> >> For example I have a net worth report that shows the net worth from a
> time
> >> in the post until today, on a monthly basis.
> >> To create the report I had to choose hidden accounts of long past closed
> >> accounts.
> >> Back to the present, now I open the report but I want to change an
> option -
> >> it can be the date range, it can be a new account that didn't exist
> before,
> >> something it is even just displaying the result with a different
> currency.
> >> But when I do it, the accounts selection UI has the "Show Hidden
> Accounts"
> >> unchecked (even though it was checked when the report was created and
> >> saved) and as a result, all those hidden accounts get erased from the
> >> report after the modification is done.
> >> Is it intended? Is it a limitation? Should I create a bug in bugzilla?
> >
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts selection is erased when modifying a saved report

[john]

It's a little more complicated than that.

When you save a report configuration the accounts are saved as a list of 
account GUIDs.

The new-for-5.x options system includes an accounts selector on all options 
dialogs and its default display doesn't include hidden accounts because they're 
hidden. Even if the selection list for the saved report configuration includes 
hidden accounts they won't be included in the selector and when you click apply 
or OK the callback for the accounts selector gets the new list and assumes that 
that's what the user wants, deselecting those hidden accounts. It has no way of 
knowing that the user didn't even look at the accounts page.  The account depth 
can have a similar effect.

It works (or maybe breaks) the other way, too: Several reports use filters to 
generate default account selection, but if you save a report configuration it 
saves the list of accounts that matched the filter at the time the 
configuration is saved. If you later create an account that would match that 
filter and open the saved report config the new account won't be automatically 
included. You have to manually add it in the report options then re-save the 
config.

This isn't very satisfactory but I haven't figured out a good way to fix it.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Dec 20, 2023, at 10:19, Adrien Monteleone  
> wrote:
> 
> What do you mean by 'created and saved'?
> 
> Saving a report does not save its options as new defaults, just the rendering 
> of the report with those options.
> 
> A Saved Report Configuration is what you are looking for.
> 
> If *that* is not really saving your options, then you found a bug.
> 
> Note, to run a report with the Saved Configuration, you can't just run a 
> default report from the regular menu entries, you have to run the report from 
> the Saved Configuration list. Saving a configuration does not change default 
> options.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 12/20/23 9:57 AM, Gal Bar Mashiah wrote:
>> When I create a report that includes hidden accounts, and later open it and
>> modify something in the report options, the selection of the hidden
>> accounts is erased.
>> It may sound like an edge scenario but it happens a lot.
>> For example I have a net worth report that shows the net worth from a time
>> in the post until today, on a monthly basis.
>> To create the report I had to choose hidden accounts of long past closed
>> accounts.
>> Back to the present, now I open the report but I want to change an option -
>> it can be the date range, it can be a new account that didn't exist before,
>> something it is even just displaying the result with a different currency.
>> But when I do it, the accounts selection UI has the "Show Hidden Accounts"
>> unchecked (even though it was checked when the report was created and
>> saved) and as a result, all those hidden accounts get erased from the
>> report after the modification is done.
>> Is it intended? Is it a limitation? Should I create a bug in bugzilla?
> 
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts selection is erased when modifying a saved report

[Gal Bar Mashiah]

Then I will enter a bug in bugzilla.
Thank you.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 11:54 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> In that case, I'd call it a bug.
>
> The option is saved in a configuration and yet is being reset.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 12/20/23 3:01 PM, Gal Bar Mashiah wrote:
> > I mean that I create a saved report configuration.
> >
> > And it actually saves my options fine.
> >
> > And when I open it from the saved configuration list it loads fine
> > with the correct options.
> >
> > But if now I want to make any kind of new modification on this saved
> > report configuration, it is very cumbersome and confusing because the
> > hidden accounts that I chose when I originally saved it, or no longer
> > selected once I make the modification (which may have nothing to do
> > with the selection at the accounts tab of the report option).
>
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts selection is erased when modifying a saved report

[Adrien Monteleone]

In that case, I'd call it a bug.

The option is saved in a configuration and yet is being reset.

Regards,
Adrien

On 12/20/23 3:01 PM, Gal Bar Mashiah wrote:

I mean that I create a saved report configuration.

And it actually saves my options fine.

And when I open it from the saved configuration list it loads fine
with the correct options.

But if now I want to make any kind of new modification on this saved
report configuration, it is very cumbersome and confusing because the
hidden accounts that I chose when I originally saved it, or no longer
selected once I make the modification (which may have nothing to do
with the selection at the accounts tab of the report option).


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[GNC] Hidden accounts selection is erased when modifying a saved report

[Gal Bar Mashiah]

I mean that I create a saved report configuration.

And it actually saves my options fine.

And when I open it from the saved configuration list it loads fine
with the correct options.

But if now I want to make any kind of new modification on this saved
report configuration, it is very cumbersome and confusing because the
hidden accounts that I chose when I originally saved it, or no longer
selected once I make the modification (which may have nothing to do
with the selection at the accounts tab of the report option).

What do you mean by 'created and saved'?
> Saving a report does not save its options as new defaults, just the
> rendering of the report with those options.
> A Saved Report Configuration is what you are looking for.
> If *that* is not really saving your options, then you found a bug.
> Note, to run a report with the Saved Configuration, you can't just run a
> default report from the regular menu entries, you have to run the report
> from the Saved Configuration list. Saving a configuration does not
> change default options.
> Regards,
> Adrien
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts selection is erased when modifying a saved report

[Adrien Monteleone]

What do you mean by 'created and saved'?

Saving a report does not save its options as new defaults, just the 
rendering of the report with those options.


A Saved Report Configuration is what you are looking for.

If *that* is not really saving your options, then you found a bug.

Note, to run a report with the Saved Configuration, you can't just run a 
default report from the regular menu entries, you have to run the report 
from the Saved Configuration list. Saving a configuration does not 
change default options.


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/20/23 9:57 AM, Gal Bar Mashiah wrote:

When I create a report that includes hidden accounts, and later open it and
modify something in the report options, the selection of the hidden
accounts is erased.
It may sound like an edge scenario but it happens a lot.

For example I have a net worth report that shows the net worth from a time
in the post until today, on a monthly basis.
To create the report I had to choose hidden accounts of long past closed
accounts.
Back to the present, now I open the report but I want to change an option -
it can be the date range, it can be a new account that didn't exist before,
something it is even just displaying the result with a different currency.
But when I do it, the accounts selection UI has the "Show Hidden Accounts"
unchecked (even though it was checked when the report was created and
saved) and as a result, all those hidden accounts get erased from the
report after the modification is done.

Is it intended? Is it a limitation? Should I create a bug in bugzilla?


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[GNC] Hidden accounts selection is erased when modifying a saved report

[Gal Bar Mashiah]

When I create a report that includes hidden accounts, and later open it and
modify something in the report options, the selection of the hidden
accounts is erased.
It may sound like an edge scenario but it happens a lot.

For example I have a net worth report that shows the net worth from a time
in the post until today, on a monthly basis.
To create the report I had to choose hidden accounts of long past closed
accounts.
Back to the present, now I open the report but I want to change an option -
it can be the date range, it can be a new account that didn't exist before,
something it is even just displaying the result with a different currency.
But when I do it, the accounts selection UI has the "Show Hidden Accounts"
unchecked (even though it was checked when the report was created and
saved) and as a result, all those hidden accounts get erased from the
report after the modification is done.

Is it intended? Is it a limitation? Should I create a bug in bugzilla?
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Re: [GNC] Hidden Accounts

[Adrien Monteleone]

Gyle,

If you have this screenshot issue in the future - you can possibly use a 
keyboard shortcut instead (if it is on your keyboard PrtScr, near F12 or 
so should already be functional and grabs the whole screen to the 
clipboard so you'd have to crop it after in your editor of choice) Most 
screenshot utilities have various shortcuts for just grabbing a window 
or selection.


Otherwise, what you are looking for is the 'timed' feature of your 
screenshot tool. You set a timer, define the area to be captured, 
activate the timer, then maneuver your pointer as desired to get a 
pop-up, and it will be visible in the screenshot.


Regards,
Adrien

On 4/14/23 7:26 PM, Gyle McCollam wrote:


PS I tried to snip this, but the dialog/tip would disappear so I had to take a 
picture with my phone.


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Re: [GNC] Hidden Accounts

[David T. via gnucash-user]

For what it's worth: https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397135

⁣David T. ​

On Apr 15, 2023, 8:19 AM, at 8:19 AM, "David T. via gnucash-user" 
 wrote:
>That's the behavior since 2006. I never paid attention to the dialog,
>which is incorrect. To hide the account in the transfer drop down, you
>do have to set it as a Placeholder as well. There's a bug about this
>that has a long discussion about it. I can't find it right now. 
>
>⁣David T. ​
>
>On Apr 15, 2023, 3:29 AM, at 3:29 AM, Gyle McCollam
> wrote:
>>when you edit an account and select hidden the pop up tip/dialogue
>says
>>"This account (and any sub-accounts) will be hidden in the account
>tree
>>and will not appear in the popup account list in the register." (see
>>photo), but they do appear in the register when selecting an account
>in
>>the transfer column of the register.  Am I wrong in thinking this
>>should not be happening?  The only way I can have them not show up is
>>to make it a placeholder account.  If these should not be showing up,
>I
>>will file a bug report.
>>
>>PS I tried to snip this, but the dialog/tip would disappear so I had
>to
>>take a picture with my phone.
>>
>>
>>Thank You,
>>
>>Gyle McCollam
>>
>>Gyle McCollam
>>
>>gmccol...@live.com   email
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [GNC] Hidden Accounts

[David T. via gnucash-user]

That's the behavior since 2006. I never paid attention to the dialog, which is 
incorrect. To hide the account in the transfer drop down, you do have to set it 
as a Placeholder as well. There's a bug about this that has a long discussion 
about it. I can't find it right now. 

⁣David T. ​

On Apr 15, 2023, 3:29 AM, at 3:29 AM, Gyle McCollam  wrote:
>when you edit an account and select hidden the pop up tip/dialogue says
>"This account (and any sub-accounts) will be hidden in the account tree
>and will not appear in the popup account list in the register." (see
>photo), but they do appear in the register when selecting an account in
>the transfer column of the register.  Am I wrong in thinking this
>should not be happening?  The only way I can have them not show up is
>to make it a placeholder account.  If these should not be showing up, I
>will file a bug report.
>
>PS I tried to snip this, but the dialog/tip would disappear so I had to
>take a picture with my phone.
>
>
>Thank You,
>
>Gyle McCollam
>
>Gyle McCollam
>
>gmccol...@live.com   email
>
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Hidden Accounts

[David Carlson]

I recall reading about that here a few months ago,  so there may already be
a bug report  or it may even be corrected in release 5.0.

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023, 7:28 PM Gyle McCollam  wrote:

> when you edit an account and select hidden the pop up tip/dialogue says
> "This account (and any sub-accounts) will be hidden in the account tree and
> will not appear in the popup account list in the register." (see photo),
> but they do appear in the register when selecting an account in the
> transfer column of the register.  Am I wrong in thinking this should not be
> happening?  The only way I can have them not show up is to make it a
> placeholder account.  If these should not be showing up, I will file a bug
> report.
>
> PS I tried to snip this, but the dialog/tip would disappear so I had to
> take a picture with my phone.
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> gmccol...@live.com   email
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts still visible

[Stan Brown]

On 2022-07-20 06:57, David T. wrote:
> You have set your view preferences to display hidden accounts.
> View->Filter by {Other tab} Show hidden accounts

Ah, that was it!  Thanks, David!

> To hide an account in the drop down list, set the account to Placeholder.
> 
> 
> On July 20, 2022 4:03:40 PM GMT+03:00, Stan Brown
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2022-07-19 23:40, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> If you set an account to Hidden, it will be... hidden in the
> chart of accounts.
> 
> That seems logical, but it doesn't work that way for me in 2.6.19. I
> just checked, and all my hidden accounts still show in the Accounts
> panel. They also show up if I click the drop-down arrow in a register
> while entering a new transaction.
> 
> Is there some preference I need to set to make "Hidden" mean hidden?


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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts still visible

[David T. via gnucash-user]

BTW, this is covered in 5.4 of the Guide. 

On July 20, 2022 4:57:15 PM GMT+03:00, "David T. via gnucash-user" 
 wrote:
>You have set your view preferences to display hidden accounts. View->Filter by 
>{Other  tab} Show hidden accounts
>
>To hide an account in the drop down list, set the account to Placeholder. 
>
>
>On July 20, 2022 4:03:40 PM GMT+03:00, Stan Brown  
>wrote:
>>On 2022-07-19 23:40, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
>>> If you set an account to Hidden, it will be... hidden in the chart of 
>>> accounts. 
>>
>>That seems logical, but it doesn't work that way for me in 2.6.19. I
>>just checked, and all my hidden accounts still show in the Accounts
>>panel. They also show up if I click the drop-down arrow in a register
>>while entering a new transaction.
>>
>>Is there some preference I need to set to make "Hidden" mean hidden?
>>
>>Stan Brown
>>Tehachapi, CA, USA
>>https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts still visible

[David T. via gnucash-user]

You have set your view preferences to display hidden accounts. View->Filter by 
{Other  tab} Show hidden accounts

To hide an account in the drop down list, set the account to Placeholder. 


On July 20, 2022 4:03:40 PM GMT+03:00, Stan Brown  
wrote:
>On 2022-07-19 23:40, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
>> If you set an account to Hidden, it will be... hidden in the chart of 
>> accounts. 
>
>That seems logical, but it doesn't work that way for me in 2.6.19. I
>just checked, and all my hidden accounts still show in the Accounts
>panel. They also show up if I click the drop-down arrow in a register
>while entering a new transaction.
>
>Is there some preference I need to set to make "Hidden" mean hidden?
>
>Stan Brown
>Tehachapi, CA, USA
>https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts still visible

[Derek Atkins]

Hi,

On Wed, July 20, 2022 9:03 am, Stan Brown wrote:
> On 2022-07-19 23:40, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
>> If you set an account to Hidden, it will be... hidden in the chart of
>> accounts.
>
> That seems logical, but it doesn't work that way for me in 2.6.19. I
> just checked, and all my hidden accounts still show in the Accounts
> panel. They also show up if I click the drop-down arrow in a register
> while entering a new transaction.

I don't think anyone can talk to 2.6.19 -- that code is like a decade old!

Hidden is supposed to hide the account from the Chart of Accounts. 
However it will still be available in the drop-down for transactions. 
Placeholder accounts will be removed from the drop-down, but still visible
in the CoA.

> Is there some preference I need to set to make "Hidden" mean hidden?

If you want to remove the account from the CoA *AND* the drop-down, you
need to mark it both Hidden and Placeholder.

> Stan Brown
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[GNC] Hidden accounts still visible

[Stan Brown]

On 2022-07-19 23:40, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> If you set an account to Hidden, it will be... hidden in the chart of 
> accounts. 

That seems logical, but it doesn't work that way for me in 2.6.19. I
just checked, and all my hidden accounts still show in the Accounts
panel. They also show up if I click the drop-down arrow in a register
while entering a new transaction.

Is there some preference I need to set to make "Hidden" mean hidden?

Stan Brown
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts appear in popups

[D. via gnucash-user]

That's always been true, and it's not a bug. As noted in the comments of the 
bug I cited, "Placeholder" might better be considered and named "Read Only."


 Original Message 
From: Adrien Monteleone 
Sent: Mon Feb 15 17:05:18 EST 2021
To: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts appear in popups

You can mark an account that contains transactions as a placeholder? I 
didn't think that was possible. Sounds like another bug.

Regards,
Adrien

On 2/14/21 10:22 PM, D. via gnucash-user wrote:
> Yep. That's how it is. To hide accounts in the popup, you also have to set it 
> as a placeholder. Cf. https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397135

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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts appear in popups

[Adrien Monteleone]

Neat. I learn something new. Thanks!

Regards,
Adrien

On 2/14/21 11:20 PM, D. via gnucash-user wrote:

I'll mention that you can add both the hidden and the placeholder columns onto 
your Chart of Accounts window. They appear as check boxes, and you can change 
their values directly by clicking them in the window. Thus, you can quickly set 
both these flags from that screen. Note that if your CoA is using the defaults, 
once you click the hidden check box, your account will disappear. You can 
address this by setting the filter to show hidden accounts. Perhaps this will 
be less painful...


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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts appear in popups

[Adrien Monteleone]

You can mark an account that contains transactions as a placeholder? I 
didn't think that was possible. Sounds like another bug.


Regards,
Adrien

On 2/14/21 10:22 PM, D. via gnucash-user wrote:

Yep. That's how it is. To hide accounts in the popup, you also have to set it 
as a placeholder. Cf. https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397135


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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts appear in popups

[Bill Wohler]

I did? Still a great idea :-).

David Carlson  wrote:

> Well, it has only been 10 years since you(Bill) suggested renaming the 
> placeholder column to Read-Only.  
> 
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 11:11 PM Bill Wohler  wrote:
> 
>  Thanks for the confirmation, David. This does seems like a bug to be
>  fixed someday...
> 
>  D.  wrote:
> 
>  > Yep. That's how it is. To hide accounts in the popup, you also have to set 
> it as a placeholder. Cf.
>  https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397135
>  > 
>  > David
>  > 
>  > 
>  >  Original Message 
>  > From: Bill Wohler 
>  > Sent: Sun Feb 14 19:03:09 EST 2021
>  > To: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org
>  > Subject: [GNC] Hidden accounts appear in popups
>  > 
>  > The documentation says that, "The check box Hidden marks this account
>  > (and any sub-accounts) to be hidden in the account tree and not appear
>  > in the pop-up account list in the register."
>  > 
>  > However, hidden accounts are still appearing in the account pop-up for
>  > me (version 4.4).
>  > 
>  > Is this a known bug? I read about marking all of the hidden accounts
>  > with placeholder, but this is a pain. It also appears you still have to
>  > mark all subaccounts as hidden and placeholder as well, which is a pain.
>  > 
>  > One click on the Hidden box in the parent account should be all it takes
>  > to make the account go away until summoned by the Filter By > Other >
>  > Show hidden accounts option.
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts appear in popups

[David Carlson]

Well, it has only been 10 years since you(Bill) suggested renaming the
placeholder column to Read-Only.

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 11:11 PM Bill Wohler  wrote:

> Thanks for the confirmation, David. This does seems like a bug to be
> fixed someday...
>
> D.  wrote:
>
> > Yep. That's how it is. To hide accounts in the popup, you also have to
> set it as a placeholder. Cf.
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397135
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > From: Bill Wohler 
> > Sent: Sun Feb 14 19:03:09 EST 2021
> > To: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org
> > Subject: [GNC] Hidden accounts appear in popups
> >
> > The documentation says that, "The check box Hidden marks this account
> > (and any sub-accounts) to be hidden in the account tree and not appear
> > in the pop-up account list in the register."
> >
> > However, hidden accounts are still appearing in the account pop-up for
> > me (version 4.4).
> >
> > Is this a known bug? I read about marking all of the hidden accounts
> > with placeholder, but this is a pain. It also appears you still have to
> > mark all subaccounts as hidden and placeholder as well, which is a pain.
> >
> > One click on the Hidden box in the parent account should be all it takes
> > to make the account go away until summoned by the Filter By > Other >
> > Show hidden accounts option.
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts appear in popups

[D. via gnucash-user]

I'll mention that you can add both the hidden and the placeholder columns onto 
your Chart of Accounts window. They appear as check boxes, and you can change 
their values directly by clicking them in the window. Thus, you can quickly set 
both these flags from that screen. Note that if your CoA is using the defaults, 
once you click the hidden check box, your account will disappear. You can 
address this by setting the filter to show hidden accounts. Perhaps this will 
be less painful...

Cheers, 
David T. 


 Original Message 
From: Bill Wohler 
Sent: Mon Feb 15 00:10:03 EST 2021
To: "D." 
Cc: GnuCash-User 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts appear in popups

Thanks for the confirmation, David. This does seems like a bug to be
fixed someday...

D.  wrote:

> Yep. That's how it is. To hide accounts in the popup, you also have to set it 
> as a placeholder. Cf. https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397135
> 
> David
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> From: Bill Wohler 
> Sent: Sun Feb 14 19:03:09 EST 2021
> To: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org
> Subject: [GNC] Hidden accounts appear in popups
> 
> The documentation says that, "The check box Hidden marks this account
> (and any sub-accounts) to be hidden in the account tree and not appear
> in the pop-up account list in the register."
> 
> However, hidden accounts are still appearing in the account pop-up for
> me (version 4.4).
> 
> Is this a known bug? I read about marking all of the hidden accounts
> with placeholder, but this is a pain. It also appears you still have to
> mark all subaccounts as hidden and placeholder as well, which is a pain.
> 
> One click on the Hidden box in the parent account should be all it takes
> to make the account go away until summoned by the Filter By > Other >
> Show hidden accounts option.
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts appear in popups

[Bill Wohler]

Thanks for the confirmation, David. This does seems like a bug to be
fixed someday...

D.  wrote:

> Yep. That's how it is. To hide accounts in the popup, you also have to set it 
> as a placeholder. Cf. https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397135
> 
> David
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> From: Bill Wohler 
> Sent: Sun Feb 14 19:03:09 EST 2021
> To: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org
> Subject: [GNC] Hidden accounts appear in popups
> 
> The documentation says that, "The check box Hidden marks this account
> (and any sub-accounts) to be hidden in the account tree and not appear
> in the pop-up account list in the register."
> 
> However, hidden accounts are still appearing in the account pop-up for
> me (version 4.4).
> 
> Is this a known bug? I read about marking all of the hidden accounts
> with placeholder, but this is a pain. It also appears you still have to
> mark all subaccounts as hidden and placeholder as well, which is a pain.
> 
> One click on the Hidden box in the parent account should be all it takes
> to make the account go away until summoned by the Filter By > Other >
> Show hidden accounts option.
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts appear in popups

[D. via gnucash-user]

Yep. That's how it is. To hide accounts in the popup, you also have to set it 
as a placeholder. Cf. https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397135

David


 Original Message 
From: Bill Wohler 
Sent: Sun Feb 14 19:03:09 EST 2021
To: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org
Subject: [GNC] Hidden accounts appear in popups

The documentation says that, "The check box Hidden marks this account
(and any sub-accounts) to be hidden in the account tree and not appear
in the pop-up account list in the register."

However, hidden accounts are still appearing in the account pop-up for
me (version 4.4).

Is this a known bug? I read about marking all of the hidden accounts
with placeholder, but this is a pain. It also appears you still have to
mark all subaccounts as hidden and placeholder as well, which is a pain.

One click on the Hidden box in the parent account should be all it takes
to make the account go away until summoned by the Filter By > Other >
Show hidden accounts option.

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[GNC] Hidden accounts appear in popups

[Bill Wohler]

The documentation says that, "The check box Hidden marks this account
(and any sub-accounts) to be hidden in the account tree and not appear
in the pop-up account list in the register."

However, hidden accounts are still appearing in the account pop-up for
me (version 4.4).

Is this a known bug? I read about marking all of the hidden accounts
with placeholder, but this is a pain. It also appears you still have to
mark all subaccounts as hidden and placeholder as well, which is a pain.

One click on the Hidden box in the parent account should be all it takes
to make the account go away until summoned by the Filter By > Other >
Show hidden accounts option.

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Re: [GNC] Hidden Accounts

[Bruce Irving via gnucash-user]

Thank you, David.  I can now see the current assets.

Bruce Preach the Gospel wherever you go.  If necessary, use words. 

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 2:57:50 PM MDT, David Carlson 
 wrote:  
 
 In  it states 
:The Hidden check box hides an account (and any sub-accounts) in the account 
tree. To reset this option, you will first need to open the View → Filter By... 
dialog for the account tree and check the Show hidden accounts option. Doing so 
will allow you to select the account and reopen this dialog. While this is in 
the help manual for the current version, I happen to knw that area has not 
changed.

Does that answer your question?
David Carlson

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 3:40 PM Bruce Irving via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

I am useing GC 2.6.19 in Widows 10.Recently, I clicked Hidden on a placeholder 
account in an attempt to keep the operator from trying to post to it.  WRONG! 
Now, not only is the place holder invisible, but all of its sub-accountsHow do 
I make it visible again?Bruce
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Re: [GNC] Hidden Accounts

[David Carlson]

In  it
states : The *Hidden* check box hides an account (and any sub-accounts) in
the account tree. To reset this option, you will first need to open the
*View* → *Filter By...* dialog for the account tree and check the *Show
hidden accounts* option. Doing so will allow you to select the account and
reopen this dialog. While this is in the help manual for the current
version, I happen to knw that area has not changed.

Does that answer your question?

David Carlson

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 3:40 PM Bruce Irving via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> I am useing GC 2.6.19 in Widows 10.Recently, I clicked Hidden on a
> placeholder account in an attempt to keep the operator from trying to post
> to it.  WRONG! Now, not only is the place holder invisible, but all of its
> sub-accountsHow do I make it visible again?Bruce
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Re: [GNC] Hidden Accounts

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Relevent Help Manual section
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-help/account-options.html



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Re: [GNC] Hidden Accounts

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Bruce

In the accounts tab from the menu select View->Filter By and click on the
Other tab and check SHow Hidden Accounts

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[GNC] Hidden Accounts

[Bruce Irving via gnucash-user]

I am useing GC 2.6.19 in Widows 10.Recently, I clicked Hidden on a placeholder 
account in an attempt to keep the operator from trying to post to it.  WRONG! 
Now, not only is the place holder invisible, but all of its sub-accountsHow do 
I make it visible again?Bruce
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts in account drop down list [Solved]

[David Lynch via gnucash-user]

Many thanks.
On 10/11/2018 14:41, Derek Atkins wrote:

Hidden has nothing to do with the drop down.
Use placeholder to keep an account out of the drop down.

-derek
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On November 10, 2018 9:33:13 AM David Lynch via gnucash-user 
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   Some of my hidden accounts appear in the account drop down list,
others do not. Why?

    I think it is those that I have hidden most recently that appear.
I'd prefer no hidden accounts to appear in the account drop down list.

Windows 10

Version: 3.3
Build ID: 3.3+ (2018-09-29) ... behaviour was the same in 3.2

David Lynch

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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts in account drop down list

[Derek Atkins]

Hidden has nothing to do with the drop down.
Use placeholder to keep an account out of the drop down.

-derek
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On November 10, 2018 9:33:13 AM David Lynch via gnucash-user 
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   Some of my hidden accounts appear in the account drop down list,
others do not. Why?

I think it is those that I have hidden most recently that appear.
I'd prefer no hidden accounts to appear in the account drop down list.

Windows 10

Version: 3.3
Build ID: 3.3+ (2018-09-29) ... behaviour was the same in 3.2

David Lynch

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[GNC] Hidden accounts in account drop down list

[David Lynch via gnucash-user]

    Some of my hidden accounts appear in the account drop down list, 
others do not. Why?


    I think it is those that I have hidden most recently that appear. 
I'd prefer no hidden accounts to appear in the account drop down list.


Windows 10

Version: 3.3
Build ID: 3.3+ (2018-09-29) ... behaviour was the same in 3.2

David Lynch

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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts and balances

[Liz]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 10:21:34 -0500
Bridgit Griffin  wrote:

> For sanity's sake I imported the Quicken file into another financial 
> program and the results were similar to what is in Quicken. There
> were many many more accounts that are closed (aka zeroed balances)
> that GNUcash was reporting differently. And if the account had a
> balance when I selected closed in the new software that account was
> removed from the balances. I think it is in the importing process
> that causes many issues as categories and certain transactions were
> broken out into their own accounts. Looking like I'll forgo GNUCash
> for now. Thank you for all the input.


Just to think more deeply about this

There are some things in Quicken-type accounting which are apparently
balanced but are not in true double entry accounting (yes, I did use
Quicken once)

There are things which are difficult to sort out after an import
Small incremental imports and data correction from the source
may be needed

If you have used a work-around (in this example hiding a joint account
balance when circumstances changed, rather than making an entry to
close the account) everything will be laid bare when you go to double
entry accounting.

Lastly
Professional advice on how to set up your books and how to handle odd
situations (like the example above) can often save a lot of your own
time. To me, with an income, it is worthwhile paying for such advice.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts and balances

[David Cousens]

Bridgit,

The hidden feature in GnuCash simply means that the account will not be
visible in the Account Tree (and any popup selection menus ? - see below),
not that the account is inactive, and not in use at all and is effectively
removed from the account tree.

A hidden account can still have transactions which target the account, its
balance still sums into any parent accounts. It is primarily a convenience
to simplify the account tree presentation and selection popups. This is an
exerpt from the help manual on creating accounts
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-help/acct-create.html

"The Placeholder check-box sets an account to read-only status and prevents
the addition of transaction data to the account.

Note
Setting an account to Placeholder will also hide that account in the pop-up
account list in a register. Sub-accounts to the placeholder account will
still display in the pop-up, however.

The Hidden check box hides an account (and any sub-accounts) in the account
tree. To reset this option, you will first need to open the View → Filter
By... dialog for the account tree and check the Show hidden accounts option.
Doing so will allow you to select the account and reopen this dialog.

Note
Hidden accounts still appear in the pop-up account list in a register. To
remove an account from this pop-up account list as well, check the
Placeholder check box."

It is also worth noting here that an account which has transactions into it
can be set as a placeholder, i.e. readonly and the existing transactions can
remain, it still has a balance associated with those transactions and
itsbalance should also include the sum of any child accounts as well as any
transactions to the placeholder itself.

If you want to remove an account from the account tree completely the Delete
Account option in the popup menu which appears when you right click on an
account in the account tree presents you with a dialog which will transfer
the transactions in the account to another specified account before deleting
the account.

David Cousens




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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts and balances

[Bridgit Griffin]

For sanity's sake I imported the Quicken file into another financial 
program and the results were similar to what is in Quicken. There were 
many many more accounts that are closed (aka zeroed balances) that 
GNUcash was reporting differently. And if the account had a balance when 
I selected closed in the new software that account was removed from the 
balances. I think it is in the importing process that causes many issues 
as categories and certain transactions were broken out into their own 
accounts. Looking like I'll forgo GNUCash for now. Thank you for all the 
input.



On 8/10/18 4:30 AM, Colin Law wrote:

I would have expected a closed account to have a zero balance.

Colin

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 09:51, Bridgit Griffin 
mailto:bridgitgrif...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I recently imported 20 years of financial data. The issue I'm
facing is
that marking an account as hidden doesn't remove the balance from the
total of the higher level accounts. Such that only active (unhidden)
accounts are reflected in totals. Being accustom to Quicken that did
have this feature either through a close option or hiding the account
removed any of the balances in those accounts from totals. I can't be
the first person who has encountered this, but searching didn't
produce
any relevant results. Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you.

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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts and balances

[Adrien Monteleone]

> On Aug 10, 2018, at 8:43 AM, Bridgit Griffin  wrote:
> 
> It’s a nice way to handle joint accounts that are no longer joint yet open.

If you control those funds, certainly you wouldn’t want to hide them.

If you don’t control the funds, as noted, you should zero and then hide the 
account as those aren’t your assets any longer.


> Also, for handling very old accounts not reconciled that are closed.

Reconcile the account, balance it out. Hide it. I created several Miscellaneous 
expense accounts, one of which is “Balancing” for just such a purpose where 
nothing else makes sense. (and yes, sometimes I credit Miscellaneous:Balancing, 
and sometimes I debit it depending on what needed to be done to bring the other 
account into balance)


> Plus
> during the import process from Quicken lots of transactions were removed
> from accounts.

If transactions were removed from accounts, the import is not yet complete or 
needs to be redone.

Without those transactions, the affected accounts are in error and won’t 
balance.


> For example, anything that says cash or salary. As you all
> know Quicken allows for categories that GNUcash makes into accounts.
> They're not really accounts so what is getting closed? It was a category in
> Quicken.

If non-accounts were created out of categories yet the transactions do properly 
exist where they belong, then delete the extra entries if not those entire 
accounts. They were never real and shouldn’t exist. Your books (especially your 
balance sheet and likely income statement) would be forever off otherwise 
because you’d effectively have duplicated transactions.

Regards,
Adrien
> 
> Why offer hidden when it's not?
> 
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 8:19 AM Maf. King  wrote:
> 
>> Sounds like a bug or mis-feature in quicken to me.  I think I'd prefer
>> that my
>> accounts package didn't hide money from me.
>> 
>> Seriously, though thinking about it for a second, what financial
>> institution
>> would allow you to close an account you held with them and leave a running
>> balance for the rest of eternity?  (apologies to those planning a meal at
>> the
>> Restaurant at the End of the Universe as featured in Hitchhikers Guide to
>> the
>> Galaxy)
>> 
>> If you're hiding an Income / Expense account then surely you don't want to
>> regard that money as no longer earned / spent? It would throw everything
>> out
>> of whack, IMHO.
>> 
>> 0.02
>> Maf.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, 10 August 2018 14:11:15 BST Bridgit Griffin wrote:
>>> No not all have zero balances. However, Quicken allows the account to be
>>> treated as if that is the case. It seems the hidden function in GNUcash
>>> doesn't function the same way.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 4:30 AM Colin Law  wrote:
 I would have expected a closed account to have a zero balance.
 
 Colin
 
 On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 09:51, Bridgit Griffin <
>> bridgitgrif...@gmail.com>
 
 wrote:
> I recently imported 20 years of financial data. The issue I'm facing
>> is
> that marking an account as hidden doesn't remove the balance from the
> total of the higher level accounts. Such that only active (unhidden)
> accounts are reflected in totals. Being accustom to Quicken that did
> have this feature either through a close option or hiding the account
> removed any of the balances in those accounts from totals. I can't be
> the first person who has encountered this, but searching didn't
>> produce
> any relevant results. Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you.
> 
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts and balances

[Derek Atkins]

Bridgit Griffin  writes:

> It's a nice way to handle joint accounts that are no longer joint yet open.
> Also, for handling very old accounts not reconciled that are closed. Plus
> during the import process from Quicken lots of transactions were removed
> from accounts. For example, anything that says cash or salary. As you all
> know Quicken allows for categories that GNUcash makes into accounts.
> They're not really accounts so what is getting closed? It was a category in
> Quicken.
>
> Why offer hidden when it's not?

It is hidden -- you wont see the account listed in the Chart of Accounts.
Youre hiding the ACCOUNT, you're not hiding the transactions stored therein.

In the case of a joint account that's no longer joint -- what happened
to the remaining funds in the account?  If you no longer have access to
them then you should remove them from your books in some appropriate way
(taking the account down to zero).

The fact that the account remains open is irrelevant if the funds are
not yours.

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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts and balances

[Colin Law]

If they are accounts that no longer have any value (monetarily I mean) but
when you look at the account it says it has a value then your accounts are
in error.  Add a transaction to bring the value to zero.

Colin

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 14:43, Bridgit Griffin 
wrote:

> It's a nice way to handle joint accounts that are no longer joint yet
> open. Also, for handling very old accounts not reconciled that are closed.
> Plus during the import process from Quicken lots of transactions were
> removed from accounts. For example, anything that says cash or salary. As
> you all know Quicken allows for categories that GNUcash makes into
> accounts. They're not really accounts so what is getting closed? It was a
> category in Quicken.
>
> Why offer hidden when it's not?
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 8:19 AM Maf. King  wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a bug or mis-feature in quicken to me.  I think I'd prefer
>> that my
>> accounts package didn't hide money from me.
>>
>> Seriously, though thinking about it for a second, what financial
>> institution
>> would allow you to close an account you held with them and leave a
>> running
>> balance for the rest of eternity?  (apologies to those planning a meal at
>> the
>> Restaurant at the End of the Universe as featured in Hitchhikers Guide to
>> the
>> Galaxy)
>>
>> If you're hiding an Income / Expense account then surely you don't want
>> to
>> regard that money as no longer earned / spent? It would throw everything
>> out
>> of whack, IMHO.
>>
>> 0.02
>> Maf.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 10 August 2018 14:11:15 BST Bridgit Griffin wrote:
>> > No not all have zero balances. However, Quicken allows the account to be
>> > treated as if that is the case. It seems the hidden function in GNUcash
>> > doesn't function the same way.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 4:30 AM Colin Law  wrote:
>> > > I would have expected a closed account to have a zero balance.
>> > >
>> > > Colin
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 09:51, Bridgit Griffin <
>> bridgitgrif...@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >> I recently imported 20 years of financial data. The issue I'm facing
>> is
>> > >> that marking an account as hidden doesn't remove the balance from the
>> > >> total of the higher level accounts. Such that only active (unhidden)
>> > >> accounts are reflected in totals. Being accustom to Quicken that did
>> > >> have this feature either through a close option or hiding the account
>> > >> removed any of the balances in those accounts from totals. I can't be
>> > >> the first person who has encountered this, but searching didn't
>> produce
>> > >> any relevant results. Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you.
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts and balances

[Bridgit Griffin]

It's a nice way to handle joint accounts that are no longer joint yet open.
Also, for handling very old accounts not reconciled that are closed. Plus
during the import process from Quicken lots of transactions were removed
from accounts. For example, anything that says cash or salary. As you all
know Quicken allows for categories that GNUcash makes into accounts.
They're not really accounts so what is getting closed? It was a category in
Quicken.

Why offer hidden when it's not?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 8:19 AM Maf. King  wrote:

> Sounds like a bug or mis-feature in quicken to me.  I think I'd prefer
> that my
> accounts package didn't hide money from me.
>
> Seriously, though thinking about it for a second, what financial
> institution
> would allow you to close an account you held with them and leave a running
> balance for the rest of eternity?  (apologies to those planning a meal at
> the
> Restaurant at the End of the Universe as featured in Hitchhikers Guide to
> the
> Galaxy)
>
> If you're hiding an Income / Expense account then surely you don't want to
> regard that money as no longer earned / spent? It would throw everything
> out
> of whack, IMHO.
>
> 0.02
> Maf.
>
>
>
> On Friday, 10 August 2018 14:11:15 BST Bridgit Griffin wrote:
> > No not all have zero balances. However, Quicken allows the account to be
> > treated as if that is the case. It seems the hidden function in GNUcash
> > doesn't function the same way.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 4:30 AM Colin Law  wrote:
> > > I would have expected a closed account to have a zero balance.
> > >
> > > Colin
> > >
> > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 09:51, Bridgit Griffin <
> bridgitgrif...@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >> I recently imported 20 years of financial data. The issue I'm facing
> is
> > >> that marking an account as hidden doesn't remove the balance from the
> > >> total of the higher level accounts. Such that only active (unhidden)
> > >> accounts are reflected in totals. Being accustom to Quicken that did
> > >> have this feature either through a close option or hiding the account
> > >> removed any of the balances in those accounts from totals. I can't be
> > >> the first person who has encountered this, but searching didn't
> produce
> > >> any relevant results. Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you.
> > >>
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts and balances

[Maf. King]

Sounds like a bug or mis-feature in quicken to me.  I think I'd prefer that my 
accounts package didn't hide money from me.

Seriously, though thinking about it for a second, what financial institution 
would allow you to close an account you held with them and leave a running 
balance for the rest of eternity?  (apologies to those planning a meal at the 
Restaurant at the End of the Universe as featured in Hitchhikers Guide to the 
Galaxy)  

If you're hiding an Income / Expense account then surely you don't want to 
regard that money as no longer earned / spent? It would throw everything out 
of whack, IMHO.

0.02
Maf.



On Friday, 10 August 2018 14:11:15 BST Bridgit Griffin wrote:
> No not all have zero balances. However, Quicken allows the account to be
> treated as if that is the case. It seems the hidden function in GNUcash
> doesn't function the same way.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 4:30 AM Colin Law  wrote:
> > I would have expected a closed account to have a zero balance.
> > 
> > Colin
> > 
> > On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 09:51, Bridgit Griffin 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >> I recently imported 20 years of financial data. The issue I'm facing is
> >> that marking an account as hidden doesn't remove the balance from the
> >> total of the higher level accounts. Such that only active (unhidden)
> >> accounts are reflected in totals. Being accustom to Quicken that did
> >> have this feature either through a close option or hiding the account
> >> removed any of the balances in those accounts from totals. I can't be
> >> the first person who has encountered this, but searching didn't produce
> >> any relevant results. Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you.
> >> 
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts and balances

[Bridgit Griffin]

No not all have zero balances. However, Quicken allows the account to be
treated as if that is the case. It seems the hidden function in GNUcash
doesn't function the same way.

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 4:30 AM Colin Law  wrote:

> I would have expected a closed account to have a zero balance.
>
> Colin
>
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 09:51, Bridgit Griffin 
> wrote:
>
>> I recently imported 20 years of financial data. The issue I'm facing is
>> that marking an account as hidden doesn't remove the balance from the
>> total of the higher level accounts. Such that only active (unhidden)
>> accounts are reflected in totals. Being accustom to Quicken that did
>> have this feature either through a close option or hiding the account
>> removed any of the balances in those accounts from totals. I can't be
>> the first person who has encountered this, but searching didn't produce
>> any relevant results. Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you.
>>
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Re: [GNC] Hidden accounts and balances

[Colin Law]

I would have expected a closed account to have a zero balance.

Colin

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 09:51, Bridgit Griffin 
wrote:

> I recently imported 20 years of financial data. The issue I'm facing is
> that marking an account as hidden doesn't remove the balance from the
> total of the higher level accounts. Such that only active (unhidden)
> accounts are reflected in totals. Being accustom to Quicken that did
> have this feature either through a close option or hiding the account
> removed any of the balances in those accounts from totals. I can't be
> the first person who has encountered this, but searching didn't produce
> any relevant results. Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you.
>
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[GNC] Hidden accounts and balances

[Bridgit Griffin]

I recently imported 20 years of financial data. The issue I'm facing is 
that marking an account as hidden doesn't remove the balance from the 
total of the higher level accounts. Such that only active (unhidden) 
accounts are reflected in totals. Being accustom to Quicken that did 
have this feature either through a close option or hiding the account 
removed any of the balances in those accounts from totals. I can't be 
the first person who has encountered this, but searching didn't produce 
any relevant results. Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you.


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