Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
On 2023-04-14 12:00 PM, gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org wrote: Message: 3 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 09:48:31 -0500 From: Adrien Monteleone To: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 4/13/23 1:00 PM, NoobAlice wrote: make close-program button bigger to cover up clickable close-tab space - THE INVISIBLE CLOSE BUTTON IS STILL CLICKABLE, though this hacky stuff makes the clickable space smaller... */ There is no "close-program" 'button' save what is on the window title bar and that is only addressable by the OS itself - not GnuCash or CSS. What are you referring to? Regards, Adrien I am referring to the menu items close program File > Quit Ctrl+Q and close tab File > Close Ctrl+W. Sorry, they're not actually buttons, but it is still a problematically-clickable area. Attached are two screenshots showing: Close-fix1.png - the empty space on the toolbar with the Close button gone Close-fix2.png - the very big Quit line on the file menu with most of the Close menu item gone___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
Adrien, I believe the OP was referring to the CLOSE toolbar button to the right of the SAVE toolbar button. Cheers David H. On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 at 00:49, Adrien Monteleone < adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote: > On 4/13/23 1:00 PM, NoobAlice wrote: > > make close-program button > > bigger to cover up clickable close-tab space - THE INVISIBLE CLOSE > > BUTTON IS STILL CLICKABLE, though this hacky stuff makes the clickable > > space smaller... */ > > There is no "close-program" 'button' save what is on the window title > bar and that is only addressable by the OS itself - not GnuCash or CSS. > > What are you referring to? > > Regards, > Adrien > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
On 4/13/23 1:00 PM, NoobAlice wrote: make close-program button bigger to cover up clickable close-tab space - THE INVISIBLE CLOSE BUTTON IS STILL CLICKABLE, though this hacky stuff makes the clickable space smaller... */ There is no "close-program" 'button' save what is on the window title bar and that is only addressable by the OS itself - not GnuCash or CSS. What are you referring to? Regards, Adrien ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
I can't help with the "pin tab" idea, but for those who want to keep the
toolbar around, I've come up with an admittedly-hacky way to hide the
"Close [tab]" toolbar button. I also have a hide for the File menu
item, but it still leaves a small, clickable area that will close a tab,
unfortunately.
Remember that any errors in a .css file for GTK programs will cause the
entire thing to be ignored. :(
I've only tested on my own Linux computer. The 6000 pixels measurements
are just to be bigger than any monitor so you don't have a close button
floating off to the side. :)
If anyone has more elegant CSS for this, please do share!
In Linux, I add the following to my ~/.config/gnucash/gtk-3.0.css file,
saved it, then restarted GnuCash. Your file will be (or can be created)
in the "GNC_USERCONFIG_DIR:" path shown in Help > About GnuCash.
For anyone wanting to play around further and using Linux,
'GTK_DEBUG=interactive gnucash' entered in the terminal opens a handy
little GTK Inspector program.
/* Remove close-tab button on toolbar - the hover text will still show
up, but this seems to make the button unclickable */
#ToolbarClose *
{
margin-left: 6000px;
margin-right: -6000px;
}
/* Remove close-tab button in File menu and make close-program button
bigger to cover up clickable close-tab space - THE INVISIBLE CLOSE
BUTTON IS STILL CLICKABLE, though this hacky stuff makes the clickable
space smaller... */
#FileClose,
#FileClose *
{
margin-left: 6000px;
margin-right: -6000px;
font-size: 0px;
padding: 0px;
}
#FileQuit,
#FileQuit *
{
margin-top: -20px;
margin-bottom: 0px;
}
On 2023-04-12 01:51 PM, gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org wrote:
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 16:07:38 +
From: Gyle McCollam
To: G R Hewitt
Cc: David T. , "gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org"
, Adrien Monteleone
Subject: Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
You're very welcome, but as Stan correctly pointed out that doesn't solve the
"problem" of the toolbar icon closing a tab when a lot of people ass/u/me that
it will close the program.
Thank You,
Gyle McCollam
Gyle McCollam
gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com> email
From: G R Hewitt
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 11:51 AM
To: Gyle McCollam
Cc: David T. ; gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org
; Adrien Monteleone
Subject: Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
Gyles, sir, you win the cigar (or prize of preference).
What's annoying is I looked there, but just didn't see it.
Thank you so much.
On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 15:40, Gyle McCollam
mailto:gmccol...@live.com>> wrote:
You can remove the "X" on the tabs to prevent accidental closing. Under
Edit/Preference/Windows and the section labeled Tabs. Just click on box to remove the check on
"Show close on notebook tabs". Then you shouldn't be able to close accidentally.
Thank You,
Gyle McCollam
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gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com> email
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That's an interesting question. When I first came to Gnucash about 10 years ago, I was (very) used to Quicken, which keeps everything in the same window. I still happily use Quicken for several sets of books, and I have no problem with its single-window paradigm. While exploring Gnucash's options, I found Gnucash's "hybrid" mode (registers in separate windows, everything else in a single main window) and found it greatly pleasing. But I don't remember exactly why. It may be because I can enter complex splits while having the CoA (or Income Statement) displayed in an adjacent window, or because I like my "permanent" tabs (various reports, mostly) available on the tab bar uncluttered by transient register tabs coming and going. I'm intrigued enough by the question that I've set it back to single-window mode to see what bugs me. I'll let you know what I find. Paul -Original Message- From: gnucash-user On Behalf Of Adrien Monteleone Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 9:53 PM To: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items I'm curious how separate windows for registers is advantageous over separate tabs. I routinely keep several registers open as well as reports - all in tabs, and can easily switch between them. I've never found a point where I'd like, or need, to see two tabs (and thus windows) simultaneously. That's just a curiosity. I can see that if you need, or prefer working with separate windows, however, there should be a way to get everything to re-open on a subsequent launch. Regards, Adrien On 4/11/23 5:23 PM, Paul Kroitor wrote: > Perhaps the OP's issue is variation of a slightly different issue that > I've asked about in the past. > > I have Gnucash set so the tabs are across the top, and reports open as > additional tabs in the main window. I can open and configure many > reports during a session, and these reports survive a close and > re-open. Thus I configure each set of books to have all my favourite > reports and graphs available immediately upon opening the file. > > BUT I have my registers set to open in separate windows (so I can work > in more than one at a time). The upshot is that if I close all the > register windows first, and then the main window (the one with the > Chart of Accounts, reports, graphs, etc), it all works as intended. > > However, if one of the register windows is still open somewhere -- > hidden behind another app, perhaps -- when I close the main window, > everything is catastrophically lost. Reopening the file opens only the > straggling register window and I have to re-establish a Chart of > Accounts tab, and then labouriously reconstruct all the reports and > graphs I like. > > I've been meaning to code a warning upon close if the main window (the > window including the Chart of Accounts tab) is ever closed when other > floating windows are still open, as this presumably would never happen > on purpose -- perhaps I will get to it one of these months as it > drives me crazy. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:32:58 +0100 G R Hewitt wrote: > I agree with others that the 'Close' button could be moved, or better > still done away with, I think it serves no useful purpose. Perhaps > change it to 'Quit GnuCash' and really quit the program - on MacOS > the red 'dot' does not always quit a program - with a confirmation > dialogue window. But that is another matter, and what I am concerned > with is my original question and the possibility of GnuCash being > enable to do this, or not, and if not is it possible to add it at > some point. Can you now put a request on the bugtracker for an enhancement? Here's the wiki entry with some instructions https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Bugzilla Liz ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
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Yes, I always use File->Quit to quit the program (in fact, I don't like the move toward removing this option and just hitting the "X"). I use the "X" to close tabs all the time in GnuCash... I didn't even know that there was a menu item. I've never confused the tab close button with anything else. I guess I've just trained myself to keep these actions separated. On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:39 PM Robert Heller wrote: > I don't know about either MacOSX or MS-Windows, but there is a "Quit" item > on > the File menu that does in fact quit the program. > > At Wed, 12 Apr 2023 18:07:22 +0100 G R Hewitt wrote: > > > > > > I agree with others that the 'Close' button could be moved, or better > > still > > > done away with, I think it serves no useful purpose. Perhaps change it > to > > > 'Quit GnuCash' and really quit the program > > > > That button does *not* 'Quit GnuCash' and is not anywhere described as > > such. It closes the active tab only. It does not say 'Quit' it says > > 'Close', but I do think it could be more clear and instead say: 'Close > Tab'. > > > > > > Yes I know, I was making a suggestion to change it's function to quitting > > the program fully. > > Apologies if I failed to make that clear. In MacOS not all programs quit > > when > > clicking the red button, they stay active but not visible. > > 'Close Tab' would be an acceptable change too - making clear what the > > button does close. > > > > Regards G > > > > On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 17:36, Adrien Monteleone < > > adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote: > > > > > On 4/12/23 9:32 AM, G R Hewitt wrote: > > > > Thanks Alan, for your suggestion. > > > > > > > > I know the tabs can be put anywhere on the four points of the > compass, > > > > and I have tried them all: I like them where they are, on the left > hand > > > > side. > > > > > > > > My question was if there was a way to lock them so that they cannot > be > > > > closed - > > > > like the original 'Accounts' page has no 'X', though additional ones > do. > > > > > > What you are describing is similar to 'pinning' tabs in web browsers. > > > > > > That would be an interesting enhancement, especially for a dashboard > > > type of report display. (there is such a sample report in the Reports > > > > Multicolumn menu) > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with others that the 'Close' button could be moved, or better > > > still > > > > done away with, I think it serves no useful purpose. Perhaps change > it to > > > > 'Quit GnuCash' and really quit the program > > > > > > That button does *not* 'Quit GnuCash' and is not anywhere described as > > > such. It closes the active tab only. It does not say 'Quit' it says > > > 'Close', but I do think it could be more clear and instead say: 'Close > > > Tab'. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Adrien > > > > > > ___ > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > - > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > > > -- > Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 > Deepwoods Software-- Custom Software Services > http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services > hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- _ Richard Losey rlo...@gmail.com Micah 6:8 ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
Me, too... I keep the main checking register tab open, along with our commonly-used credit cards. I actually didn't know one could have separate windows. The OP said that under certain circumstances, he would lose "everything" and have to re-create the Chart of Accounts That sounds pretty horrific. On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 8:53 PM Adrien Monteleone < adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote: > I'm curious how separate windows for registers is advantageous over > separate tabs. I routinely keep several registers open as well as > reports - all in tabs, and can easily switch between them. I've never > found a point where I'd like, or need, to see two tabs (and thus > windows) simultaneously. > > That's just a curiosity. > > I can see that if you need, or prefer working with separate windows, > however, there should be a way to get everything to re-open on a > subsequent launch. > > Regards, > Adrien > > On 4/11/23 5:23 PM, Paul Kroitor wrote: > > Perhaps the OP's issue is variation of a slightly different issue that > I've > > asked about in the past. > > > > I have Gnucash set so the tabs are across the top, and reports open as > > additional tabs in the main window. I can open and configure many reports > > during a session, and these reports survive a close and re-open. Thus I > > configure each set of books to have all my favourite reports and graphs > > available immediately upon opening the file. > > > > BUT I have my registers set to open in separate windows (so I can work in > > more than one at a time). The upshot is that if I close all the register > > windows first, and then the main window (the one with the Chart of > Accounts, > > reports, graphs, etc), it all works as intended. > > > > However, if one of the register windows is still open somewhere -- hidden > > behind another app, perhaps -- when I close the main window, everything > is > > catastrophically lost. Reopening the file opens only the straggling > register > > window and I have to > > re-establish a Chart of Accounts tab, and then labouriously reconstruct > all > > the reports and graphs I like. > > > > I've been meaning to code a warning upon close if the main window (the > > window including the Chart of Accounts tab) is ever closed when other > > floating windows are still open, as this presumably would never happen on > > purpose -- perhaps I will get to it one of these months as it drives me > > crazy. > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- _ Richard Losey rlo...@gmail.com Micah 6:8 ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 10:43:13 -0500 David Carlson wrote: > I think that Firefox also has a > shortcut to do the same thing, but I haven't tried to find and > memorize it. Ctrl-Shift-T is good for that in Firefox Liz ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
On 2023-04-12 10:38, Robert Heller wrote: > I don't know about either MacOSX or MS-Windows, but there is a "Quit" item on > the File menu that does in fact quit the program. Yes, it's there in Windows. (Really it should be Exit, not Quit, but that's a minor point.) Stan Brown Tehachapi, CA, USA https://BrownMath.com ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
Yes, and the red button that functions as the 'close window' action on the window title bar in MacOS, *does* entirely close GnuCash - not just the active window while leaving the app running in the background. (this is true of all of my Mac apps—I don't have any that stay running when I click that button) Regards, Adrien On 4/12/23 12:38 PM, Robert Heller wrote: I don't know about either MacOSX or MS-Windows, but there is a "Quit" item on the File menu that does in fact quit the program. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
On 4/12/23 12:25 PM, Stan Brown (using GC 2.6.19) wrote:
On 2023-04-12 09:29, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
Many browsers (if not all) long ago removed the 'close tab' button from
their toolbars because they had moved this function to each individual
tab. Perhaps it is time for GnuCash to do so as well?
Toolbars got individual close buttons long, long ago. They're in 2.6.19,
even. I'm guessing that, as I've done also, you un-ticked the
Preferences » Windows item to show those close buttons?
No, I have them on the tabs too and that's the button I use to close
them. (I never use the one on the toolbar)
I haven't seen a *web browser* with a close tab button on the *main
toolbar* in well over a decade was my point. (GnuCash still clearly has one)
I haven't touched Chrome or IE/Edge in some time, but the current
versions of Firefox, Safari & Vivaldi do not have one, and it isn't even
an option to add one when customizing the toolbar.
These are certainly the most-used 'tabbed interfaces' in existence (more
so than spreadsheets though they preceded the browser implementation)
and how they behave is likely how any new user of GnuCash would expect
its own tabbed interface to behave. Some things just evolve or hang
around long enough to become 'convention'. There should be good reasons
for not following it.
(I haven't
installed 5.0 yet,but it's the same preference in 4.13 as in 2.6.19.)
Yes, the GnuCash preference for individual tab close buttons is still
there in 5.0.
So the only change would be to remove the Close button from the top of
the client portion of the GC window. ("Client portion", in Windows
anyway, is the part inside the frame and the minimize/maximize/quit
buttons.)
That, or re-label it. But really, just removing it would be okay too.
(or as I mentioned, making it either/or - either on the toolbar, or on
the tabs)
Regards,
Adrien
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Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
I don't know about either MacOSX or MS-Windows, but there is a "Quit" item on the File menu that does in fact quit the program. At Wed, 12 Apr 2023 18:07:22 +0100 G R Hewitt wrote: > > > I agree with others that the 'Close' button could be moved, or better > still > > done away with, I think it serves no useful purpose. Perhaps change it to > > 'Quit GnuCash' and really quit the program > > That button does *not* 'Quit GnuCash' and is not anywhere described as > such. It closes the active tab only. It does not say 'Quit' it says > 'Close', but I do think it could be more clear and instead say: 'Close Tab'. > > > Yes I know, I was making a suggestion to change it's function to quitting > the program fully. > Apologies if I failed to make that clear. In MacOS not all programs quit > when > clicking the red button, they stay active but not visible. > 'Close Tab' would be an acceptable change too - making clear what the > button does close. > > Regards G > > On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 17:36, Adrien Monteleone < > adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote: > > > On 4/12/23 9:32 AM, G R Hewitt wrote: > > > Thanks Alan, for your suggestion. > > > > > > I know the tabs can be put anywhere on the four points of the compass, > > > and I have tried them all: I like them where they are, on the left hand > > > side. > > > > > > My question was if there was a way to lock them so that they cannot be > > > closed - > > > like the original 'Accounts' page has no 'X', though additional ones do. > > > > What you are describing is similar to 'pinning' tabs in web browsers. > > > > That would be an interesting enhancement, especially for a dashboard > > type of report display. (there is such a sample report in the Reports > > > Multicolumn menu) > > > > > > > > I agree with others that the 'Close' button could be moved, or better > > still > > > done away with, I think it serves no useful purpose. Perhaps change it to > > > 'Quit GnuCash' and really quit the program > > > > That button does *not* 'Quit GnuCash' and is not anywhere described as > > such. It closes the active tab only. It does not say 'Quit' it says > > 'Close', but I do think it could be more clear and instead say: 'Close > > Tab'. > > > > > > Regards, > > Adrien > > > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > -- Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software-- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
On 2023-04-12 09:29, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> Many browsers (if not all) long ago removed the 'close tab' button from
> their toolbars because they had moved this function to each individual
> tab. Perhaps it is time for GnuCash to do so as well?
Toolbars got individual close buttons long, long ago. They're in 2.6.19,
even. I'm guessing that, as I've done also, you un-ticked the
Preferences » Windows item to show those close buttons? (I haven't
installed 5.0 yet,but it's the same preference in 4.13 as in 2.6.19.)
So the only change would be to remove the Close button from the top of
the client portion of the GC window. ("Client portion", in Windows
anyway, is the part inside the frame and the minimize/maximize/quit
buttons.)
Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
> I agree with others that the 'Close' button could be moved, or better still > done away with, I think it serves no useful purpose. Perhaps change it to > 'Quit GnuCash' and really quit the program That button does *not* 'Quit GnuCash' and is not anywhere described as such. It closes the active tab only. It does not say 'Quit' it says 'Close', but I do think it could be more clear and instead say: 'Close Tab'. Yes I know, I was making a suggestion to change it's function to quitting the program fully. Apologies if I failed to make that clear. In MacOS not all programs quit when clicking the red button, they stay active but not visible. 'Close Tab' would be an acceptable change too - making clear what the button does close. Regards G On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 17:36, Adrien Monteleone < adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote: > On 4/12/23 9:32 AM, G R Hewitt wrote: > > Thanks Alan, for your suggestion. > > > > I know the tabs can be put anywhere on the four points of the compass, > > and I have tried them all: I like them where they are, on the left hand > > side. > > > > My question was if there was a way to lock them so that they cannot be > > closed - > > like the original 'Accounts' page has no 'X', though additional ones do. > > What you are describing is similar to 'pinning' tabs in web browsers. > > That would be an interesting enhancement, especially for a dashboard > type of report display. (there is such a sample report in the Reports > > Multicolumn menu) > > > > > I agree with others that the 'Close' button could be moved, or better > still > > done away with, I think it serves no useful purpose. Perhaps change it to > > 'Quit GnuCash' and really quit the program > > That button does *not* 'Quit GnuCash' and is not anywhere described as > such. It closes the active tab only. It does not say 'Quit' it says > 'Close', but I do think it could be more clear and instead say: 'Close > Tab'. > > > Regards, > Adrien > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
Indeed, Stan is right, but it has solved one aspect of it for me, as as well as clicking the big 'X', I was not averse to closing the tab by clicking the little 'x'. And while I was at it, I also closed up the side bar somewhat by reducing the character width. I've also 'Tippexed' out the big 'X' too (just joking). On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 17:07, Gyle McCollam wrote: > You're very welcome, but as Stan correctly pointed out that doesn't solve > the "problem" of the toolbar icon closing a tab when a lot of people > ass/u/me that it will close the program. > > > Thank You, > > *Gyle McCollam* > > Gyle McCollam > > gmccol...@live.comemail > -- > *From:* G R Hewitt > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 12, 2023 11:51 AM > *To:* Gyle McCollam > *Cc:* David T. ; gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org < > gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org>; Adrien Monteleone < > adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> > *Subject:* Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items > > Gyles, sir, you win the cigar (or prize of preference). > What's annoying is I looked there, but just didn't see it. > Thank you so much. > > On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 15:40, Gyle McCollam wrote: > > You can remove the "X" on the tabs to prevent accidental closing. Under > Edit/Preference/Windows and the section labeled Tabs. Just click on box to > remove the check on "Show close on notebook tabs". Then you shouldn't be > able to close accidentally. > > Thank You, > > *Gyle McCollam* > > Gyle McCollam > > gmccol...@live.comemail > -- > *From:* gnucash-user > on behalf of G R Hewitt > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 12, 2023 2:19 AM > *To:* David T. > *Cc:* gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org ; > Adrien Monteleone > *Subject:* Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items > > Thank you all for your considered comments and suggestions, from which I > can see that I failed to explain myself adequately, so apologies there. > > What I want to be able to do is to ‘lock’ the tabs I open so that they > cannot be closed with out first being ‘unlocked’. > > Perhaps a little padlock icon that would replace the ‘X’ when locked - > similar to programs that use ‘layers’, like Photoshop for example. > > In this way one would be unable to accidentality close a tab and perhaps > lose settings. > > > Regards, GH > > On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 04:41, David T. via gnucash-user < > gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote: > > > Honestly, the button could be removed altogether in my opinion. The close > > "X" on tabs is pretty standard in other apps, and has the benefit of > being > > a direct action that most users understand intuitively. > > > > David T. > > > > On Apr 12, 2023, 1:07 AM, at 1:07 AM, Adrien Monteleone < > > adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote: > > >I agree, the button could be more precise in its label. > > > > > >The tool tip in the status bar on hovering that button says, "close the > > > > > >currently active page". > > > > > >The functionality of that button and the entire toolbar (the UI really) > > > > > >is also covered in the Manual. > > > > > >I'd say this is a, "read the manual" sort of problem and GnuCash is > > >working as intended. > > > > > >Regards, > > >Adrien > > > > > >On 4/11/23 4:12 PM, Gyle McCollam wrote: > > >> The button in the toolbar should say "Close Tab", that would make it > > >clearer. In windows, the OP should get used to closing Gnucash with > > >the "X" in the upper right corner. As for the tabs, under > > >Edit/Preferences/Windows and then the heading Tabs you can select to > > >put a "Close Button" actually an "X" on each tab to close that tab. > > >That way you don't have to memorize Crtl+W or Alt+F4, not that it is > > >that difficult. > > > > > >___ > > >gnucash-user mailing list > > >gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > >To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > >https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > >- > > >Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > >You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/l
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
On 4/12/23 9:32 AM, G R Hewitt wrote: Thanks Alan, for your suggestion. I know the tabs can be put anywhere on the four points of the compass, and I have tried them all: I like them where they are, on the left hand side. My question was if there was a way to lock them so that they cannot be closed - like the original 'Accounts' page has no 'X', though additional ones do. What you are describing is similar to 'pinning' tabs in web browsers. That would be an interesting enhancement, especially for a dashboard type of report display. (there is such a sample report in the Reports > Multicolumn menu) I agree with others that the 'Close' button could be moved, or better still done away with, I think it serves no useful purpose. Perhaps change it to 'Quit GnuCash' and really quit the program That button does *not* 'Quit GnuCash' and is not anywhere described as such. It closes the active tab only. It does not say 'Quit' it says 'Close', but I do think it could be more clear and instead say: 'Close Tab'. Regards, Adrien ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
On 4/12/23 10:03 AM, Stan Brown wrote: On 2023-04-12 07:32, G R Hewitt wrote: I agree with others that the 'Close' button could be moved, or better still done away with, I think it serves no useful purpose. Perhaps change it to 'Quit GnuCash' I would not support the latter. There's already a _standard_ mouse click to quit GnuCash; it's the X at the top right of the window, which is standard for programs in Microsoft Windows. We don't need to waste screen real estate on a second button to do the same thing. Not only that, the toolbar button is not duplicative of the close button on the window. Its function is *not* to close the app, but to close the active tab. I would support changing its label to 'Close Tab' for clarity. Many browsers (if not all) long ago removed the 'close tab' button from their toolbars because they had moved this function to each individual tab. Perhaps it is time for GnuCash to do so as well? Folks will generally expect apps that manage tabs to work in a similar fashion to each other. If there is a good reason not to, so be it, but I can't see the harm in removing the button entirely or making it optional like the close buttons for the individual tabs. (or perhaps make that existing option an either/or - either put the close button on the toolbar *or* the individual tabs, and set the default to individual tabs.) (I would assume that the standard close button is also present in GnuCash in Linux and MacOS.) Yes, both have standard window/app close buttons (and the same keyboard shortcut) by default. Regards, Adrien ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-T will get your last closed tab back. (personally, I'd find it easier to remember Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-W since Ctrl/Cmd-W is what closed it, shifting would reverse that action, similar to TAB & Shift-TAB in other contexts, but since Ctrl/Cmd-T opens a new tab, I can sort of see why that combo was chosen as an 'undo' action.) Yes, that would be nice in GnuCash. Regards, Adrien On 4/12/23 10:43 AM, David Carlson wrote: I finally found a need to join this discussion. I just accidentally used 'Ctrl-W' in Firefox, closing the GMail tab instead of searching for that string in this discussion. Because I have closed tabs accidentally several times in Firefox in the past, I already know that I can go to the history page, find that tab and re-open it. I think that Firefox also has a shortcut to do the same thing, but I haven't tried to find and memorize it. I want to suggest adding a similar feature to Gnucash to undo actions like closing tabs. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
You're very welcome, but as Stan correctly pointed out that doesn't solve the "problem" of the toolbar icon closing a tab when a lot of people ass/u/me that it will close the program. Thank You, Gyle McCollam Gyle McCollam gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com> email From: G R Hewitt Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 11:51 AM To: Gyle McCollam Cc: David T. ; gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org ; Adrien Monteleone Subject: Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items Gyles, sir, you win the cigar (or prize of preference). What's annoying is I looked there, but just didn't see it. Thank you so much. On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 15:40, Gyle McCollam mailto:gmccol...@live.com>> wrote: You can remove the "X" on the tabs to prevent accidental closing. Under Edit/Preference/Windows and the section labeled Tabs. Just click on box to remove the check on "Show close on notebook tabs". Then you shouldn't be able to close accidentally. Thank You, Gyle McCollam Gyle McCollam gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com> email From: gnucash-user mailto:gmail@gnucash.org>> on behalf of G R Hewitt mailto:hewit...@gmail.com>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 2:19 AM To: David T. mailto:sunfis...@yahoo.com>> Cc: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org<mailto:gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org> mailto:gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org>>; Adrien Monteleone mailto:adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items Thank you all for your considered comments and suggestions, from which I can see that I failed to explain myself adequately, so apologies there. What I want to be able to do is to ‘lock’ the tabs I open so that they cannot be closed with out first being ‘unlocked’. Perhaps a little padlock icon that would replace the ‘X’ when locked - similar to programs that use ‘layers’, like Photoshop for example. In this way one would be unable to accidentality close a tab and perhaps lose settings. Regards, GH On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 04:41, David T. via gnucash-user < gnucash-user@gnucash.org<mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> wrote: > Honestly, the button could be removed altogether in my opinion. The close > "X" on tabs is pretty standard in other apps, and has the benefit of being > a direct action that most users understand intuitively. > > David T. > > On Apr 12, 2023, 1:07 AM, at 1:07 AM, Adrien Monteleone < > adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net<mailto:adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net>> wrote: > >I agree, the button could be more precise in its label. > > > >The tool tip in the status bar on hovering that button says, "close the > > > >currently active page". > > > >The functionality of that button and the entire toolbar (the UI really) > > > >is also covered in the Manual. > > > >I'd say this is a, "read the manual" sort of problem and GnuCash is > >working as intended. > > > >Regards, > >Adrien > > > >On 4/11/23 4:12 PM, Gyle McCollam wrote: > >> The button in the toolbar should say "Close Tab", that would make it > >clearer. In windows, the OP should get used to closing Gnucash with > >the "X" in the upper right corner. As for the tabs, under > >Edit/Preferences/Windows and then the heading Tabs you can select to > >put a "Close Button" actually an "X" on each tab to close that tab. > >That way you don't have to memorize Crtl+W or Alt+F4, not that it is > >that difficult. > > > >___ > >gnucash-user mailing list > >gnucash-user@gnucash.org<mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> > >To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >- > >Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org<mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org<mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
Gyles, sir, you win the cigar (or prize of preference). What's annoying is I looked there, but just didn't see it. Thank you so much. On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 15:40, Gyle McCollam wrote: > You can remove the "X" on the tabs to prevent accidental closing. Under > Edit/Preference/Windows and the section labeled Tabs. Just click on box to > remove the check on "Show close on notebook tabs". Then you shouldn't be > able to close accidentally. > > Thank You, > > *Gyle McCollam* > > Gyle McCollam > > gmccol...@live.comemail > -- > *From:* gnucash-user > on behalf of G R Hewitt > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 12, 2023 2:19 AM > *To:* David T. > *Cc:* gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org ; > Adrien Monteleone > *Subject:* Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items > > Thank you all for your considered comments and suggestions, from which I > can see that I failed to explain myself adequately, so apologies there. > > What I want to be able to do is to ‘lock’ the tabs I open so that they > cannot be closed with out first being ‘unlocked’. > > Perhaps a little padlock icon that would replace the ‘X’ when locked - > similar to programs that use ‘layers’, like Photoshop for example. > > In this way one would be unable to accidentality close a tab and perhaps > lose settings. > > > Regards, GH > > On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 04:41, David T. via gnucash-user < > gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote: > > > Honestly, the button could be removed altogether in my opinion. The close > > "X" on tabs is pretty standard in other apps, and has the benefit of > being > > a direct action that most users understand intuitively. > > > > David T. > > > > On Apr 12, 2023, 1:07 AM, at 1:07 AM, Adrien Monteleone < > > adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote: > > >I agree, the button could be more precise in its label. > > > > > >The tool tip in the status bar on hovering that button says, "close the > > > > > >currently active page". > > > > > >The functionality of that button and the entire toolbar (the UI really) > > > > > >is also covered in the Manual. > > > > > >I'd say this is a, "read the manual" sort of problem and GnuCash is > > >working as intended. > > > > > >Regards, > > >Adrien > > > > > >On 4/11/23 4:12 PM, Gyle McCollam wrote: > > >> The button in the toolbar should say "Close Tab", that would make it > > >clearer. In windows, the OP should get used to closing Gnucash with > > >the "X" in the upper right corner. As for the tabs, under > > >Edit/Preferences/Windows and then the heading Tabs you can select to > > >put a "Close Button" actually an "X" on each tab to close that tab. > > >That way you don't have to memorize Crtl+W or Alt+F4, not that it is > > >that difficult. > > > > > >___ > > >gnucash-user mailing list > > >gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > >To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > >https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > >- > > >Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > >You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
I finally found a need to join this discussion. I just accidentally used 'Ctrl-W' in Firefox, closing the GMail tab instead of searching for that string in this discussion. Because I have closed tabs accidentally several times in Firefox in the past, I already know that I can go to the history page, find that tab and re-open it. I think that Firefox also has a shortcut to do the same thing, but I haven't tried to find and memorize it. I want to suggest adding a similar feature to Gnucash to undo actions like closing tabs. On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 10:05 AM Stan Brown wrote: > > Re-sending because I sent to the individuals instead of the list. Yes it > was my mistake, but I'm not the only one who makes that mistake, and if > the mailing list set the reply-to header that mistake would be a lot > harder to make. I know this has been discussed in the past, but I can't > remember the argument against doing that. > > == > > On 2023-04-11 20:40, David T. via gnucash-user wrote: > > Honestly, the button could be removed altogether in my opinion. The > > close "X" on tabs is pretty standard in other apps, and has the > > benefit of being a direct action that most users understand > > intuitively. > I agree wholeheartedly! While it's usually desirable to give people > multiple ways to do things, especially mouse versus keyboard, it's _not_ > desirable when one of those ways looks like it does something different > from what it actually does. > > == > > On 2023-04-12 07:40, Gyle McCollam wrote: > > You can remove the "X" on the tabs to prevent accidental closing. > > Under Edit/Preference/Windows and the section labeled Tabs. Just > > click on box to remove the check on "Show close on notebook tabs". > > Then you shouldn't be able to close accidentally. > But the OP wasn't accidentally closing via the X on the tab, rather with > the X at the top, which is marked Close. > > (I'm just clarifying. I don't support the request. If developers are to > make a change, IMHO a much better solution is David T's suggestion: > simply remove the "Close" at the top, since its effect of closing a tab > is different from what a user might reasonably expect, and there are > other ways to close a tab.) > > == > > On 2023-04-12 07:32, G R Hewitt wrote: > > I agree with others that the 'Close' button could be moved, or > > better still done away with, I think it serves no useful purpose. > > Perhaps change it to 'Quit GnuCash' > I would not support the latter. There's already a _standard_ mouse click > to quit GnuCash; it's the X at the top right of the window, which is > standard for programs in Microsoft Windows. We don't need to waste > screen real estate on a second button to do the same thing. > > (I would assume that the standard close button is also present in > GnuCash in Linux and MacOS.) > > > Stan Brown > Tehachapi, CA, USA > https://BrownMath.com > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- David Carlson ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
Re-sending because I sent to the individuals instead of the list. Yes it was my mistake, but I'm not the only one who makes that mistake, and if the mailing list set the reply-to header that mistake would be a lot harder to make. I know this has been discussed in the past, but I can't remember the argument against doing that. == On 2023-04-11 20:40, David T. via gnucash-user wrote: > Honestly, the button could be removed altogether in my opinion. The > close "X" on tabs is pretty standard in other apps, and has the > benefit of being a direct action that most users understand > intuitively. I agree wholeheartedly! While it's usually desirable to give people multiple ways to do things, especially mouse versus keyboard, it's _not_ desirable when one of those ways looks like it does something different from what it actually does. == On 2023-04-12 07:40, Gyle McCollam wrote: > You can remove the "X" on the tabs to prevent accidental closing. > Under Edit/Preference/Windows and the section labeled Tabs. Just > click on box to remove the check on "Show close on notebook tabs". > Then you shouldn't be able to close accidentally. But the OP wasn't accidentally closing via the X on the tab, rather with the X at the top, which is marked Close. (I'm just clarifying. I don't support the request. If developers are to make a change, IMHO a much better solution is David T's suggestion: simply remove the "Close" at the top, since its effect of closing a tab is different from what a user might reasonably expect, and there are other ways to close a tab.) == On 2023-04-12 07:32, G R Hewitt wrote: > I agree with others that the 'Close' button could be moved, or > better still done away with, I think it serves no useful purpose. > Perhaps change it to 'Quit GnuCash' I would not support the latter. There's already a _standard_ mouse click to quit GnuCash; it's the X at the top right of the window, which is standard for programs in Microsoft Windows. We don't need to waste screen real estate on a second button to do the same thing. (I would assume that the standard close button is also present in GnuCash in Linux and MacOS.) Stan Brown Tehachapi, CA, USA https://BrownMath.com ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
I have never used that close button in the toolbar so removing it seems the best option to me as well. Better that this should have been a "Reply to All", so that others would know that you have already corrected me. I thank you and you are correct with what the OP was talking about, my bad. Thank You, Gyle McCollam Gyle McCollam gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com> email From: Stan Brown Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 10:52 AM To: Gyle McCollam Subject: Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items On 2023-04-12 07:40, Gyle McCollam wrote: > You can remove the "X" on the tabs to prevent accidental closing. Under > Edit/Preference/Windows and the section labeled Tabs. Just click on box to > remove the check on "Show close on notebook tabs". Then you shouldn't be > able to close accidentally. But the OP wasn't accidentally closing via the X on the tab, rather with the X at the top, which is marked Close. (I'm just clarifying. I don't support the request. If developers are to make a change, IMHO a much better solution is David T's suggestion: simply remove the "Close" at the top, since its effect of closing a tab is different from what a user might reasonably expect, and there are other ways to close a tab.) Stan Brown Tehachapi, CA, USA https://BrownMath.com ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
You can remove the "X" on the tabs to prevent accidental closing. Under Edit/Preference/Windows and the section labeled Tabs. Just click on box to remove the check on "Show close on notebook tabs". Then you shouldn't be able to close accidentally. Thank You, Gyle McCollam Gyle McCollam gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com> email From: gnucash-user on behalf of G R Hewitt Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 2:19 AM To: David T. Cc: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org ; Adrien Monteleone Subject: Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items Thank you all for your considered comments and suggestions, from which I can see that I failed to explain myself adequately, so apologies there. What I want to be able to do is to ‘lock’ the tabs I open so that they cannot be closed with out first being ‘unlocked’. Perhaps a little padlock icon that would replace the ‘X’ when locked - similar to programs that use ‘layers’, like Photoshop for example. In this way one would be unable to accidentality close a tab and perhaps lose settings. Regards, GH On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 04:41, David T. via gnucash-user < gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote: > Honestly, the button could be removed altogether in my opinion. The close > "X" on tabs is pretty standard in other apps, and has the benefit of being > a direct action that most users understand intuitively. > > David T. > > On Apr 12, 2023, 1:07 AM, at 1:07 AM, Adrien Monteleone < > adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote: > >I agree, the button could be more precise in its label. > > > >The tool tip in the status bar on hovering that button says, "close the > > > >currently active page". > > > >The functionality of that button and the entire toolbar (the UI really) > > > >is also covered in the Manual. > > > >I'd say this is a, "read the manual" sort of problem and GnuCash is > >working as intended. > > > >Regards, > >Adrien > > > >On 4/11/23 4:12 PM, Gyle McCollam wrote: > >> The button in the toolbar should say "Close Tab", that would make it > >clearer. In windows, the OP should get used to closing Gnucash with > >the "X" in the upper right corner. As for the tabs, under > >Edit/Preferences/Windows and then the heading Tabs you can select to > >put a "Close Button" actually an "X" on each tab to close that tab. > >That way you don't have to memorize Crtl+W or Alt+F4, not that it is > >that difficult. > > > >___ > >gnucash-user mailing list > >gnucash-user@gnucash.org > >To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >- > >Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
Thanks Alan, for your suggestion. I know the tabs can be put anywhere on the four points of the compass, and I have tried them all: I like them where they are, on the left hand side. My question was if there was a way to lock them so that they cannot be closed - like the original 'Accounts' page has no 'X', though additional ones do. I agree with others that the 'Close' button could be moved, or better still done away with, I think it serves no useful purpose. Perhaps change it to 'Quit GnuCash' and really quit the program - on MacOS the red 'dot' does not always quit a program - with a confirmation dialogue window. But that is another matter, and what I am concerned with is my original question and the possibility of GnuCash being enable to do this, or not, and if not is it possible to add it at some point. On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 08:23, Alan A Holmes wrote: > Catching up with this a little late. > > GnuCash tabs are similar to tabs in other applications, e.g. Acrobat. The > difference is that the GnuCash tabs can be configured to display tabs at > the > top, left, bottom, or right. Acrobat puts its tabs across the top, and I'm > not sure they be configured to be elsewhere. > > If where you've got them means you keep clicking the close for a tab when > you mean to click close for GnuCash why not move them elsewhere so that > will > only leave the one X on the right hand side, and see if that helps. > > > > Alan A Holmes > > -Original Message- > From: gnucash-user > On Behalf Of > G > R Hewitt > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 11:30 AM > To: GnuCash User List > Subject: [GNC] Locking the side bar items > > Greetings all, > > I was just wondering if there was anyway to prevent (lock) opened tabs from > being closed. > I have all the things I use - P, BS etc., on the right, and just can't > seem to break the habit of clicking 'Close' to close the program, which > closes the open tab instead. > > If not, could this be added as a feature at some point? > > Thanks in advance > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
Catching up with this a little late. GnuCash tabs are similar to tabs in other applications, e.g. Acrobat. The difference is that the GnuCash tabs can be configured to display tabs at the top, left, bottom, or right. Acrobat puts its tabs across the top, and I'm not sure they be configured to be elsewhere. If where you've got them means you keep clicking the close for a tab when you mean to click close for GnuCash why not move them elsewhere so that will only leave the one X on the right hand side, and see if that helps. Alan A Holmes -Original Message- From: gnucash-user On Behalf Of G R Hewitt Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 11:30 AM To: GnuCash User List Subject: [GNC] Locking the side bar items Greetings all, I was just wondering if there was anyway to prevent (lock) opened tabs from being closed. I have all the things I use - P, BS etc., on the right, and just can't seem to break the habit of clicking 'Close' to close the program, which closes the open tab instead. If not, could this be added as a feature at some point? Thanks in advance ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
Thank you all for your considered comments and suggestions, from which I can see that I failed to explain myself adequately, so apologies there. What I want to be able to do is to ‘lock’ the tabs I open so that they cannot be closed with out first being ‘unlocked’. Perhaps a little padlock icon that would replace the ‘X’ when locked - similar to programs that use ‘layers’, like Photoshop for example. In this way one would be unable to accidentality close a tab and perhaps lose settings. Regards, GH On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 04:41, David T. via gnucash-user < gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote: > Honestly, the button could be removed altogether in my opinion. The close > "X" on tabs is pretty standard in other apps, and has the benefit of being > a direct action that most users understand intuitively. > > David T. > > On Apr 12, 2023, 1:07 AM, at 1:07 AM, Adrien Monteleone < > adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote: > >I agree, the button could be more precise in its label. > > > >The tool tip in the status bar on hovering that button says, "close the > > > >currently active page". > > > >The functionality of that button and the entire toolbar (the UI really) > > > >is also covered in the Manual. > > > >I'd say this is a, "read the manual" sort of problem and GnuCash is > >working as intended. > > > >Regards, > >Adrien > > > >On 4/11/23 4:12 PM, Gyle McCollam wrote: > >> The button in the toolbar should say "Close Tab", that would make it > >clearer. In windows, the OP should get used to closing Gnucash with > >the "X" in the upper right corner. As for the tabs, under > >Edit/Preferences/Windows and then the heading Tabs you can select to > >put a "Close Button" actually an "X" on each tab to close that tab. > >That way you don't have to memorize Crtl+W or Alt+F4, not that it is > >that difficult. > > > >___ > >gnucash-user mailing list > >gnucash-user@gnucash.org > >To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >- > >Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
Honestly, the button could be removed altogether in my opinion. The close "X" on tabs is pretty standard in other apps, and has the benefit of being a direct action that most users understand intuitively. David T. On Apr 12, 2023, 1:07 AM, at 1:07 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: >I agree, the button could be more precise in its label. > >The tool tip in the status bar on hovering that button says, "close the > >currently active page". > >The functionality of that button and the entire toolbar (the UI really) > >is also covered in the Manual. > >I'd say this is a, "read the manual" sort of problem and GnuCash is >working as intended. > >Regards, >Adrien > >On 4/11/23 4:12 PM, Gyle McCollam wrote: >> The button in the toolbar should say "Close Tab", that would make it >clearer. In windows, the OP should get used to closing Gnucash with >the "X" in the upper right corner. As for the tabs, under >Edit/Preferences/Windows and then the heading Tabs you can select to >put a "Close Button" actually an "X" on each tab to close that tab. >That way you don't have to memorize Crtl+W or Alt+F4, not that it is >that difficult. > >___ >gnucash-user mailing list >gnucash-user@gnucash.org >To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >- >Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
I'm curious how separate windows for registers is advantageous over separate tabs. I routinely keep several registers open as well as reports - all in tabs, and can easily switch between them. I've never found a point where I'd like, or need, to see two tabs (and thus windows) simultaneously. That's just a curiosity. I can see that if you need, or prefer working with separate windows, however, there should be a way to get everything to re-open on a subsequent launch. Regards, Adrien On 4/11/23 5:23 PM, Paul Kroitor wrote: Perhaps the OP's issue is variation of a slightly different issue that I've asked about in the past. I have Gnucash set so the tabs are across the top, and reports open as additional tabs in the main window. I can open and configure many reports during a session, and these reports survive a close and re-open. Thus I configure each set of books to have all my favourite reports and graphs available immediately upon opening the file. BUT I have my registers set to open in separate windows (so I can work in more than one at a time). The upshot is that if I close all the register windows first, and then the main window (the one with the Chart of Accounts, reports, graphs, etc), it all works as intended. However, if one of the register windows is still open somewhere -- hidden behind another app, perhaps -- when I close the main window, everything is catastrophically lost. Reopening the file opens only the straggling register window and I have to re-establish a Chart of Accounts tab, and then labouriously reconstruct all the reports and graphs I like. I've been meaning to code a warning upon close if the main window (the window including the Chart of Accounts tab) is ever closed when other floating windows are still open, as this presumably would never happen on purpose -- perhaps I will get to it one of these months as it drives me crazy. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
Perhaps the OP's issue is variation of a slightly different issue that I've asked about in the past. I have Gnucash set so the tabs are across the top, and reports open as additional tabs in the main window. I can open and configure many reports during a session, and these reports survive a close and re-open. Thus I configure each set of books to have all my favourite reports and graphs available immediately upon opening the file. BUT I have my registers set to open in separate windows (so I can work in more than one at a time). The upshot is that if I close all the register windows first, and then the main window (the one with the Chart of Accounts, reports, graphs, etc), it all works as intended. However, if one of the register windows is still open somewhere -- hidden behind another app, perhaps -- when I close the main window, everything is catastrophically lost. Reopening the file opens only the straggling register window and I have to re-establish a Chart of Accounts tab, and then labouriously reconstruct all the reports and graphs I like. I've been meaning to code a warning upon close if the main window (the window including the Chart of Accounts tab) is ever closed when other floating windows are still open, as this presumably would never happen on purpose -- perhaps I will get to it one of these months as it drives me crazy. Paul -Original Message- From: gnucash-user On Behalf Of Stan Brown Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 3:05 PM To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items I read the OP's question a little differently. I think the OP wants some way to tell GnuCash, "When I click the "Close" button, I don't want the currently open tab to close." In other words, I don't think it's about what happens when GC reopens, it's about having GC ignore a button click that the user didn't mean to make. I can sympathize: It took me a while to learn that the Close button doesn't close the program, as I would have expected, and even now every once in a while I close a tab when I wanted to close the program. (Close buttons on a tab should close that tab; a close button not on a tab should close the program -- or so it seems to me.) But that's how GC works, and we just have to learn it. I didn't post an answer earlier because I don't think there's any way to change this behavior. One thing that might help the OP, at least in Windows, is never to sue the Close button but instead close a tab (when desired) with Ctrl+W and close the program (if desired) with Alt+F4. Stan Brown Tehachapi, CA, USA https://BrownMath.com On 2023-04-11 11:49, Adrien Monteleone wrote: > I've never seen a case where the open tabs *don't* re-open when I next > open the file. > > That's already a feature. > > Maybe there is a reason it isn't working properly on your system. > > Regards, > Adrien > > On 4/11/23 5:30 AM, G R Hewitt wrote: >> Greetings all, >> >> I was just wondering if there was anyway to prevent (lock) opened >> tabs from being closed. >> >> I have all the things I use - P, BS etc., on the right, and just >> can't seem to break the habit of clicking 'Close' to close the >> program, which closes the open tab instead.> >> >> If not, could this be added as a feature at some point? ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
I agree, the button could be more precise in its label. The tool tip in the status bar on hovering that button says, "close the currently active page". The functionality of that button and the entire toolbar (the UI really) is also covered in the Manual. I'd say this is a, "read the manual" sort of problem and GnuCash is working as intended. Regards, Adrien On 4/11/23 4:12 PM, Gyle McCollam wrote: The button in the toolbar should say "Close Tab", that would make it clearer. In windows, the OP should get used to closing Gnucash with the "X" in the upper right corner. As for the tabs, under Edit/Preferences/Windows and then the heading Tabs you can select to put a "Close Button" actually an "X" on each tab to close that tab. That way you don't have to memorize Crtl+W or Alt+F4, not that it is that difficult. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
The button in the toolbar should say "Close Tab", that would make it clearer. In windows, the OP should get used to closing Gnucash with the "X" in the upper right corner. As for the tabs, under Edit/Preferences/Windows and then the heading Tabs you can select to put a "Close Button" actually an "X" on each tab to close that tab. That way you don't have to memorize Crtl+W or Alt+F4, not that it is that difficult. Thank You, Gyle McCollam Gyle McCollam gmccol...@live.com<mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com> email From: gnucash-user on behalf of Stan Brown Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 3:04 PM To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items I read the OP's question a little differently. I think the OP wants some way to tell GnuCash, "When I click the "Close" button, I don't want the currently open tab to close." In other words, I don't think it's about what happens when GC reopens, it's about having GC ignore a button click that the user didn't mean to make. I can sympathize: It took me a while to learn that the Close button doesn't close the program, as I would have expected, and even now every once in a while I close a tab when I wanted to close the program. (Close buttons on a tab should close that tab; a close button not on a tab should close the program -- or so it seems to me.) But that's how GC works, and we just have to learn it. I didn't post an answer earlier because I don't think there's any way to change this behavior. One thing that might help the OP, at least in Windows, is never to sue the Close button but instead close a tab (when desired) with Ctrl+W and close the program (if desired) with Alt+F4. Stan Brown Tehachapi, CA, USA https://BrownMath.com On 2023-04-11 11:49, Adrien Monteleone wrote: > I've never seen a case where the open tabs *don't* re-open when I next > open the file. > > That's already a feature. > > Maybe there is a reason it isn't working properly on your system. > > Regards, > Adrien > > On 4/11/23 5:30 AM, G R Hewitt wrote: >> Greetings all, >> >> I was just wondering if there was anyway to prevent (lock) opened >> tabs from being closed. >> >> I have all the things I use - P, BS etc., on the right, and just >> can't seem to break the habit of clicking 'Close' to close the >> program, which closes the open tab instead.> >> >> If not, could this be added as a feature at some point? ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
I read the OP's question a little differently. I think the OP wants some way to tell GnuCash, "When I click the "Close" button, I don't want the currently open tab to close." In other words, I don't think it's about what happens when GC reopens, it's about having GC ignore a button click that the user didn't mean to make. I can sympathize: It took me a while to learn that the Close button doesn't close the program, as I would have expected, and even now every once in a while I close a tab when I wanted to close the program. (Close buttons on a tab should close that tab; a close button not on a tab should close the program -- or so it seems to me.) But that's how GC works, and we just have to learn it. I didn't post an answer earlier because I don't think there's any way to change this behavior. One thing that might help the OP, at least in Windows, is never to sue the Close button but instead close a tab (when desired) with Ctrl+W and close the program (if desired) with Alt+F4. Stan Brown Tehachapi, CA, USA https://BrownMath.com On 2023-04-11 11:49, Adrien Monteleone wrote: > I've never seen a case where the open tabs *don't* re-open when I next > open the file. > > That's already a feature. > > Maybe there is a reason it isn't working properly on your system. > > Regards, > Adrien > > On 4/11/23 5:30 AM, G R Hewitt wrote: >> Greetings all, >> >> I was just wondering if there was anyway to prevent (lock) opened >> tabs from being closed. >> >> I have all the things I use - P, BS etc., on the right, and just >> can't seem to break the habit of clicking 'Close' to close the >> program, which closes the open tab instead.> >> >> If not, could this be added as a feature at some point? ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items
I've never seen a case where the open tabs *don't* re-open when I next open the file. That's already a feature. Maybe there is a reason it isn't working properly on your system. Regards, Adrien On 4/11/23 5:30 AM, G R Hewitt wrote: Greetings all, I was just wondering if there was anyway to prevent (lock) opened tabs from being closed. I have all the things I use - P, BS etc., on the right, and just can't seem to break the habit of clicking 'Close' to close the program, which closes the open tab instead. If not, could this be added as a feature at some point? ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] Locking the side bar items
Greetings all, I was just wondering if there was anyway to prevent (lock) opened tabs from being closed. I have all the things I use - P, BS etc., on the right, and just can't seem to break the habit of clicking 'Close' to close the program, which closes the open tab instead. If not, could this be added as a feature at some point? Thanks in advance ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
