[GNC] Thank You Michael D Novack

[Geoff]

Hello Michael

Thank you very much for this little history lesson and your many other 
erudite responses on this mailing list.  I always look forward to 
reading your answers knowing that I will both be entertained and learn 
something new.


I particularly enjoy the way you often relate seemingly abstract 
concepts back to physical objects like paper ledgers and the ink entries 
therein.


Thanks again for sharing.

:--))

Regards

Geoff
=

On 6/05/2024 12:44 am, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:

On 5/4/2024 10:53 PM, flywire wrote:

David, the  guide even warns that accounting debits and credits are
used contrary to the way most people understand them. The average
punter will be wrong, and if they get it right the next punter will
likely bet they are wrong.


Yes, depends on perspective, your point of view or the bank's.

But also  and explaining where YOUR point of view comes from (the origin 
of the terms) think of who in say 1200 CE would be needing to keep 
books. What sort of business would you be in? A moneylender, of course. 
And keep in mind that in 1200 in Europe, if literate, probably Latin not 
a strange language (especially not when dealing across multiple local 
languages).


Debit comes from "he owes" (me). In other words, your assets are debts 
owed to you as well as cash on hand available to be loaned out. Thus the 
money you have on deposit at some bank is a debit because the bank owes 
you that money.


Credit comes from "he trusts" (me). In other words, your liabilities. 
Money you owe somebody else that they are trusting you can pay back. 
It's why on the statement from the bank your account balance is a credit 
(you are trusting the bank will give you this money of you ask for it) 
but in your books a debit because the bank owes this money to you.


Initially (way back then) there were no special accounts of type 
"income" and "expense" so the other side of a transaction we would call 
income or expense was equity. Immediately entered against equity. That 
made it easy to see at any moment what to see what total equity was but 
hard to look up the totals for any particular expense. Had to do work to 
answer questions like "how much was our interest income last month?" 
(remember, we are moneylenders). So a couple hundred years ago (I don;t 
know exactly when) somebody got the bright idea to have TEMPORARY 
accounts of type "income" and "expense" of fundamental type "equity". 
Instead of the other side of the transactions immediately being main 
equity use these "temporarily" and only every so often transfer to main 
equity through a process known as "close thew books" with this process, 
along the way, creating a report called "profit and loss" << originally 
this was another temporary account, closed to equity by the net profit 
or loss amount >>


BTW, a moneylender WOULD be wanting to have liabilities. These would 
have come into being by exchange with another moneylender in some other 
town/country. These documents were useful in TRADE, serving as a way of 
transporting money without the risk of bandits stealing the gold or 
silver money on the way. You are a moneylender in place A. A merchant 
planning to travel to B might come to you and ask "Do you have a debt 
document from a moneylender in B?" If you did, you could sell him that 
debt (endorse it over to him) collecting a fee for the service. He then 
could travel to B and present it there for payment. Useless for a bandit 
to steal as it wasn't made out "pay to the bearer" but "pay to some 
specific person" (the merchant).


Note something here. If two banks are exchanging these IOU's no silver 
or gold has changed hands. Who says that the silver or gold has to 
actually exist? In other words, these banks have created money and all 
will be well only as long as they have enough gold and silver on hand to 
pay out when any of these IOU's are presented. Does the term "he trusts" 
make more sense now? There was no FDIC guaranteeing the deposits. That 
is a very recent change. A hundred years ago you WERE trusting that the 
bank could give you back what you had on deposit there.


Michael D Novack

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Re: [GNC] Thank you for your courtesy

[Chris Graves]

+1

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 12:36 PM Jim DeLaHunt  wrote:

> Liz, David T, Gyle, and D:
> (but really everyone contributes)
>
> Thank you for your courtesy.  Liz, thank you for your work as list
> moderator, and specifically for stepping in when some recent language
> was not acceptable here. The others of you, thank you for apologising,
> rather than lashing out. The result is a more pleasant and more
> productive email list and community.
>
> I am subscribed to users' mailing lists for other projects, where this
> sort of courtesy is often lacking. Nasty comments are more common. Some
> participants are repeatedly nasty. When someone points out that they are
> violating the community's code of conduct, they do not apologise, and
> they lash out with more nastiness. It is awful.
>
> And that is one of the reasons why I spend more effort participating
> here rather than there. Thank you.
>
> Best regards,
>  —Jim DeLaHunt
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[GNC] Thank you for your courtesy

[Jim DeLaHunt]

Liz, David T, Gyle, and D:
(but really everyone contributes)

Thank you for your courtesy.  Liz, thank you for your work as list 
moderator, and specifically for stepping in when some recent language 
was not acceptable here. The others of you, thank you for apologising, 
rather than lashing out. The result is a more pleasant and more 
productive email list and community.


I am subscribed to users' mailing lists for other projects, where this 
sort of courtesy is often lacking. Nasty comments are more common. Some 
participants are repeatedly nasty. When someone points out that they are 
violating the community's code of conduct, they do not apologise, and 
they lash out with more nastiness. It is awful.


And that is one of the reasons why I spend more effort participating 
here rather than there. Thank you.


Best regards,
    —Jim DeLaHunt


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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[William Prescott]

I send my thanks to the group that writes and maintains this software. I have 
used it since version 2.6.1 at least. I've used or at least played with 
Quicken, Quickbooks, NPTreasurer, and probably a few others. Gnucash is ahead 
of them all for my purposes.

Thank you,
Will

On 2021 Sep 27, at 09-27 06:53:17, Fross, Michael  wrote:

Well said Neil. They all deserve our thanks and gratitude.

Michael

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 6:41 AM Neil Campbell  wrote:

> My congratulations and thanks to the Team for the production and release
> of GNUCash version 4.7. As this development is all done by professional
> volunteers, I really do say a hearty 'thank you’ for your effort and for
> allowing this to be open source. Much appreciated.
> 
> Best regards.
> Neil
> neilcam...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[Fross, Michael]

Well said Neil. They all deserve our thanks and gratitude.

Michael

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 6:41 AM Neil Campbell  wrote:

> My congratulations and thanks to the Team for the production and release
> of GNUCash version 4.7. As this development is all done by professional
> volunteers, I really do say a hearty 'thank you’ for your effort and for
> allowing this to be open source. Much appreciated.
>
> Best regards.
> Neil
> neilcam...@gmail.com
>
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[GNC] Thank you

[Neil Campbell]

My congratulations and thanks to the Team for the production and release of 
GNUCash version 4.7. As this development is all done by professional 
volunteers, I really do say a hearty 'thank you’ for your effort and for 
allowing this to be open source. Much appreciated.

Best regards.
Neil
neilcam...@gmail.com



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[GNC] Thank you for list moderation [was: Re: GnuCash and Swedish accounting legislation]

[Jim DeLaHunt]

Liz, with Moderator Hat On:

On 2020-08-12 01:57, Liz Dodd wrote:

Jim, and others, I do not approve of posts like doncram's which
preceded this.
As the Moderator I have intervened and will check future posts from
doncram.

Kindly note that I do not tolerate coarse language or disparaging
others.

Liz, Moderator Hat On.


Thank you! This is part of what keeps the GnuCash community a respectful 
vacation resort. I appreciate your contribution.


 —Jim DeLaHunt, at the GnuCash resort, my feet up on the 
Accounts Receivable, a daquiri in one hand, and a split in the other.



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[GNC] Thank You

[Fiona MacKinnon]

   Hi folks,
   Thanks to all who responded to my query re setting up Gnu Cash for
   not-for-profit organisations...& sorry for opening up a can of worms!
   Users have kindly provided me with much in the way of practical advice
   & I'm very grateful for that.
   Best,
   Fiona
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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[David Cousens]

Doug,

I have been handling GST in GnuCash for more that 10 years with the ability
to manually define a tax table at least that long. It has been possible to
define accounts to collect GST collected and GST input tax on purchases for
all that time. Not fully automatic, not specific to AUS GST, and no reports
but it wasn't too hard to extract the quantities from my accounts required
for a BAS statement. 

Most of the discussion about setting this up was way back in the archives of
the mailing list and is searchable (as early or earlier than 2010 when I
began using GnuCash and preparing BAS statements using it). The more recent
developments Christopher Lam mentions are more on the reporting side. As the
ATO moves towards direct electronic submission, the requirements are also
becoming a bit more rigid but so far not impossible. Agreed on the offset
financial year. I have not really found a problem just using the custom
settings in the preferences, apart from remembering to do it, but having it
as the default option for a book would be nice and is planned for the next
major release.

The guide also has a section on setting it up under the Business features.
It discusses specifically a sales tax setup but this is easily adopted for
GST type taxes.

The management of changes and mistakes is no problem at all. In most cases
you can simply edit the transaction involved particularly if you do not
formally close your accounts to equity which is not absolutely necessary
given GnuCash's reporting system which calculates the necessary reports
without having to use the formal procedure. The formal closure is also
available if you really need to use it.  If any accounts involved have been
reconciled you will obviously need to re-reconcile them. 

If you are sure the errors are not compounded you can also use an adjustment
transaction suitably notated to  correct errors, at least within the same
accounting period. Modifying transactions outside the current period will of
necessity change the results of reports from previous accounting periods
which can be a problem if you have submitted them for tax etc. Tthey can
easily be regenerated and most tax and reporting authorities will generally
allow you to amend previous lodgements, often, but not always without
penalty, if you point it out to them and it is a genuine mistake.

You can generate arbitrary adjustment transactions as needed. I admit you
probably have to have some accounting knowledge to define the correct target
accounts for adjusting and correcting transactions though.

What specific problems have you had with exporting CSV? It is generally a
follow your nose with the selection of the options. Re-importing data
exported generally works but problems have been reported with foreign
currency and stock transactions. Using the default GnuCash Export format
data should be readily importable. 

I have a self imposed project to update and try to improve the documentation
for the importers (mainly CSV, OFX and the matching process to existing
accounts and transfer accounts) so I would be interested in any problems you
have encountered, particularly from the perspective of a new user.

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[Adrien Monteleone]

So the question remains, have you tried opening those exports yourself and with 
what software? What software is your accountant using? (QuickBooks? since you 
mentioned .qif) Did they try opening in a spreadsheet app?

Now, if I understand correctly, you are currently sending the HTML or PDF 
copies of the reports, but want to send the CSV export of the GnuCash book so 
they can import it directly to QB?

I’m not sure if QB would just ‘open’ a CSV and intelligently offer to import 
the data or not. The accountant might have to intentionally do a CSV import 
from within QB with the file.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Sep 4, 2019 w36d247, at 8:09 AM, Doug  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Adrien. Every year I need to send my data to my accountant who does 
> not (yet) use Gnucash. I did not have any success exporting to .qif files: 
> not sure why. (Would not read into Quickbooks)
> I thought a spreadsheet might be better way to go.
> 
> This is a new accountant because my last accountant retired (at 85! & still 
> runs a farm: tough people these rural folk). Previously I supplied hard copy 
> reports because they were old-school.
> The new accountant is quite happy for electronic version, but last year I had 
> no success with her reading my files. 
> Basically, I have always prepared a report on each account for the 12 months 
> which detail my tax deductible transactions.
> I am no accountant, & even tho I have used Gnucash for years, I still have 
> issues every tax year but usually bumble through.
> 
> regards, Doug

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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[Adrien Monteleone]

If you mean in Preferences > Accounting Period, I agree. I’m surprised this 
hasn’t been fixed to ‘relative years’ yet. Certainly, filing a RFE (Request for 
Enhancement) in Bugzilla would be in order. I would think a user would expect a 
much more sane option to select the day/month and let the years roll over 
automatically just as they do for all of the ‘Relative’ options. I also find it 
odd that the Relative options don’t have ’Start/End of Quarter 1/2/3’ instead 
of ’This/Previous Quarter’ as that depends on todays date, which is kind of 
weird for that preference.

In reports however, once the Accounting Period is set you can use ‘Accounting 
Period’ as a relative date reference.

Regards,
Adrien


> On Sep 4, 2019 w36d247, at 8:54 AM, Doug  wrote:
> 
> Adrien,
> one thing that would help in Australia is in the setup to be able to set the 
> year start as 1 July, & end as 30 June. 
> Currently the only options are the beginning of the year, monthly, quarterly, 
> or absolute.
> I usually use absolute, resetting each year.
> 
> regards, Doug

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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[David T. via gnucash-user]

And, yes, it would be more useful if it weren't set as either an 
absolute date or "Previous Quarter"...


On 9/4/2019 8:08 PM, Christopher Lam wrote:

FWIW in the 4.x series it is planned to allow a book-specific
accounting-period, so, one can select (e.g. 30-June for Australia, 5-April
for UK, or another arbitrary date) an eofy date, and reports should be able
to pick 'current-FY' or 'previous-FY' as report dates...

On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 at 13:56, Doug  wrote:


Adrien,
  one thing that would help in Australia is in the setup to be able to set
the year start as 1 July, & end as 30 June.
Currently the only options are the beginning of the year, monthly,
quarterly, or absolute.
  I usually use absolute, resetting each year.

regards, Doug


On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 23:09:55 +1000
Doug  wrote:


Thanks Adrien. Every year I need to send my data to my accountant who

does not (yet) use Gnucash. I did not have any success exporting to .qif
files: not sure why. (Would not read into Quickbooks)

I thought a spreadsheet might be better way to go.

  This is a new accountant because my last accountant retired (at 85! &

still runs a farm: tough people these rural folk). Previously I supplied
hard copy reports because they were old-school.

The new accountant is quite happy for electronic version, but last year

I had no success with her reading my files.

Basically, I have always prepared a report on each account for the 12

months which detail my tax deductible transactions.

I am no accountant, & even tho I have used Gnucash for years, I still

have issues every tax year but usually bumble through.

regards, Doug


On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 13:14:05 -0500
Adrien Monteleone  wrote:


Regarding the export,

What is the purpose of the export and what data are you trying to get

out? (there might be a way to craft a report in GnuCash that shows the same
info)

What are the steps you are currently taking to do the export?

(copy/paste/save report results or export -> CSV)

Finally, what spreadsheet app are you using to read the exported data?

(Libreoffice Calc, Gnumeric, something else?)

Regards,
Adrien


On Sep 3, 2019 w36d246, at 7:26 AM, Doug 

wrote:

...

I have had little success exporting successfully to a spreadsheet,

but that is probably my lack of skills. One advantage of the full history
of the accounts is when a property is sold: all the old figures are at your
fingertips which is much easier than the other well known commercial
products (which do not easily run on Linux anyway). I am a PCLinuxOS user,
also for many years (Easy to use & recommended too).


I also would like to thank the developers. I have seen the

advancements over the years. The program is now far more polished than the
early versions. I have had hiccups, but never lost any data in 25 years!

regards, Doug (Nth Coast, NSW, Australia, near Byron Bay. Someone

has to put up with this lifestyle: sunny one day & perfect the next!)


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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Of course, one can currently set the accounting period for the OS user 
at Preferences->Accounting Period. ALthough not the same as per-book 
settings, it is nonetheless a useful option for many.


On 9/4/2019 8:08 PM, Christopher Lam wrote:

FWIW in the 4.x series it is planned to allow a book-specific
accounting-period, so, one can select (e.g. 30-June for Australia, 5-April
for UK, or another arbitrary date) an eofy date, and reports should be able
to pick 'current-FY' or 'previous-FY' as report dates...

On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 at 13:56, Doug  wrote:


Adrien,
  one thing that would help in Australia is in the setup to be able to set
the year start as 1 July, & end as 30 June.
Currently the only options are the beginning of the year, monthly,
quarterly, or absolute.
  I usually use absolute, resetting each year.

regards, Doug


On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 23:09:55 +1000
Doug  wrote:


Thanks Adrien. Every year I need to send my data to my accountant who

does not (yet) use Gnucash. I did not have any success exporting to .qif
files: not sure why. (Would not read into Quickbooks)

I thought a spreadsheet might be better way to go.

  This is a new accountant because my last accountant retired (at 85! &

still runs a farm: tough people these rural folk). Previously I supplied
hard copy reports because they were old-school.

The new accountant is quite happy for electronic version, but last year

I had no success with her reading my files.

Basically, I have always prepared a report on each account for the 12

months which detail my tax deductible transactions.

I am no accountant, & even tho I have used Gnucash for years, I still

have issues every tax year but usually bumble through.

regards, Doug


On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 13:14:05 -0500
Adrien Monteleone  wrote:


Regarding the export,

What is the purpose of the export and what data are you trying to get

out? (there might be a way to craft a report in GnuCash that shows the same
info)

What are the steps you are currently taking to do the export?

(copy/paste/save report results or export -> CSV)

Finally, what spreadsheet app are you using to read the exported data?

(Libreoffice Calc, Gnumeric, something else?)

Regards,
Adrien


On Sep 3, 2019 w36d246, at 7:26 AM, Doug 

wrote:

...

I have had little success exporting successfully to a spreadsheet,

but that is probably my lack of skills. One advantage of the full history
of the accounts is when a property is sold: all the old figures are at your
fingertips which is much easier than the other well known commercial
products (which do not easily run on Linux anyway). I am a PCLinuxOS user,
also for many years (Easy to use & recommended too).


I also would like to thank the developers. I have seen the

advancements over the years. The program is now far more polished than the
early versions. I have had hiccups, but never lost any data in 25 years!

regards, Doug (Nth Coast, NSW, Australia, near Byron Bay. Someone

has to put up with this lifestyle: sunny one day & perfect the next!)


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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[Christopher Lam]

FWIW in the 4.x series it is planned to allow a book-specific
accounting-period, so, one can select (e.g. 30-June for Australia, 5-April
for UK, or another arbitrary date) an eofy date, and reports should be able
to pick 'current-FY' or 'previous-FY' as report dates...

On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 at 13:56, Doug  wrote:

> Adrien,
>  one thing that would help in Australia is in the setup to be able to set
> the year start as 1 July, & end as 30 June.
> Currently the only options are the beginning of the year, monthly,
> quarterly, or absolute.
>  I usually use absolute, resetting each year.
>
> regards, Doug
>
>
> On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 23:09:55 +1000
> Doug  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Adrien. Every year I need to send my data to my accountant who
> does not (yet) use Gnucash. I did not have any success exporting to .qif
> files: not sure why. (Would not read into Quickbooks)
> > I thought a spreadsheet might be better way to go.
> >
> >  This is a new accountant because my last accountant retired (at 85! &
> still runs a farm: tough people these rural folk). Previously I supplied
> hard copy reports because they were old-school.
> > The new accountant is quite happy for electronic version, but last year
> I had no success with her reading my files.
> > Basically, I have always prepared a report on each account for the 12
> months which detail my tax deductible transactions.
> > I am no accountant, & even tho I have used Gnucash for years, I still
> have issues every tax year but usually bumble through.
> >
> > regards, Doug
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 13:14:05 -0500
> > Adrien Monteleone  wrote:
> >
> > > Regarding the export,
> > >
> > > What is the purpose of the export and what data are you trying to get
> out? (there might be a way to craft a report in GnuCash that shows the same
> info)
> > >
> > > What are the steps you are currently taking to do the export?
> (copy/paste/save report results or export -> CSV)
> > >
> > > Finally, what spreadsheet app are you using to read the exported data?
> (Libreoffice Calc, Gnumeric, something else?)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Adrien
> > >
> > > > On Sep 3, 2019 w36d246, at 7:26 AM, Doug 
> wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > I have had little success exporting successfully to a spreadsheet,
> but that is probably my lack of skills. One advantage of the full history
> of the accounts is when a property is sold: all the old figures are at your
> fingertips which is much easier than the other well known commercial
> products (which do not easily run on Linux anyway). I am a PCLinuxOS user,
> also for many years (Easy to use & recommended too).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I also would like to thank the developers. I have seen the
> advancements over the years. The program is now far more polished than the
> early versions. I have had hiccups, but never lost any data in 25 years!
> > > >
> > > > regards, Doug (Nth Coast, NSW, Australia, near Byron Bay. Someone
> has to put up with this lifestyle: sunny one day & perfect the next!)
> > >
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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 4 Sep 2019, Mike or Penny Novack wrote:


Just because you might end up printing an exported report does not mean
you have to send to your accountant as hard copy. Instead of printing the
file, simply attach it as a document to an email. Your accountant does not
need access to gnucash to read an exported document << for example, a
browser reads html >>


I've sent my accountant PDFs attached to e-mail messages monthly for more
than 25 years. She must use proprietary, vertical market software as well as
web sites for federal and state revenue agencies. The PDFs make it easy for
her to extract the information she needs and enter it wherever.

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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[Mike or Penny Novack]

On 9/4/2019 9:09 AM, Doug wrote:

Thanks Adrien. Every year I need to send my data to my accountant who does not 
(yet) use Gnucash. I did not have any success exporting to .qif files: not sure 
why. (Would not read into Quickbooks)
I thought a spreadsheet might be better way to go.

  This is a new accountant because my last accountant retired (at 85! & still 
runs a farm: tough people these rural folk). Previously I supplied hard copy 
reports because they were old-school.
The new accountant is quite happy for electronic version, but last year I had 
no success with her reading my files.
Just because you might end up printing an exported report does not mean 
you have to send to your accountant as hard copy. Instead of printing 
the file, simply attach it as a document to an email. Your accountant 
does not need access to gnucash to read an exported document << for 
example,  a browser reads html >>


Can YOU read your exported files? What application opened them?

Michael D Novack
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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[Doug]

Adrien,
 one thing that would help in Australia is in the setup to be able to set the 
year start as 1 July, & end as 30 June. 
Currently the only options are the beginning of the year, monthly, quarterly, 
or absolute.
 I usually use absolute, resetting each year.

regards, Doug


On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 23:09:55 +1000
Doug  wrote:

> Thanks Adrien. Every year I need to send my data to my accountant who does 
> not (yet) use Gnucash. I did not have any success exporting to .qif files: 
> not sure why. (Would not read into Quickbooks)
> I thought a spreadsheet might be better way to go.
> 
>  This is a new accountant because my last accountant retired (at 85! & still 
> runs a farm: tough people these rural folk). Previously I supplied hard copy 
> reports because they were old-school.
> The new accountant is quite happy for electronic version, but last year I had 
> no success with her reading my files. 
> Basically, I have always prepared a report on each account for the 12 months 
> which detail my tax deductible transactions.
> I am no accountant, & even tho I have used Gnucash for years, I still have 
> issues every tax year but usually bumble through.
> 
> regards, Doug
> 
> 
> On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 13:14:05 -0500
> Adrien Monteleone  wrote:
> 
> > Regarding the export,
> > 
> > What is the purpose of the export and what data are you trying to get out? 
> > (there might be a way to craft a report in GnuCash that shows the same info)
> > 
> > What are the steps you are currently taking to do the export? 
> > (copy/paste/save report results or export -> CSV)
> > 
> > Finally, what spreadsheet app are you using to read the exported data? 
> > (Libreoffice Calc, Gnumeric, something else?)
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> > 
> > > On Sep 3, 2019 w36d246, at 7:26 AM, Doug  wrote:
> > > ...
> > > 
> > > I have had little success exporting successfully to a spreadsheet, but 
> > > that is probably my lack of skills. One advantage of the full history of 
> > > the accounts is when a property is sold: all the old figures are at your 
> > > fingertips which is much easier than the other well known commercial 
> > > products (which do not easily run on Linux anyway). I am a PCLinuxOS 
> > > user, also for many years (Easy to use & recommended too).
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I also would like to thank the developers. I have seen the advancements 
> > > over the years. The program is now far more polished than the early 
> > > versions. I have had hiccups, but never lost any data in 25 years!
> > > 
> > > regards, Doug (Nth Coast, NSW, Australia, near Byron Bay. Someone has to 
> > > put up with this lifestyle: sunny one day & perfect the next!)
> > 
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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[Doug]

Thanks Adrien. Every year I need to send my data to my accountant who does not 
(yet) use Gnucash. I did not have any success exporting to .qif files: not sure 
why. (Would not read into Quickbooks)
I thought a spreadsheet might be better way to go.

 This is a new accountant because my last accountant retired (at 85! & still 
runs a farm: tough people these rural folk). Previously I supplied hard copy 
reports because they were old-school.
The new accountant is quite happy for electronic version, but last year I had 
no success with her reading my files. 
Basically, I have always prepared a report on each account for the 12 months 
which detail my tax deductible transactions.
I am no accountant, & even tho I have used Gnucash for years, I still have 
issues every tax year but usually bumble through.

regards, Doug


On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 13:14:05 -0500
Adrien Monteleone  wrote:

> Regarding the export,
> 
> What is the purpose of the export and what data are you trying to get out? 
> (there might be a way to craft a report in GnuCash that shows the same info)
> 
> What are the steps you are currently taking to do the export? 
> (copy/paste/save report results or export -> CSV)
> 
> Finally, what spreadsheet app are you using to read the exported data? 
> (Libreoffice Calc, Gnumeric, something else?)
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> > On Sep 3, 2019 w36d246, at 7:26 AM, Doug  wrote:
> > ...
> > 
> > I have had little success exporting successfully to a spreadsheet, but that 
> > is probably my lack of skills. One advantage of the full history of the 
> > accounts is when a property is sold: all the old figures are at your 
> > fingertips which is much easier than the other well known commercial 
> > products (which do not easily run on Linux anyway). I am a PCLinuxOS user, 
> > also for many years (Easy to use & recommended too).
> > 
> > 
> > I also would like to thank the developers. I have seen the advancements 
> > over the years. The program is now far more polished than the early 
> > versions. I have had hiccups, but never lost any data in 25 years!
> > 
> > regards, Doug (Nth Coast, NSW, Australia, near Byron Bay. Someone has to 
> > put up with this lifestyle: sunny one day & perfect the next!)
> 
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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[Adrien Monteleone]

Regarding the export,

What is the purpose of the export and what data are you trying to get out? 
(there might be a way to craft a report in GnuCash that shows the same info)

What are the steps you are currently taking to do the export? (copy/paste/save 
report results or export -> CSV)

Finally, what spreadsheet app are you using to read the exported data? 
(Libreoffice Calc, Gnumeric, something else?)

Regards,
Adrien

> On Sep 3, 2019 w36d246, at 7:26 AM, Doug  wrote:
> ...
> 
> I have had little success exporting successfully to a spreadsheet, but that 
> is probably my lack of skills. One advantage of the full history of the 
> accounts is when a property is sold: all the old figures are at your 
> fingertips which is much easier than the other well known commercial products 
> (which do not easily run on Linux anyway). I am a PCLinuxOS user, also for 
> many years (Easy to use & recommended too).
> 
> 
> I also would like to thank the developers. I have seen the advancements over 
> the years. The program is now far more polished than the early versions. I 
> have had hiccups, but never lost any data in 25 years!
> 
> regards, Doug (Nth Coast, NSW, Australia, near Byron Bay. Someone has to put 
> up with this lifestyle: sunny one day & perfect the next!)


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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[Christopher Lam]

Doug VAT/GST is handled for nearly 2 years now -- see section 2.7 onwards
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Alternate_Australian_GST_setup
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Tax_Handling:_Goods_and_Service_Tax_.28GST.29_or_Value_Added_Tax_.28VAT.29
and a more capable "Income Statement" to report Aus BAS G1/1A/1B and UK
VAT box 1-9 will be in line for 4.0 onwards.

On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 at 12:28, Doug  wrote:

> Lyndon,
>  it has worked in Aus for many years! So long that I cannot remember the
> first version I used. (One of my old loans was dated 1995 to give an idea)
>
>  I used to run a business & when GST was introduced, it was a bit of a
> pain, but not impossible. Now I have retired, I use it to manage my bank
> accts & a rental property.
>
>  There are some things I would like to see, but they are not a deal
> breaker to me:
> -Management of GST for Australia (I think A similar system runs in NZ &
> other countries too).
> What this requires is putting the 10% GST in a management acct, then
> managing the remittance to the Tax Office.
> Also being able to manage changes/mistakes.
>
> -Yearly Tax Management, in Aust case, July 1 to Jun 30. (Prebuilt but
> editable filters that exported the data for Tax to a spreadsheet that I
> could give to my accountant would be great too.)
>
>  Perhaps in future releases these could be covered: There are many
> countries using Value-added taxes, so a way of plugging in the rates (ie
> dividers), then how it is managed would mean it would have general use.
>
>  The Yearly rollovers, & the tax management might also be covered with a
> rate table.
>
>  I have had little success exporting successfully to a spreadsheet, but
> that is probably my lack of skills. One advantage of the full history of
> the accounts is when a property is sold: all the old figures are at your
> fingertips which is much easier than the other well known commercial
> products (which do not easily run on Linux anyway). I am a PCLinuxOS user,
> also for many years (Easy to use & recommended too).
>
>
> I also would like to thank the developers. I have seen the advancements
> over the years. The program is now far more polished than the early
> versions. I have had hiccups, but never lost any data in 25 years!
>
> regards, Doug (Nth Coast, NSW, Australia, near Byron Bay. Someone has to
> put up with this lifestyle: sunny one day & perfect the next!)
>
>
> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 05:34:52 -0500 (CDT)
> Lyndon  wrote:
>
> > I just want to say thank you to the wonderful people who have given of
> their
> > time so freely to produce this superb programme.
> >
> > It even works here in Australia!
> >
> > Lyndon
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[Doug]

Lyndon,
 it has worked in Aus for many years! So long that I cannot remember the first 
version I used. (One of my old loans was dated 1995 to give an idea)

 I used to run a business & when GST was introduced, it was a bit of a pain, 
but not impossible. Now I have retired, I use it to manage my bank accts & a 
rental property.

 There are some things I would like to see, but they are not a deal breaker to 
me:
-Management of GST for Australia (I think A similar system runs in NZ & other 
countries too). 
What this requires is putting the 10% GST in a management acct, then managing 
the remittance to the Tax Office. 
Also being able to manage changes/mistakes.

-Yearly Tax Management, in Aust case, July 1 to Jun 30. (Prebuilt but editable 
filters that exported the data for Tax to a spreadsheet that I could give to my 
accountant would be great too.)

 Perhaps in future releases these could be covered: There are many countries 
using Value-added taxes, so a way of plugging in the rates (ie dividers), then 
how it is managed would mean it would have general use.

 The Yearly rollovers, & the tax management might also be covered with a rate 
table.

 I have had little success exporting successfully to a spreadsheet, but that is 
probably my lack of skills. One advantage of the full history of the accounts 
is when a property is sold: all the old figures are at your fingertips which is 
much easier than the other well known commercial products (which do not easily 
run on Linux anyway). I am a PCLinuxOS user, also for many years (Easy to use & 
recommended too).


I also would like to thank the developers. I have seen the advancements over 
the years. The program is now far more polished than the early versions. I have 
had hiccups, but never lost any data in 25 years!

regards, Doug (Nth Coast, NSW, Australia, near Byron Bay. Someone has to put up 
with this lifestyle: sunny one day & perfect the next!)


On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 05:34:52 -0500 (CDT)
Lyndon  wrote:

> I just want to say thank you to the wonderful people who have given of their
> time so freely to produce this superb programme.
> 
> It even works here in Australia!
> 
> Lyndon
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[Chris Graves]

I would also like to offer my heartfelt thanks to you wonderful developers.
Thank you so much for your awesome contributions to this wonderful program.

Chris

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 6:17 PM Rare Bear  wrote:

> Amen!
>
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> > I just want to say thank you to the wonderful people who have given of
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> >
> > It even works here in Australia!
> >
> > Lyndon
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Re: [GNC] Thank you

[Rare Bear]

Amen!

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 7:15 PM Lyndon  wrote:

> I just want to say thank you to the wonderful people who have given of
> their
> time so freely to produce this superb programme.
>
> It even works here in Australia!
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> Lyndon
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[GNC] Thank you

[Lyndon]

I just want to say thank you to the wonderful people who have given of their
time so freely to produce this superb programme.

It even works here in Australia!

Lyndon



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Re: [GNC] Thank you for your patronage

[Geert Janssens]

Op woensdag 3 oktober 2018 21:30:47 CEST schreef David Burleigh:
> On Wed, 2018-10-03 at 12:18 -0700, Cam Ellison wrote:
> > 
> > Whoops! Left out a directory.
> > 
> > Try
> > 
> > /usr/share/gnucash/scm/gnucash/report/invoice.scm
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Cam
> 
> Perfect! Thank you!

Note this will change will be undone each time you upgrade gnucash. For a more 
persistent solution look into making a custom report based on invoice.scm.

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Custom_Reports

Geert


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Re: [GNC] Thank you for your patronage

[David Burleigh]

On Wed, 2018-10-03 at 12:18 -0700, Cam Ellison wrote:
> On 2018-10-03 12:06 p.m., David Burleigh wrote:
> > On Wed, 2018-10-03 at 11:52 -0700, Cam Ellison wrote:
> > > On 2018-10-03 10:51 a.m., David Burleigh wrote:
> > > > How can I permanently change the message "Thank you for your
> > > > patronage" that appears at the bottom of printed invoices? I am using
> > > > GnuCash version 3.2 under Linux (Debian).
> > > The file is at: /usr/share/gnucash/scm/gnucash/invoice.scm. Look for
> > > line 332 or somewhere around there.
> > > 
> > > Cheers
> > > 
> > > Cam
> > > 
> > Well, thank you for that, but there's no "invoice.scm" in that folder. 
> > There are a dozen ".scm" files there, but not "invoice.scm". There are also 
> > several folders there, none of which have the file either...
> > 
> > ___
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> Whoops! Left out a directory.
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> Try
> 
> /usr/share/gnucash/scm/gnucash/report/invoice.scm
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Cam
> 

Perfect! Thank you!
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Re: [GNC] Thank you for your patronage

[Cam Ellison]

On 2018-10-03 12:06 p.m., David Burleigh wrote:

On Wed, 2018-10-03 at 11:52 -0700, Cam Ellison wrote:

On 2018-10-03 10:51 a.m., David Burleigh wrote:

How can I permanently change the message "Thank you for your
patronage" that appears at the bottom of printed invoices? I am using
GnuCash version 3.2 under Linux (Debian).

The file is at: /usr/share/gnucash/scm/gnucash/invoice.scm. Look for
line 332 or somewhere around there.

Cheers

Cam


Well, thank you for that, but there's no "invoice.scm" in that folder. There are a dozen 
".scm" files there, but not "invoice.scm". There are also several folders there, none of 
which have the file either...

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Whoops! Left out a directory.

Try

/usr/share/gnucash/scm/gnucash/report/invoice.scm

Cheers

Cam

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Re: [GNC] Thank you for your patronage

[David Burleigh]

On Wed, 2018-10-03 at 11:52 -0700, Cam Ellison wrote:
> On 2018-10-03 10:51 a.m., David Burleigh wrote:
> > How can I permanently change the message "Thank you for your
> > patronage" that appears at the bottom of printed invoices? I am using
> > GnuCash version 3.2 under Linux (Debian).
> 
> The file is at: /usr/share/gnucash/scm/gnucash/invoice.scm. Look for 
> line 332 or somewhere around there.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Cam
> 

Well, thank you for that, but there's no "invoice.scm" in that folder. There 
are a dozen ".scm" files there, but not "invoice.scm". There are also several 
folders there, none of which have the file either...

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Re: [GNC] Thank you for your patronage

[Cam Ellison]

On 2018-10-03 10:51 a.m., David Burleigh wrote:

How can I permanently change the message "Thank you for your
patronage" that appears at the bottom of printed invoices? I am using
GnuCash version 3.2 under Linux (Debian).


The file is at: /usr/share/gnucash/scm/gnucash/invoice.scm. Look for 
line 332 or somewhere around there.


Cheers

Cam


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Re: Thank You!

[Alen Siljak]

   I'll join in on the thanks list by saying that I'm getting happier by
   the day after recently switching to GnuCash. It's a wonderful piece of
   software. Double-entry accounting often saves the day and makes me
   wonder how could I live without it for so long.
   And the sugar on top of all that is the fact that I can tap directly
   into the database and create a report/view for any piece of information
   I want to see. I'm still getting used to this but finally I feel my
   hands are untied and I can create a set of tools I've kinda been
   waiting for years to be implemented by someone else.
   So, thanks guys for being there for so long and keeping this software
   humming along.
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Re: Thank You!

[Rachel Gibb]

happy new year! appreciate you all

On Mon, 01 Jan 2018 12:35:33 -0600, ph hermes   
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i agree. appreciate the developers and contributors. very much. happy new
year !


~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:
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I would like to give a great big Thanks to all the people that help us  
all
with issues and the users that also contribute.  I do not know how you  
can

be so patient when you ask the same questions day in and day out, but I
marvel at your persistence.  At any rate, I have been meaning to do this
for some time and thought the 1st day of a new year would be the time.

You guys rock!

Regards,

Les


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Re: Thank You!

[ph hermes]

i agree. appreciate the developers and contributors. very much. happy new
year !


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> I would like to give a great big Thanks to all the people that help us all
> with issues and the users that also contribute.  I do not know how you can
> be so patient when you ask the same questions day in and day out, but I
> marvel at your persistence.  At any rate, I have been meaning to do this
> for some time and thought the 1st day of a new year would be the time.
>
> You guys rock!
>
> Regards,
>
> Les
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Thank You!

[Les]

I would like to give a great big Thanks to all the people that help us 
all with issues and the users that also contribute.  I do not know how 
you can be so patient when you ask the same questions day in and day 
out, but I marvel at your persistence.  At any rate, I have been meaning 
to do this for some time and thought the 1st day of a new year would be 
the time.


You guys rock!

Regards,

Les


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Thank you

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David Cousens, Kevin Reid, Adrien Monteleone, Bruce Danielson, Mick
Hartzell, and Michael D Novack, thank all you to have helped me taking my
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