Re: sync.m

2010-02-28 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Actually, David's original comment is a bit wide of the mark anyway ... changes to the ObjectiveC2 code are rather more than just reindentation as it needed a bug fix or two and quite a few changes to fix c99isms which prevented it building on older systems (and the whole point of a compat

Re: sync.m

2010-03-01 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Nicola Pero wrote: As GCC 2.95.3 was released in March 16, 2001, it may make sense to no longer support it. Or maybe it does. I vote for supporting it. Me obviously too! Anyway the question really is - what is the oldest GCC that we support if it's not 2.95.3 ? 3.0.4 (released Febr

Re: NSTabView

2010-03-01 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, just for the record, I'm on Freebsd, x86-ia32, cairo 1.8.8.1 and I cannot reproduce your problem, cairo works for me. Riccardo ici...@mail.cg.tuwien.ac.at wrote: It's my own application which shows this behaviour. I do not have a theme enabled, I am using the cairo backend. Everything is

Re: sync.m

2010-03-03 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.1.2/gcc/Atomic-Builtins.html In NSObject, we have a lot of code for doing atomic operations, to support old compilers, and we still don't have (for example) fast paths for SPARC, ARM, or MIPS unless you use GCC 4.2 or newer. We only have fast paths on P

-zone in NSObject

2010-03-07 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I get from some applications this kind of warning on run: in gorm: 2010-03-07 19:11:56.888 Gorm[4340] File NSObject.m: 605. In GSObjCZone GSObjCZone() is deprecated ... use -zone instead Gorm opens fine for me and appears to work, but Gregory reports it has problem, but he didn't specif

Re: Gorm brokeness

2010-03-07 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, as with your TabView problems, I am unable to reproduce your problem. I updated GNUstep base and gui today again, I run gorm, make a new application, all palettes show up correctly and I can drag&drop everything as usual. I suspect there is something stup-dependent, since also your TabVi

declaration after statement as GCC option

2010-03-10 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, somebody suggested and added a certain flag to allow older gcc's to cope with some of the c99 features. Unfortunately that flag is not accepted by gcc 2.95 which was object of the discussion: Making all for subproject ObjectiveC2... Compiling file runtime.c ... cc1: Invalid option `-Wd

Re: Problem on NSColorPanel

2010-03-17 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Germán Arias wrote: Currently when you move the cursor to upwards at the color wheel, the cursor leaves a trail (see attached image. With today's SVN trunk code it works perfectly for me with the cairo backend. Riccardo ___ Gnustep-dev mai

problem during backend build

2010-03-25 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I get this while building Compiling file GSGState.m ... GSGState.m: In function '-[GSGState(Ops) GSSetFillColorspace:]': GSGState.m:300: warning: invalid receiver type 'void *' GSGState.m: In function '-[GSGState(Ops) GSSetStrokeColorspace:]': GSGState.m:311: warning: invalid receiver type

Re: problem during backend build

2010-03-25 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I fixed this by importing Foundation/NSValue.h I wonder why the commiter didn't notice that his changes broke the build? Riccardo Riccardo Mottola wrote: Hi, I get this while building Compiling file GSGState.m ... GSGState.m: In function '-[GSGState(Ops) GSSetFill

GWorkspace crash

2010-03-26 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, the recent changes, make GWorkspace crash or hang. I get a crash on FreeBSD if I try to close one of the viewer windows: #0 0x288e3a64 in objc_msg_lookup () from /usr/lib/libobjc.so.3 #1 0x282a231f in -[NSApplication(Private) _targetForAction:keyWindow:mainWindow:] (self=0x29046948, _cmd

Re: Next GNUstep release?

2010-03-27 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, yes I find it "due", we spoke about that before Fosdem indeed! This time we should really stabilize ad decide that for a period of a fortnight (or longer if deemed needed) where only bugfixes are commited! Not changes to the runtime or other far-reaching things. Also, fixes may produce bu

gcc version and declaration-after-statement

2010-03-27 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, what gcc version is -Wdeclaration-after-statement enabled for? I know it works for the gcc 4. series, it doesn't for 2.95. On one of my lesser-used computers I have gcc 3.3.2 and it is not supported. Could it please be disabled? Riccardo ___

Re: Next GNUstep release?

2010-03-27 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Additionally, for the Windows packages the default theme should be the WinUXTheme and not the NeXT theme on that system. Completely agree. I heartily disagree, even if I am the one that started working on it after the hiatus of Christopher and Fred! I understand all the pressure

Re: Next GNUstep release?

2010-03-29 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi I haven't kept up with the state of development/readiness of the windows theme, but I really don't agree with forcibly changing the default theme ... I know it makes me really irate on the odd occasion when Apple change default behaviors on OSX, and I have to look for the way to revert to

Re: Some apps issues

2010-04-09 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, 2) LaternaMagica can't display images (only in fullscreen mode) What version of gnustep and LaternaMagica are you running? I just tried against core from SVN trunk and CVS head of LM and all valid images display perfectly both in in-window as in full-screen mode. Are you sure your sys

Re: Some apps issues

2010-04-12 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi German, German Arias wrote: I have latest versions. But, after try many times. I found the problem only when you select "Scale to fit" before load images. I was able to reproduce the problem, thanks. It should be fixed in current CVS. Riccardo __

Re: Which bugs to focus on for the release?

2010-04-19 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Gregory Casamento wrote: Have we established a list of bugs we would like to be fixed prior to the release? I'd like to get a consensus about this before we do it. Fred has a small app which exemplifies breakages in the different backends with regarding rects stroked and filled. We did

opening problems with GWorkspace

2010-04-19 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, after the core release, I will do a maintenance release of GWorkspace (since the old one would not compile anyway, causing frustration among the users). I noticed some strange behaviour with the opening of GWorkspace, which did not happen before. Maybe a change in base which needs some

Re: Which bugs to focus on for the release?

2010-04-19 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi The switch to cairo as the default backend was a step that I should have done right after the last release. Doing so now is just not advisable. Or is it? I think not, libart should stick for this release, cairo will be for the next. Cairo has some problems here and there, although it is

Re: Which bugs to focus on for the release?

2010-04-20 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I don't think the problem is the explanation, it's that -core and -system seem to be meaningless names. Maybe renaming -system to either -dependencies or -development would make sense? Neither of those make sense to me though. -system is the package that contains all the required

Re: opening problems with GWorkspace

2010-04-20 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, 1) when using "gopen xxx" NSworkspace will launch also gworkspace automatically. Strangely, GWorkspace now opens and asks you "are you sure you want to quit" ?... 2) "gopen GWorkspace" will open a double copy of it causing grief!!! Could you be more specific what the problem here is?

Re: What happened to the code freeze?

2010-04-21 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Nicola Pero wrote: Looks like we have more commit right now during code freeze then we have at normal times. I would suggest that we give up the idea of doing more tests. As long as people cannot stick to a code freeze even for a week, I thought we were in "feature freeze" - ie, all commits m

Re: What happened to the code freeze?

2010-04-21 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, * I also wanted to look at the Cygwin port, but that may not have time before the release. I would appreciate that. I think it is currently broken, at least for me. Somebody worked here on the list, but he never replied me when I asked how far he got. Since I consider it broken, I would

Re: opening problems with GWorkspace

2010-04-24 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I finally managed to reproduce this bug and fixed it in svn. The issue occurred (only) on machines which are slow enough for GWorkspace needing more than 5 seconds to finish launching. The cause of the bug is a subtle error in r29864, where NSRunAlertPanel returns NSAlertFirstButtonReturn

compile/link problems on linux/ppc

2010-04-25 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, while compiling base on Linux/ppc32 with gcc 4.3.2 I get: Compiling file NSObject.m ... /tmp/ccwBOh8K.s: Assembler messages: /tmp/ccwBOh8K.s:8384: Error: symbol `incmodified' is already defined make[4]: *** [obj/libgnustep-base.obj/NSObject.m.o] Error 1 What could that be? A compiler erro

problems with gworkspace on windows

2010-04-28 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, with the latest version of core, GWorkspace displays a big black screen and nothing more, I think there are problem displaying the desktop. Once disabled it and restarted, the viewers show. This used to work. Perhaps some of the recent changes? Can some of you reproduce? I rebuilt twice...

NSToolbar and SearchView

2010-04-28 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, using Grr, I notice that the search component is again displayed wrong. I had fixed that (other issues remained, but they were to be considered minor and Fred knows that we have them on the table). Did someone revert or "work around" my fix? Riccardo ___

Re: compile/link problems on linux/ppc

2010-04-29 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, It's a duplication of assembler labels in inline assembler code that is used more than once. I have fixed that in svn by using a local label instead of incmodified. Code duplication occurs because GSAtomicIncrement is used in NSIncrementExtraRefCount, which is a public inline function. T

Re: NSToolbar and SearchView

2010-04-29 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, It was most likely Dougs commit 30143 that broke things for you. But as you don't describe in detail what is wrong, it is hard to tell. And you must be aware of that specific fix as you corrected some C99 issues you had with it. The search panels comes up way too small. I haven't checked

Re: Next GNUstep release?

2010-04-30 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, There hasn't been much progress over the last week. More bugs got reported than fixed over that time. We can either make a release now, with a lot of known issues, even some that weren't there a few weeks ago. Or delay the release indefinitely. Not fixed doesn't mean that it is not import

Re: Next GNUstep release?

2010-05-02 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, If these exceptions were Uncaught exception NSInvalidArgumentException, reason: NSObject(class) does not recognize type the issue is fixed now (the latest base changes had inadvertently made GSObjCAllSubclassesOfClass return all superclasses of the class). The problem on Linux/x86 is now

inconsistency exception with Grr on Linux/MIPS

2010-05-02 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I am a bit clueless, I get an exception when starting Grr on Linux/MIPS (the small Letux 400). Grr works for me however on other platforms like x86 and SPARC. Also, Grr used to work on the Letux too, I still have the saved articles I read in the past. Something in the recent (2-3 weeks a

Re: inconsistency exception with Grr on Linux/MIPS

2010-05-02 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Hi, I am a bit clueless, I get an exception when starting Grr on Linux/MIPS (the small Letux 400). Grr works for me however on other platforms like x86 and SPARC. Also, Grr used to work on the Letux too, I still have the saved articles I read in the past. Something in the recent (2-3 we

Re: inconsistency exception with Grr on Linux/MIPS

2010-05-02 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I tried to look at the code to understand where the assertion comes from, but failed to understand where the Article objects actually get created. It really would help, if you could send a back trace. Most likely the whole problem comes from a corrupt file. Have you tried moving all your sto

Re: inconsistency exception with Grr on Linux/MIPS

2010-05-02 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi I tried to look at the code to understand where the assertion comes from, but failed to understand where the Article objects actually get created. It really would help, if you could send a back trace. Most likely the whole problem comes from a corrupt file. Have you tried moving all your stor

Re: Next GNUstep release?

2010-05-05 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Fred Kiefer wrote: Thank you for the bug report. For me this isn't a show stopper for the next GNUstep release. It only affects Windows and mostly the WinUX theme. It may be a show stopper for that theme, but we already decided not to make it the default theme on Windows. Agreed, th

gnustep app crash, binary incompatibility introduced yesterday/today

2010-05-09 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, somehow between yesterday and today we introduced some binary incompatibility: I recompiled whole core today (the previous version I had was no more than 24-48hrs old) > Ink.app/Ink Unable to set up with [NSProcessInfo-debugSet] Segmentation fault (core dumped) after recompiling Ink, e

Re: Application releases...

2010-05-13 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, testers and feedbacks are welcome. I have somehow unofficially taken over GWorkspace and SystemPreferences. They are both in a reasonable state, although tests and possible patches are welcome. I don't even know if SP needs a new release at all. What concerns me is ProjectCenter. The rel

Release of libraries

2010-05-13 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I would propose Richard to release the webservices library. Also libobjc-1.0 would need a release. The current SVN is needed since the recent base changes. Riccardo ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/l

Re: [Gnustep-cvs] r30407 - in /libs/gui/trunk: ChangeLog Source/NSApplication.m

2010-05-17 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi Fred, Greg discussed this changed with me. We conducted tests on Mac, he also tested on OpenStep. We consulted Apple's documentation. I believe this change does the wrong thing. If I understand correctly what your code is trying to do, it loops over all the arguments to the process, ignoring

Re: compile broken by recent check-in

2010-05-21 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, The bug is fixed, works for me on Linux and WIndows now. It was a trivial: I forgot to include config.h in that file. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? It seems to be caused by the change to base/Source/ObjectiveC2/runtime.h in r30438. Reverting that one change enables the build t

Re: compile broken by recent check-in

2010-05-21 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, The bug is fixed, works for me on Linux and WIndows now. It was a trivial: I forgot to include config.h in that file. Actually, I did not solve it at all. I fixed base compilation. However it appears that config.h is not installed, so I wonder if there is an elegant way to solve this he

Re: Compilation error after recent change...

2010-05-29 Thread Riccardo Mottola
. Riccardo Gregory Casamento wrote: 2010-05-25 Riccardo Mottola * Source/NSBitmapImageRep+PNG.m Skip libpng's check for setjmp. I hope we are indeed correct. I'm wondering why the check for setjmp was taken out. GC On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Gregory Casament

Re: Testing for drawing fixes r30523

2010-06-07 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Did you have a chance to try this on Windows yet? We are stuck on moving forward with any new updates in gui or back until this is resolved, which is not good. I haven't yet, I was away for the week-end. I'm currently finishing to install GNUstep on Windows. Once I get the example runn

fix for 30094 breaks HURD compilation again

2010-06-10 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Yavor's patch is in theory correct, but in practice wrong. GLIBC is a mess to work with. I already tried to make the original code which used __USE_UNIX98 more portable. --- Trivial patch attached. GNU libc supports several kernels: Linux, GNU Mach+Hurd, kFreeBSD and (unofficially) kOp

Re: Application releases...

2010-06-10 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi Well, since that's you I'd like to see some of the bugs in GWorkspace. Specifically that sqlite configure bug (24995). GWorkspace has a bunch of "annoying" bugs here and there that make it a pain to use day-in-day-out I tried to amend that, the problem was actually both a bug and a feat

Re: fix for 30094 breaks HURD compilation again

2010-06-11 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, now using __GLIBC__ causes troubles on Hurd with GCC (and possibly other platforms which I don't remember), The Debian archive is full of code like this, so it's strange that it causes trouble. What is the specific error? Well, I just check for GNU and GLIBC as http://glibc-bsd

Re: Testing for drawing fixes r30523

2010-06-11 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Can I use the updated GDI API introduced with Windows 2000? I doubt anyone is currently interested in deploying Windows applications on older Windows versions, but let me know… I'm interested in using SetWorldTransform() and similar to support stuff like rotation. Doug, if you are stuck beca

Re: Application releases...

2010-06-11 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Stef Bidi wrote: Thanks... I'll try it out as soon as I can. Saw that you updated the bug report, as well, and will report back there. Build GWorkspace just a few weeks back on Slackware 13.1 (latest release) and it was giving me the same problems... sqlite3.h is found but it can't link a

Re: Testing for drawing fixes r30523

2010-06-14 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, first of all: the original question of Quentin was if it is fine to use W2K functions by breaking "older" platforms. A clear and sane reasoning showed that there is no problem with that, "older" platforms are out of our scope or not supportable since mingw does not support them. This is

failed to protect memory on Solaris

2010-06-14 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, on Solaris 2.7, when I start about any application I get this log: 2010-06-15 00:04:51.596 GWorkspace[12031] Failed to protect memory as executable: Invalid argument many times. Most applications do run afterwards, others crash. Where could be the problem? Riccardo __

Re: failed to protect memory on Solaris

2010-06-14 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, we discussed this yesterday, this is what I ended up with. A breakpoint on NSLog will tell you, but this is most likely in NSInvocation's code for protecting the buffer containing the trampoline, making sure that it is not both writable and executable. It is possible that your version of

Re: Some questions about GNUStep

2010-06-15 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, other have replied, but I'll just drop in my opinions too. In order to figure out how to best contribute to the development efforts, I have a few questions: How far are you for MAC OS X 10.5 level support in the AppKit? We support many methods ranging from original OpenStep (mostly Mac 1

problem with content inspector of GWorkspace

2010-06-17 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I noticed that the contents inspector of GWorkspace is unreliable. It works for folders, applications and images, but it doesn't work for RTFs at all and sometimes displays the contents of file which it shouldn't. The last release 0.8.7 already did this, when compiled against current GNU

Re: Minimalist GNUstep possible?

2010-06-18 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Thanks for the reply David, I apologize for my lack of correct terminology - I did mean just Foundation (as in, NSObject, NSDate, etc.) and .app bundles. What point do you have in an .app "bundle" if you do not have the GUI app itself and if you want GNUstep to be a ".so"? The idea th

Re: problem with content inspector of GWorkspace

2010-06-18 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, There were two issues here: As you might have noticed yourself, NSAttributedString was raising an exception when adding a nil base URL to the document importing options. The other issue is that GWorkspace is relying on NSAttributedString detecting the document type itself but this was not

Re: planned bugfix release of base

2010-06-20 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I was going to write that everything was okay, but you already did a release! I tried some BSD's platforms and Hurd. I also tried compiling on gcc 2.95 by enabling the string class substitution manually and everything seems fine. Thanks for the good work, Riccardo I'd like to do a b

GWorkspace's daemons not dying correctly

2010-06-22 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Originally, GWorkspace's daemons were autostarted, but never closed. This can be annoying in some situation (like running GNustep off a removable disk...) A while ago I implemented a way similar to gdnc: if autostarted, when the last connection drops the apps closes itself. It used to work de

Re: GWorkspace's daemons not dying correctly

2010-07-05 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Not sure. AFAIR, fswatcher always stops if the last connection is closed, whereas ddbd did never stop for me. I added some code to handle shut down in ddbd too. As far as I can tell it doesn't handle multiple connections and doens't count then in any case as fswatcher does, so I just shut

NSimageView and mouse dragging

2010-07-05 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, inside GSPdf (current CVS HEAD version) I subclass NSImageView to track mouse events. This "GSPdfView" is put inside a scrollview. I do not receive mouseDragged as expected, when I drag the mouse inside the image view are! However, if the image is small enough, I can drag the mouse in t

cario and shmget problems

2010-07-08 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, when using the cairo backend, I can get many many of the warnings below: 2010-07-09 00:58:39.230 ProjectCenter[4694] Warning: shmget() failed: Cannot allocate memory. 2010-07-09 00:58:39.260 ProjectCenter[4694] Falling back to normal XImage: s (will be slower). it often happens after hav

Re: cario and shmget problems

2010-07-10 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, The error that Riccardo got is complaining that shmget() can't allocate memory, which sounds more like a resource leak. This actually has nothing to do with X11 - the error message is generated in response to a system call failing, not in response to an X11 event. The most likely cause o

Re: xlib backend - Xft without fontconfig

2010-08-05 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi Derek, first a note: xlib is the backend with wich we cope the widest range of platforms, it is the most portable and compact. Thus before changing or increasing its depedencies I'd like to be careful. Xft is optional for us and it shall remain so. Are you implying that if Xft is found, t

Re: xlib backend - Xft without fontconfig

2010-08-09 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I even wouldn't mind to drop support for XGFontSetFontInfo, which is broken anyway. What I would like to keep is the ability to not require Xft. I hope that nobody is using XGFontInfo, but it should still be around when somebody needs it. At least for a bit more time. I still expect that we a

Re: gmodel loading appears to be broken

2010-08-30 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, At the moment I cannot find any working application that still uses GModel files. Perhaps this is a strong indication that GModel should be completely deprecated in 0.20. Maybe. We need to think about that. GNUstep is very reluctant to deprecate anything. Maybe to reluctant...

native objc-exception detection

2010-09-06 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, when using latest make/base, when I configure make, I get: checking for the flag to link libobjc... -lobjc checking whether objc has thread support... yes: -pthread checking whether we should use native ObjC exceptions... yes checking whether we should use the nonfragile ABI... not requested

Re: native objc-exception detection

2010-09-07 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi Nicola, Thanks for this report ... please try again from trunk. It seems better now, thanks. I'll test it on windows tomorrow too. Riccardo ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev

Re: [Gnustep-cvs] r31321 - in /tools/make/trunk: ChangeLog GNUstep.conf.in configure configure.ac

2010-09-12 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I think that patch should be reverted for the time being. Changing the default choices has a massive impact because most users never deviate from the default! ;-) Exactly why I did it ... after yet *ANOTHER* complaint from a user on the mailing list about being unable to use GNUstep

Re: Suggestion... renaming base, gui to Foundation and AppKit

2010-09-18 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi I don't think it is really such an important question, especially if we target distribution that will probably just automatically install all three components. 2) It would eliminate confusion between CoreBase and the "base" which is in the "core" of GNUstep i.e. CoreFoundation vs. Found

Re: [Gnustep-cvs] r31321 - in /tools/make/trunk: ChangeLog GNUstep.conf.in configure configure.ac

2010-09-18 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi Well then, the packagers come close to being in my category (4) then ... GNUstep should have a native setup for them so that the packages they produce will just work for the end users. Actually, I don't think that's ideal either ... we should assist packagers to produce better packages ...

Re: [Gnustep-cvs] r31321 - in /tools/make/trunk: ChangeLog GNUstep.conf.in configure configure.ac

2010-09-18 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, FHS is a Linux 'standard', not a *NIX standard. Most *NIX variants use something vaguely similar, but none use FHS. For example, on *BSD, GNUstep's decision to put GNUstep.conf in /etc/GNUstep/ is incorrect - this location should only be used for stuff that is in the base system. Third-

Re: [Gnustep-cvs] r31321 - in /tools/make/trunk: ChangeLog GNUstep.conf.in configure configure.ac

2010-09-18 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, In general, it is more or less irrelevant whether we like the FHS or not. As long as GNUstep works with this layout, and Nicola was kind enough to implement the revolutionary changes in gnustep-make 2.x (which made our lives significantly easier), what the default layout is doesn't matter (a

Re: [Gnustep-cvs] r31321 - in /tools/make/trunk: ChangeLog GNUstep.conf.in configure configure.ac

2010-09-20 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, * make 'fhs' the default filesystem layout (so, by default everything is installed in /usr/local/ using a Unix layout) (with the exception of apple-apple-apple because there people are using gnustep-make to compile Apple stuff, they're not really installing GNUstep) Fine.

Re: [Gnustep-cvs] r31321 - in /tools/make/trunk: ChangeLog GNUstep.conf.in configure configure.ac

2010-09-20 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi The reason is that we are making changes to make GNUstep more "standard" for the average Unix user. And standard configure scripts don't magically pull out installation directories by looking at a similar package already installed somewhere on the machine. That would be confusing for the

Re: [Gnustep-cvs] r31321 - in /tools/make/trunk: ChangeLog GNUstep.conf.in configure configure.ac

2010-09-21 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Well, it means people can start 'Gorm' by simply typing 'Gorm' at the command-line. :-) Also, the application starts faster that way, without the overhead of 'openapp'. You can still use 'openapp Gorm.app' if you want, but there is no particular reason to (and typing 'Gorm' will start the a

Apps crash on startup

2010-10-27 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, since quite recent changes (less than a week I suppose) on FreeBSD with gcc all apps do crash. Here a stacktrace for Ink: gs_objc_msg_forward (sel=0x283dbeb8) at GSFFIInvocation.m:137 137 c = receiver->isa; Current language: auto; currently minimal (gdb) bt #0 gs_objc_msg_forward (

NSPathUtilities and document directory

2010-11-11 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, what path(s) would you expect when getting the NSDocumentDirectory for the user domain path? Currently we get something like ~/GNUstep/Library/Document The apple doc. is cryptic and says "Document directory" and 10.2 only. What is different from the Documentation? I expected the users

Re: NSPathUtilities and document directory

2010-11-13 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, The apple doc. is cryptic and says "Document directory" and 10.2 only. What is different from the Documentation? I expected the users Documents directory (note the "s") and thus ~/Documents <..> Any proofs? Specifications? Tests on different macs? I did a test on the Macintosh and it

Re: Is our name confusing people....

2010-11-17 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I keep wondering if our name is confusing people as to what this project is. Since our name references a bygone standard (namely OpenStep) and we have already, admittedly, moved on to being more of an implementation of Cocoa than anything else the GNUstep name doesn't really convey what the

Re: Is our name confusing people....

2010-11-17 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Stef Bidi wrote: I just want to say that I agree with others have already said. I also like Riccardo's suggestion. Thanks.. AS for the names I made them up. Cocoa is still playing along "Java" "Kaffe" "Cappuccino" tune... "Cacao" is not a good choice: it is/was a free Java VM... I somehow li

Re: Is our name confusing people....

2010-11-17 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Ubuntu does offer GNUstep: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnustep&searchon=names&suite=maverick§ion=all I don't know how up-to-date it is, but it's there. It appears to be old. I just checked PRICE... it lists 0.8.3, that's from August 2008!! 1.0.0 was released in August 20

Re: Is our name confusing people....

2010-11-18 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I think it is not... especially if you want to use it with Thematic. The themes you show in your screenshots are pretty "simple". I even recognize some artwork coming form Neos :) I add some images for the themes I added at wiki: http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Themes I think currently

Re: Changing gui->AppKit, base->Foundation... etc...

2010-11-20 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi Conduct an experiment for yourself: Pretend you're a novice user who knows nothing about GNUstep and try to get things working relying on the information you have at your disposal on the website. Better yet, get a friend who is a developer, but not familiar with GNUstep to set it up. That

Re: Changing gui->AppKit, base->Foundation... etc...

2010-11-20 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I agree with all the discussions and proposals how to improve the Web page and that it is more important than the names (or changing them). IMHO the root problem is that we discuss it approx. twice a year, but do not find a small (sub) team who really takes care of it, grabs proposals and

Re: Is our name confusing people....

2010-11-20 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi - remove the "grey" screenshot on the home page, and use instead more proeminent screenshots that shows Windows and GNOME integration (I think that's what people such as Cocoa devs are interested in and not GNUstep as a NeXT-like desktop environment)… A clean NeXT theme screenshot could be

Re: Problem with GUI

2010-11-22 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I was about to complain about the same error: I get it when compiling any program. On the computer where I noticed it I even have libicu (3.8.1) installed. Riccardo Germán Arias wrote: Currently I can't compile GUI because I get the error: In file included from GSSpeechEngine.h:1,

Re: Menu in window

2011-01-07 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi Gregory, I think that at the end we probably need native GTK menus like on windows. However in-window menus are problematic and they should work, sicne ti is a theme feature. If you have a menu which opens a modal panel and the modal panel gets over the menu the sub-menu displays "above" th

Re: Git?

2011-01-24 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote: Why would we want to move to Git? I don't see any much benefit by doing that. And although nobody did mention anything about moving to git, I still want to made this suggestion that we should stick with SVN forever. Anyone is against m "forever" is a too strong statement.

Compile error on FreeBSD

2011-01-24 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, I get the following when compiling with gcc on freebsd: Compiling file NSDateFormatter.m ... NSDateFormatter.m: In function '_NSToUDateFormatStyle': NSDateFormatter.m:59: error: 'UDAT_NONE' undeclared (first use in this function) NSDateFormatter.m:59: error: (Each undeclared identifier is

Re: Compile error on FreeBSD

2011-01-24 Thread Riccardo Mottola
bly a missing #ifdef somewhere... David On 24 Jan 2011, at 22:30, Riccardo Mottola wrote: ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev

Re: Compile error on FreeBSD

2011-01-25 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, It compiles fine now, thanks. Riccardo Stefan Bidi wrote: Ah, that's my fault. We require libicu 4.0, but I forgot to check for GS_USE_ICU inside that function. Should be fixed now. Stef On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Riccardo Mottola <mailto:mul...@ngi.it>> wrote:

problem compiling base on NetBSD

2011-02-11 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, on NetBSD (x86, gcc4) since this morning I get: Linking library libgnustep-base ... unix/obj/subproject.o: In function `wRelease': /home/multix/gnustep-cvs/devmodules/core/base/Source/unix/GSRunLoopCtxt.m:44: multiple definition of `GSBaseCache' Additions/obj/subproject.o:/home/multix/gnus

Re: Next GNUstep release

2011-03-16 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, sounds fine for me, however for gui I'd like some more hacking. I need to find a way to run a compilation and a testsuite on my more exotic systems which are currently inconveniently tucket away. It could require a week or so. I'd especially like a run on gcc 2.95, a run on sparc and ppc

Re: GNUstep, Google Summer of Code, and an idea

2011-03-28 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, - Finishing NSTextTable, NSTextTableBlock, NSTextList,& NSTextBlock and adding relevant UI components (e.g. OS X has some inspectors for these that let you create tables and lists in a text view). I was going to suggest these too... They would help SWK to catch up with its mac counter

Re: gnustep-base code freeze

2011-03-28 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Can we please spend the next few days testing base but not making any changes other than documentation and any fixes for serious bugs (and perhaps the one number formatter bug reported by the testsuite). I'd really like a new base release this month, and there's not much of it left. S

Re: GNUstep, Google Summer of Code, and an idea

2011-03-28 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Do you think it is possible to add also certain task of the GAP project? Like a native obj-c library for the googletalk xmpp protocol? Or working on some of the GAP applications with precise tasks? I could offer mentoring again for those. However it is difficult to judge a task that spaw

Re: GNUstep, Google Summer of Code, and an idea

2011-03-28 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Like a native obj-c library for the googletalk xmpp protocol? This was my first Objective-C project (XMPPKit). It's been sitting in Étoilé svn for several years and I've been using it as my only Jabber client for most of that time... There's also xmppframework, which is a Cocoa fr

Re: sparc: ld: --relax and -r may not be used together

2011-04-11 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Of course, we now need testing with various compilers on various platforms. We switched from -r to -Wl,-r to have it work properly on both GCC and clang. Hopefully -mno-relax works with clang too. -Wl,-r is I think more correct. When looking at "others" who had the problem on the net, they

Re: sparc: ld: --relax and -r may not be used together

2011-04-11 Thread Riccardo Mottola
I can find this option. The closest is no-relax-immediate but not for sparc. What is this, black magic? The quest for the hidden undocumented GCC option? Riccardo On 04/10/2011 04:36 PM, David Chisnall wrote: On 10 Apr 2011, at 14:43, Riccardo Mottola wrote: The alternative is to add a

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