Re: OA's Problem Is Not Funding But Keystrokes: Solution Is Mandates

2008-02-18 Thread Klaus Graf
2008/2/18, Stevan Harnad : > The ID/OA mandate is to *deposit* -- not to make OA. There are no legal > strictures, for example, on Closed Access deposit. That's right. But such a mandate is in the same way helpful like convincing publishers that OA (= Open Access, not: Optional Access) is great.

Re: OA's Problem Is Not Funding But Keystrokes: Solution Is Mandates

2008-02-18 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Klaus Graf wrote: > Stevan Harnad wrote: > > > The ID/OA mandate is to *deposit* -- not to make OA. There are no legal > > strictures, for example, on Closed Access deposit. > > That's right. But such a mandate is in the same way helpful like > convincing publishers that OA

Homeworks on GAP and OAPEN (was "Books in Open Access")

2008-02-18 Thread Bargheer, Margo Friederike
Dear Thomas Krichel, dear all, Göttingen University Press has watched the developments of GAP carefully from the beginning on without being involved in it for some reasons. We are member in the follow-up GAP association however. Some points I would like to make: a) GAP Works is an IT-supported ed

Re: OA's Problem Is Not Funding But Keystrokes: Solution Is Mandates

2008-02-18 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Klaus Graf wrote: > Here are my mantras: > * There is poor empirical proof that mandates work. Poor compared to what? Compared to the exception-free evidence that non-mandates (invitations, recommendations, requests, encouragements, incentives) *don't* work? Yes, 38 mandates

Re: OA's Problem Is Not Funding But Keystrokes: Solution Is Mandates

2008-02-18 Thread Jan Szczepanski
Dear Klaus! Thank You for making these observations! Sometimes it's hard to breath when one reads Harnads mechanical same answer to every problem. Life is complicated without any easy solutions. I think that Harnads advice for making peace in Palestine, Afghanistan, Irak or Sudan would be "put

Re: OA's Problem Is Not Funding But Keystrokes: Solution Is Mandates

2008-02-18 Thread Klaus Graf
2008/2/18, Stevan Harnad : > On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Thomas Krichel wrote: > > > As Jean-Claude knows, I am a trained economist... > > > > Thus, here is what Jean and his gang should do: they should argue > > that the university should cancel physics, mathematics, > > computer science, economics j

Re: New Ranking of Central and Institutional Repositories

2008-02-18 Thread Talat Chaudhri [tac]
I imagine that this is precisely why the Computer Science department asked for the script to be written, to make sure that their pages will no longer be out of date. The knock-on effect is that other departments can get it too. I might add that it really isn't very hard to achieve, and is a useful

Re: How to Compare IRs and CRs

2008-02-18 Thread Paula Callan
Arthur & Thomas RE: -Original Message- From: American Scientist Open Access Forum [mailto:american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Krichel Sent: Sunday, 17 February 2008 2:10 PM To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subje

OA's Problem Is Not Funding But Keystrokes: Solution Is Mandates

2008-02-18 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Thomas Krichel wrote: > As Jean-Claude knows, I am a trained economist... > > Thus, here is what Jean and his gang should do: they should argue > that the university should cancel physics, mathematics, > computer science, economics journals (just to name a few > where de

funding open access

2008-02-18 Thread Thomas Krichel
Jean-Claude Guédon writes > As for funding, research is funded by governments and publishing should > be made a part of research funding. Waving the fearful banner of > unreliable government funding is totally gratuitous here I am not waving the fearful banner of unreliable government funding

Re: Books in Open access : OAPEN has been approved by EU

2008-02-18 Thread Thomas Krichel
Jean-Claude Guédon writes > It is hard to know if it differs from the GAP project when the URL > Thomas gave us leads only to one page with an e-mail. Can you clarify, > Thomas? I am not a project insider, so I can't comment on the project's (presumed) failure. Stefan Gradmann, or Eberhar

Re: How to Compare IRs and CRs

2008-02-18 Thread Arthur Sale
Thomas, what you actually wrote is >  Show me an archive, and a university, who will vouch that for a >  certain period, all that is in the IR  with free full-text >  is a equivalent to the university's authors' total research >  papers in the same period. Does such a university exist? Such a uni