dear all,
I agree with Stephan Harnad that there is the danger of publishers trying
to bend the rules for open access to their wishes and with the aid of a big
political lobby they will certainly try to do so.
Nevertheless I think that the letter of mr Sander Dekker is mis interpreted
in some
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Gerritsma, Wouter
wouter.gerrit...@wur.nlwrote:
@Stevan,
Yes Stevan the Dutch secretary of education his letter has quite a bit of
the Finch tone in it. But there are also some opportunities in his letter
for repositories. Dekker actually asks for exact
Re: The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK Netherlands: Part
Ihttp://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1073-.html
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Tom Olijhoek tom.olijh...@gmail.comwrote:
what would be wrong with all publishers adopting open access, financing
their businesses with
Dear Tom,
I expect San Dekker will have a very hard job to persuade publishers to
substantially lower subscription prices.
First: publishers see Gold OA in hybrid journals as a separate product/service
having nothing to do with subscription. Please read what Wiley's Bob Campbell
says about
Stevan,
The threat of Sander Dekker in The Netherlands is not to mandate fools gold per
se but to put the obligation to publish open access into the law:
Indien de betrokken partijen zich onvoldoende inzetten, of de ontwikkelingen
in onvoldoende mate vorderen, zullen de minister en ik
On Friday, November 15, 2013, 1:09:13 AM, you wrote:
The political approach may be necessary to get OA
enacted, but we need to implement OA in such a way that it
is immune from political influence. In my book, that seems
to be a perfect role for libraries.
This is a serious problem with
On 2013-11-17, at 2:27 PM, LIBLICENSE liblice...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Sandy Thatcher s...@psu.edu
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:02:15 -0600
Why should Green OA not apply to books if and when the authors are
receiving no royalty payments? What difference is there in the
intellectual content
I hope that Dutch researchers will seize the opportunity that
Wouter Gerritsma describes, and save the Netherlands from repeating the
mistake of the UK.
Note, however, that the Netherlands has flirted with gold OA mandates at
least twice before, and in both cases prior to the Finch report in the
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Bjoern Brembs b.bre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, November 15, 2013, 1:09:13 AM, you wrote:
The political approach may be necessary to get OA
enacted, but we need to implement OA in such a way that it
is immune from political influence. In my book, that
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Bosman, J.M. j.bos...@uu.nl wrote:
The threat of Sander Dekker in The Netherlands is not to mandate fools
gold per se but to put the obligation to publish open access into the law:
“*If the stakeholders involved do not show enough commitment, or if
Could we make sure that we do not use Gold too quickly as a synonym
for author-pay Gold. I meet ever more frequently with this confusion
and I think it deeply affects the quality of our analyses and
strategies.
Jean-Claude Guédon
Le dimanche 17 novembre 2013 à 17:38 -0500, Peter Suber a écrit :
*Finch Report II: A Review of Progress in Implementing the Recommendations
of the Finch Report (Accessibility, Sustainability, Excellence: How to
Expand Access to Research Publications)*
*Our review is based on a rigorous analysis of evidence from a wide range
of sources*.
Hardly. The Finch II
Libraries are definitely places where awareness occurs. They are the sentinels.
However, they don't have enough power (generally) to impose Open Access as a
permanent reflex with researchers.
The only way researchers can be convinced is through mandatory pressure from
the funders and/or the
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