[GOAL] Re: Jeffrey Beall Needlessly Compromises Credibility of Beall's List

2013-12-16 Thread Graham Triggs
On 14 December 2013 20:53, Jean-Claude Guédon jean.claude.gue...@umontreal.ca wrote: Regarding an earlier post of your that seemed to complain that OA advocates are using too narrow and too strict a definition of open access, you might consider that the publishing industry, for its part, has

[GOAL] Re: Jeffrey Beall Needlessly Compromises Credibility of Beall's List

2013-12-16 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Graham Triggs grahamtri...@gmail.comwrote: On 14 December 2013 20:53, Jean-Claude Guédon jean.claude.gue...@umontreal.ca wrote: Regarding an earlier post of your that seemed to complain that OA advocates are using too narrow and too strict a definition of

[GOAL] Re: Jeffrey Beall Needlessly Compromises Credibility of Beall's List

2013-12-16 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
Le lundi 16 décembre 2013 à 14:34 +, Graham Triggs a écrit : On 14 December 2013 20:53, Jean-Claude Guédon jean.claude.gue...@umontreal.ca wrote: Which terms have been introduced by the publishing industry? The majority of the terms that I see regularly were introduced - or at

[GOAL] Re: Jeffrey Beall Needlessly Compromises Credibility of Beall's List

2013-12-16 Thread David Prosser
Who introduced hybrid journals? I'm not 100% sure, but that may have been me! It seemed like a good idea at the time... David On 16 Dec 2013, at 20:28, Jean-Claude Guédon wrote: Le lundi 16 décembre 2013 à 14:34 +, Graham Triggs a écrit : On 14 December 2013 20:53, Jean-Claude

[GOAL] Re: Jeffrey Beall Needlessly Compromises Credibility of Beall's List

2013-12-16 Thread Sally Morris
Actually, as far as I can recall, the idea of 'hybrid journals' was first proposed by David Prosser of SPARC Europe in 2003, as a way for publishers to move towards 100% conversion to OA David will no doubt say if this is not so Sally Sally Morris South House, The Street, Clapham, Worthing,

[GOAL] Re: Jeffrey Beall Needlessly Compromises Credibility of Beall's List

2013-12-16 Thread Graham Triggs
On 16 December 2013 20:28, Jean-Claude Guédon jean.claude.gue...@umontreal.ca wrote: Who introduced hybrid journals? who introduced delayed open access - an oxymoron if there ever was one? What about Elsevier's universal access? etc. etc. Admittedly, universal access is somewhat confusing.