[GOAL] Fwd: Institutions: Ignore Elsevier Take-Down Notices (and Mandate Immediate-Deposit)

2013-12-20 Thread Jan Velterop
Elsevier's (or at least Tom Reller's) response is as expected, though it does show an apparent – mistaken IMO – belief in the idea that a 'final' manuscript is inferior to the published version of an article. Much inferior, actually, given that the published version purports to justify the

[GOAL] Re: new platinum open access

2013-12-20 Thread Richard Poynder
Thanks for posting this Donat, I am curious as to how much the Museum für Naturkunde, Berlin is paying Pensoft to publish these journals, and I would think others on the list might be too. Unfortunately, when I asked Pensoft for the information I was told that it was confidential. Since the data

[GOAL] Re: new platinum open access

2013-12-20 Thread Donat Agosti
Ultimately you might be right. But I see OA as a process to get open access to our research results. It is even not clear what OA means in itself, nor whether the way to it has to follow a certain path, beyond producing results or content that is literally free, unrestricted and open access to

[GOAL] Re: Institutions: Ignore Elsevier Take-Down Notices (and Mandate Immediate-Deposit)

2013-12-20 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Jan Velterop velte...@gmail.com wrote: Elsevier's (or at least Tom Reller's) response is as expected, though it does show an apparent – mistaken IMO – belief in the idea that a 'final' manuscript is inferior to the published version of an article. Much

[GOAL] Re: new platinum open access

2013-12-20 Thread Stevan Harnad
Link correction: http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/993-.html (final l was missing from the URL) On 2013-12-20, at 11:10 AM, Stevan Harnad amscifo...@gmail.com wrote: The Green/Gold Distinction.The definition of Green and Gold OA is that Green OA is provided by the author and

[GOAL] Re: Fwd: Institutions: Ignore Elsevier Take-Down Notices (and Mandate Immediate-Deposit)

2013-12-20 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
There are two separate issues here. On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Jan Velterop velte...@gmail.com wrote: Elsevier's (or at least Tom Reller's) response is as expected, though it does show an apparent – mistaken IMO – belief in the idea that a 'final' manuscript is inferior to the published

[GOAL] Re: new platinum open access

2013-12-20 Thread Richard Poynder
These are all good points Stevan. Personally I don’t mind what names people use. My point was that if the costs associated with subsidising OA journals were more transparent we might see more subscription journals flipped to OA. It might also lead to a more competitive environment for publishing

[GOAL] ROARMAP: U St Louis Brussels adopts 332 Green OA mandate (Liege/HEFCE model)

2013-12-20 Thread Stevan Harnad
ROARMAPUniversity Saint-Louis - Brussels http://roarmap.eprints.org/992/ University Saint-Louis - Brussels (20 Dec 2013) INSTITUTION or FUNDER URL: http://dial.academielouvain.be/vital/access/manager/Index?site_name=BOREAL MANDATE URL and TEXT Le Conseil de Recherche de l’Université Saint-Louis

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier, Flip your journals to Gold OA and/or offer an acceptable Hybrid Model

2013-12-20 Thread Dana Roth
One wonders if the dramatic decline, from 2001 to 2012, in both the number published articles (692 --288) the subscription price ($12598 -- $5931) had anything to do with Nuclear Physics B participating in SCOAP3? Dana L. Roth Caltech Library 1-32 1200 E. California Blvd. Pasadena, CA 91125

[GOAL] Re: Fwd: Institutions: Ignore Elsevier Take-Down Notices (and Mandate Immediate-Deposit)

2013-12-20 Thread Jan Velterop
On 20 Dec 2013, at 18:12, Peter Murray-Rust pm...@cam.ac.uk wrote: There are two separate issues here. On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Jan Velterop velte...@gmail.com wrote: Elsevier's (or at least Tom Reller's) response is as expected, though it does show an apparent – mistaken IMO –

[GOAL] Re: new platinum open access

2013-12-20 Thread Donat Agosti
Dear Stefan and Richard The MfN case is a journal that is not really subsidized but originally published also for exchange reasons between libraries, that is it has been used to get publications from other libraries. Thus this did not involve costs for purchasing subscriptions but could this