[GOAL] Re: Sharing and reuse - not within a commercial economy, but within a sharing economy

2015-04-13 Thread Heather Morrison
On 2015-04-13, at 11:55 AM, Jean-Claude Guédon jean.claude.gue...@umontreal.camailto:jean.claude.gue...@umontreal.ca wrote: 3. The simplicity of copyright? This must be a joke. Think about the tension between copyright and authors' rights (with its associated moral rights). Think about

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and open access question: who is the Licensor?

2015-04-13 Thread Graham Triggs
On 13/04/2015 14:09:02, Heather Morrison heather.morri...@uottawa.ca wrote: PLOS authors retain copyright. CC licenses are a waiver of one's rights under copyright. That isn't quite true - CC licences are an expression of the rights that you grant to end users, and the conditions attached to

[GOAL] Re: Sharing and reuse - not within a commercial economy, but within a sharing economy

2015-04-13 Thread Andrew A. Adams
While Jeffrey Beale may find it acceptable, moral and simple to assign his copyrights to a publisher simply for the benefit of being published, I find it an intolerable demand and while I do sign such in order to facilitate my career and to gain the benefits of dissemination in the best

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and open access question: who is the Licensor?

2015-04-13 Thread Andrew A. Adams
heather.morri...@uottawa.ca wrote: PLOS authors retain copyright. CC licenses are a waiver of one's rights under copyright. Graham Triggs grahamtri...@gmail.com replied: That isn't quite true - CC licences are an expression of the rights that you grant to end users, and the conditions

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and open access question: who is the Licensor?

2015-04-13 Thread Graham Triggs
On 11/04/2015 15:39:23, Heather Morrison heather.morri...@uottawa.ca wrote: For example, you have clarified that with PLOS CC licenses, PLOS is the licensor. That isn't what I said - I just agreed that your interpretation is probably correct. Are you an academic, or an employee of a company

[GOAL] Sharing and reuse - not within a commercial economy, but within a sharing economy

2015-04-13 Thread Heather Morrison
The title of this post is a direct quote from Larry Lessig - see below for context. When policy makers are requiring the use of CC licenses, particularly the more liberal licenses allowing for blanket downstream and commercial rights, they should be aware of the potential problems as well as

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and open access question: who is the Licensor?

2015-04-13 Thread Heather Morrison
hi David, If this is the whole story (no other agreement between author and PLOS), then the author is the Licensor, and PLOS is a Licensee, with exactly the same rights as any other Licensee. It would be helpful if PLOS would confirm whether this is indeed their practice. This could be

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and open access question: who is the Licensor?

2015-04-13 Thread Chris Zielinski
Heather, When you say CC licenses are a waiver of one's rights under copyright, I think this only refers to the right to reproduce the text, and not to other rights such as the author's moral rights. Of the moral rights, CC licenses stress the attribution of authorship - which partially

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and open access question: who is the Licensor?

2015-04-13 Thread David Prosser
On the publicly-accessible PLoS website we find (http://www.plosone.org/static/editorial#copyright): 3. Copyright and Licensing Open Access Agreement Upon submitting an article, authors are asked to indicate their agreement to abide by an open access Creative Commons license (CC-BY).

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and open access question: who is the Licensor?

2015-04-13 Thread Heather Morrison
Thank you to Graham Triggs for clarifying that his agreement that in the case of PLOS CC-BY licenses, PLOS is presumably the licensor is a personal opinion as a member of the public. PLOS authors retain copyright. CC licenses are a waiver of one's rights under copyright. This suggests that

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and open access question: who is the Licensor?

2015-04-13 Thread Couture Marc
Heather Morrison wrote : If a blanket [CC BY] license is granted, a downstream user would have to be psychic to know what kinds of commercial uses or re-uses might be acceptable or offensive to the original author. to which Graham Triggs replied: To the extent that the terms are compatible

[GOAL] Re: Sharing and reuse - not within a commercial economy, but within a sharing economy

2015-04-13 Thread Beall, Jeffrey
Regarding this ongoing discussion about Creative Commons licenses and scholarly publishers, I think it is fair to conclude the following: 1. There is much disagreement about what the licenses mean, how they can be interpreted, and how they are applied in real-world situations 2. The licenses

[GOAL] Re: Sharing and reuse - not within a commercial economy, but within a sharing economy

2015-04-13 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
With regard to Jeffrey Beall's arguments against CC licences, let me respond as follows: 1. What is the evidence about the claim that there is much disagreement about what the licences mean? We might see some disagreement about which licence to use, but each licence is about as clear as any,

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and open access question: who is the Licensor?

2015-04-13 Thread Heather Morrison
On 2015-04-13, at 10:35 AM, Chris Zielinski wrote: When you say CC licenses are a waiver of one's rights under copyright, I think this only refers to the right to reproduce the text, and not to other rights such as the author's moral rights. Of the moral rights, CC licenses stress the

[GOAL] Re: Sharing and reuse - not within a commercial economy, but within a sharing economy

2015-04-13 Thread Couture Marc
Jeffrey Beall wrote: There is beauty in the simplicity of copyright, that is, transferring one's copyright to a publisher. It is binary. The terms are clear. I must disagree here. One the one hand, it's clear that the publisher then owns the copyright in the work. On the other hand, as

[GOAL] Re: Sharing and reuse - not within a commercial economy, but within a sharing economy

2015-04-13 Thread Michael Eisen
That's a lovely sentiment Jeffrey, except for the part about copyright incentivizing publishers to make work available. It does just the opposite. It provides them a clear incentive to restrict access to the work so that they can compel people who need access to pay. On Monday, April 13, 2015,