[GOAL] Re: How a flat APC with no price increase for 3 years can be a 6% - 77% price increase at the same time

2015-05-14 Thread Heather Morrison
hi Michael, $1,350 USD plus or minus 25% is less than $2,000 USD, agreed. Can you explain what PLOS ONE does that justifies the $1,350 USD APC? My impression from my one attempt to serve as a PLOS ONE reviewer is that the model aims at something close to full automation of the process.

[GOAL] $1, 300 per article or $25, 000 annual subsidy can generously support small scholar-led OA journal publishing

2015-05-14 Thread Heather Morrison
Drawing from interviews and focus groups with editors of small scholar-led journals, I've developed one generous model that illustrates how $1,300 per article or a $25,000 / year journal subsidy can generously a support small open access journal. In brief, for a small journal publishing only 20

[GOAL] Re: Has the OA movement over-reacted to challenges on peer review?

2015-05-14 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
In his blog, Jeffrey Beall writes: I am not too surprised to find a journal that advertises fake impact factors and does a four-day peer review included in DOAJ:.. This is totally mean spirited. This is small. DOAJ relies on all of us, and in fact regularly asks for people to review the quality

[GOAL] Re: Fair Golf vs. Fools Gold

2015-05-14 Thread Stevan Harnad
The subject header should of course have read Fair Gold vs Apologies for the typo. (Someone will surely find a punny in there...) On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Stevan Harnad amscifo...@gmail.com wrote: Predictably, I won’t try to calculate how much a fair Gold OA fee should be because

[GOAL] Fair Golf vs. Fools Gold

2015-05-14 Thread Stevan Harnad
Predictably, I won’t try to calculate how much a fair Gold OA fee should be because (as I have argued and tried to show many times before) I do not think there can be a Fair Gold OA fee until Green OA has been universally mandated and provided: Pre-Green Gold is Fools Gold http://j.mp/foolsGOLDoa.

[GOAL] Re: Has the OA movement over-reacted to challenges on peer review?

2015-05-14 Thread David Prosser
In defending Jeffrey Beall, Michael Schwartz writes: Gratuitous insulting comments about [] character are inappropriate, to say the least.” I assume that Michael hasn’t read much of Mr Beall’s writings. Or is he being ironic? David On 14 May 2015, at 15:14, Michael Schwartz

[GOAL] Re: Has the OA movement over-reacted to challenges on peer review?

2015-05-14 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
Surprisingly, Dr. Schwartz has not yet noticed that a rather open and vigorous debate about OA has been going on for the better part of two decades, including debates among OA supporters. Mr. Beall is absolutely welcomed in this debate, so long as he debates (as opposed to taking potshots, for

[GOAL] Re: Has the OA movement over-reacted to challenges on peer review?

2015-05-14 Thread Michael Schwartz
I've read Mr Beall's writings. I'm not being ironic. How can the choir speak to more than the choir? Michael Schwartz Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2015, at 9:59 AM, David Prosser david.pros...@rluk.ac.uk wrote: In defending Jeffrey Beall, Michael Schwartz writes: Gratuitous insulting

[GOAL] Re: Has the OA movement over-reacted to challenges on peer review?

2015-05-14 Thread Michael Schwartz
Jean-Claude Guédon's comment on Jeffrey Beall's Blog is totally mean spiritedsmall. The many ongoing changes, consolidations, and innovations associated with open access require vigorous, open, and respectful debate. Presently in today's OA, we see the good...the bad...and the ugly. There

[GOAL] Re: $1, 300 per article or $25, 000 annual subsidy can generously support small scholar-led OA journal publishing

2015-05-14 Thread Reckling, Falk
That data are supported by an initial funding programme of the Austrian Science Fund (FWF) for OA journals in HSS, see: http://dx.doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.16462 best falk Falk Reckling, PhD Strategic Analysis Department Head Austrian Science Fund

[GOAL] Re: Fair Golf vs. Fools Gold

2015-05-14 Thread Hilton Gibson
On 14 May 2015 at 21:19, Heather Morrison heather.morri...@uottawa.ca wrote: We need to talk about copyediting. There are arguments for and against blind vs. open peer review, but blind copyediting is just silly. Many authors can do their own copyediting and proofreading; and when outside

[GOAL] Re: Fair Golf vs. Fools Gold

2015-05-14 Thread Heather Morrison
Thanks Stevan. Your comments are very helpful to my research, especially the corrections to my estimates on editing, and so I've copied them and replied on the blog:

[GOAL] Re: Fair Gold vs. Fools Gold

2015-05-14 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Jean-Claude Guédon jean.claude.gue...@umontreal.ca wrote: We are back here on an old debate between Stevan and myself. My take on all this is: 1. Authors seek ways to obtain prestige and visibility; currently, journals are about the only way to achieve

[GOAL] Re: Has the OA movement over-reacted to challenges on peer review?

2015-05-14 Thread Michael Schwartz
Well stated, Jean-Claude. I was not speaking in my role as a psychiatrist here - I speak as an advocate of open access - but substantially less enthusiastic than I was years ago. And you folks DO have a lot of power... So does Beall's list of Predatory Publishers. Yes everyone and all of us

[GOAL] Re: Fair Golf vs. Fools Gold

2015-05-14 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
We are back here on an old debate between Stevan and myself. My take on all this is: 1. Authors seek ways to obtain prestige and visibility; currently, journals are about the only way to achieve this; 2. Prestige and visibility of researchers are linked to journals that act as logos. The impact

[GOAL] Re: How a flat APC with no price increase for 3 years can be a 6% - 77% price increase at the same time

2015-05-14 Thread Michael Eisen
It is true that distributing publication services locally would diminish the risk of currency fluctuations affecting APC stability, but it does not necessarily reduce costs for authors. I am sure, for example, that most authors would be happier to pay APCs that varied +/- 25% around $1350 than

[GOAL] Re: How a flat APC with no price increase for 3 years can be a 6% - 77% price increase at the same time

2015-05-14 Thread Graham Triggs
Also worth noting that a flat APC in one currency actually equates to a price decrease in real terms over time. The effect of regional pricing in real terms is quite a bit less when you factor in e.g. local inflation. On 14/05/2015 07:08:49, Michael Eisen mbei...@gmail.com wrote: It is true