Re: [Goanet]Of Rt Wing Pubbies, Dabolim, Bernado Colaco, Philip Thomas and der Andamans

2004-10-28 Thread Frederick Noronha (FN)
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Dr. Jose Colaco wrote:
In the mean time, it appears that the Andaman Islands topic was glossed
over. Mr. Thomas, I put it to you AGAIN. In your considered opinion, Is 
India a  colonial power in the Andamans? If you believe, it is not, 
Grateful if you would provide some insight into WHY you think it is 
not.
The Andamans *is* a serious issue for India to grapple with; it deals with the 
question of how an aboriginal people quite different from the 'mainstream' in a 
multi-ethnic nation (in this case, from a completely different ethnic group) 
are dealt with.

Many other countries (including the Americas, including the 'West Indies', and 
Australia and New Zealand) have to face up to similar concerns. Various 
approaches have been adopted, some successful, others not.

India obviously needs a more-enlightened approach towards treating its 
diversity, if it is to avoid its costly Punjabs and Kashmirs, and is to be 
considered something different from the approach it bequeathed from British 
colonialism.

The issue has got some attention in India, but obviously far from sufficient. 
Another issue that has come in for greater debate is the manner in which the 
ecology of the Andamans are being severely impacted.

Incidentally, the Andamans isn't India's only problem area. It would have been 
interested to have a full-length discussion on this issue here, but one is 
loathe to give South Asia/India/Goa-bashers like Dr JC another handle!

Contrary to what Dr JC suggests from his obviously restricted understanding of 
the media here, such articles are put out regularly, specially in more 
outspoken publications such as Tehelka, Outlook, Indian Express and the like. 
In this, the Indian media seems to have followed more the 20th century British 
self-critical tradition, rather than the Portuguese (don't try to put all the 
blame on Salazar alone!) approach of nostalgia (or Lusostalgia) over the past.

Good for both the media (helps with credibility) and the country (doesn't help 
to sweep such issues under the carpet, as economist Amartya Sen has argued in 
another context).

What we however surely don't need is all this gratutious advice from someone 
sitting half-way across the globe, and obviously going on like the proverbial 
broken-record about the Andamans.

Interestingly, Dr JC's fixation with the Andamans doesn't seem to come one iota 
from a concern of what's happening to the people or the ecology there, but 
rather since this is a cheap way of scoring points in his 
India-is-terrible-after-1947 and Goa-has-collapsed-after-1961 viewpoints.

Sorry for saying it so bluntly, but this has been going on for simply too long 
and it needs to be said. Apart from the Andamans, the Siddis, Raulistic 
revisions, and blaming the journalists for everything going wrong in the State 
of Goa (I'm no fan of the way the media works here, but JC's understanding is 
way off target and his criticism is obviously motivated!) what else does he 
have to base his arguments on?

Guess I can expect a barrage of mocking replies, further twisted questions, and 
issues that take the debate into a never ending string of accusations and 
counter-accusations. Last word to you; I've had my say. -FN



[Goanet]Of Rt Wing Pubbies, Dabolim, Bernado Colaco, Philip Thomas and der Andamans

2004-10-28 Thread Dr. José Colaço
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It is interesting to note HOW thought-hijacking occurs. I for one believed 
that only Rt. Wing pubbies were capable of such diversionary enterprises.

Hell No!
Back to Dabolim and this huha about Harrier or MIGs. I believe Diana Pinto's 
main concern was NOT which type of plane the Navy was using for training 
flights in Goa, but the co-existence of highly INFLAMMABLE substance 
carrying pipelines in the vicinity of an airport used for Training Flights. 
That too, in a populated area.

But Oh! How that important point got Hijacked and Diverted.
Now, after much side-winding comparable to the Lisbon Alfama, Prof Philip 
Thomas has come back to the point which we already knew at the start point 
i.e. the Indian Navy will NOT accomodate the wishes of the civilian flying 
public.

It's the Navy's way or MOPA.
Looks like the Spoils of War point is real. I know that some 
super-sensitive folks get upset about this - and So be it.

This being the season for Flu and Fever (including election fever), I am 
impressed by the tack utilised by Philip Thomas.

The Fred Noronha obsession i.e. Bernado Colaco made a comment on Oct 6. He 
called the Dabolim situation 21st century Imperialism.

Philip took the Dabolim discussion via Churchill Alemao, Airport Authority 
of India, Goan objection etc, and roundly slammed Bernado for comparing the 
situation in Dabolim with Imperialism.

And rightly so!
Having said that,  I am always impressed by Indian officialdom's selective 
denunciation of colonialism - when there is SILENCIO over Tibet, there was 
SILENCIO about East Timor  definite SILENCIO about the Soviet Imperilism 
ANDthere are the Andaman Islands.

Please correct me if I am wrong. All these Press, Academic and 
allegedly-Nationalist guys who go Gaga over this and that, suddenly get 
tongue tied over the Andaman Islands. What is the deal fellas  fellis?

To Philip Thomas' credit, he has learnt well from the Rt. Wing pubbies. He 
took a long route via Boeing 707 et al before coming to the conclusion that 
the Indian Navy will continue to be inconsiderate towards Goa's needs.

In the mean time, it appears that the Andaman Islands topic was glossed 
over.

Mr. Thomas, I put it to you AGAIN. In your considered opinion, Is India a 
colonial power in the Andamans? If you believe, it is not, Grateful if you 
would provide some insight into WHY you think it is not.


good wishes
jc


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