George Pinto:
If there was no Congress corruption, there would be no basis for Advani to
do anti-corruption tours. One should not put bullets in your enemy's gun and
then be surprized when the gun is fired.
Response:
Does George suggest that the BJP or for that matter any ruling
Justice issues of Kandhamal, Dalit Christian demands raised at meeting of
National Integration Council
[The following is an abridged version of the points raised by Dr John Dayal,
Secretary General, All India Christian Council, at the meeting of the
National Integration Council at Vigyan Bhawan,
On a more philosophical note, I am reminded of a quotation that I came
across:-
I used to complain I had no shoes until I met a man who had no feet
Sometimes when we have to bear some hardship, it helps us to remember those
less fortunate than us.
Regards,
Marshall
Santosh Helekar:
I hope someone with the right background and expertise would provide him
with the knowledge he does not possess, by answering the diversionary
questions he asks below to cover up for his errors on the visa issue.
** **
Response:
It is unfortunate that Santosh
Santosh in his usual style has indulged in a lot of politically loaded
polemics (without any substance) that would put many a seasoned politician
to shame. Disregarding the same, I would prefer to focus on the main points
raised by me which he has been unable to explain.
1. Why were christians
Here is a case of an eminent doctor being punished.
Regards
Marshall
Ace cancer doc breached contract: HC
Swati Deshpande, TNN Sep 3, 2011, 05.31am IST
MUMBAI: The Bombay high court on Friday held that eminent cancer surgeon Dr
Praful Desai committed a breach of contract in the case of retired
Gabe Menezes: This is probably the best thing done by the NRI Minister for
Goans this year. Question is why was it a practise to favour only Hindus and
Sikhs before?
Response:That is because of Indian style 'secularism'. Dalit Christians and
Muslims are denied benefits which are extended to
I have been reliably informed that Narayana Hrudayalaya run by Dr Devi
Prasad Shetty located at Bangalore has one of the best facilities and care
at extremely reasonably rates. He has now branched out to many places. More
information can be obtained from the following websites:
Not contented with mandatory teaching of only the Gita in schools, doing
surya namaskar and various other Hindu rituals, the MP government has now
made it obligatory for all government schools to subscribe to sangh parivar
publications so that the youth can be brainwashed to its ideology. Isn't
The movement of Anna Hazare is slowly turning out to be a joke with all
sorts of characters jumping onto the bandwagon and painting themselves
holier than thou - politicians, businessmen,actors and now builders. What
next?
regards,
Marshall
Builders start protest in Belapur for Anna, end
Anil Desai:
1. I would support education in any language including Arabic in our primary
schools and govt grants for it provided there was money in the kitty.
2. I support the sizeable number of Goan parents who have no affection for
regional Indian languages to get their children educated in
Several IPS officers have waged battle with the Gujarat government over the
last decade, raising issues ranging from fake encounters to an allegedly
partisan role during the 2002 riots. The government, in turn, has charged
them in various cases, denied them promotions and given them postings
This is with reference to Rajan Parrikar's post in response to Rajiv Desai's
post.
While Rajan's post makes good and interesting reading, he completely skirts
the main issue of the MoI controversy.
As I understand it, the opposition of the Marathi lobby (I would
avoid hyphenating the konkani
For the first time, the world will hear Konkani, the language spoken by
people in the coastal states of Karnataka, Kerala, Goa, Maharashtra and
Gujarat. And it will be heard at ‘Wikimania’ — world conference on language
interface and web media organised by the Wikipedia group at Haifa in Israel
Sociologist and author Dipankar Gupta is of the belief that India has always
been intolerant, We don't accept different ideas, our minds are closed to
those who are not like us. We lack empathy and the government too doesn't
want to act.
Anil Desai posted:
1.'We along with parents feel that medium of instruction should be in
Marathi. A child should be taught in his/her regional language, as they
understand it better than any other language.- *Suresh Ghatwal, School
Principal*
2.'I strongly oppose the move of teaching our
John Gomes;
Nobody can act like Superman/Dictator,Everything will be transparent and
accountability is built in! The Lokpal has many members, with well thought
out checks and balances, and arms in all States. There are stringent
selection processes, procedures for removing members or the
Soter D’Souza:
There are some who are busy administering sedatives on goanet to allay the
fears of the minorities in Goa while the cancer is allowed to spread. We
would like to make it clear that we do not generalise this malaise to the
whole of any community as there is a sizeable chunk
*Rajendra Kakodkar:*
It was the Diocesan Society which mooted the idea of government grants
to English MoI. Their motivation came from the fact that the catholic
community was preferring private English schools in preference to
church run Konkani schools, a genuine reason. The PTAs of the
In this season of MoI controversy,* *I would like to share some lighter
verse on the English language which I came across. I hope you enjoy it as
much as I did.
Regards,
Marshall
*An Ode to English language!*
**
We'll begin with a box, and the plural is boxes, but the plural of ox
becomes
*John Gomes:*
The government says a strong Lokpal will be answerable to nobody,
civil society is trying to rewrite the Constitution and only higher
bureaucracy may be included!
I have been listening to the debates on TV and I can see that they are
fighting tooth and nail to defend their
Floriano,
May I suggest that you file a PIL in the HC asking it to levy fines on the
organisers of the bandh. This would be an apt way of bringing them to their
senses. In Maharashtra, bandhs are now a thing in the past after the BJP/ SS
were fined by the HC. Refer articles below.
Regards,
With reference to the statement on Macaulay, kindly refer to the article by
Jean Dreze, father of the NREG scheme who writes as under:
Extract:
The most insidious part of the BJP manifesto's preamble is a fake quote
attributed to Thomas Babington Macaulay. According to Joshi: India's
U G Barad:
Soter posted below mentioned links with the above subject line:
RSS supports Ramdev, govt in quandary
BJP comes out in support of Baba Ramdev
Since the links came from Soter I read all the links. I personally do not
see what is communal in these reports.
Can Soter please explain?
Domnic Fernandes:
Some children were required to graze their cattle (cows, buffaloes, goats,
etc) on the hill or in the fields. They carried their books with them and
studied their lessons while their cattle grazed.In the evening, they had to
make sure every member of the cattle got inside the
Selma Carvalho:
When we chip away at free speech, we undermine the very fundamentals of
democracy.
Response:
1. Freedom of speech or expression is not absolute in any democracy or civil
society. It is tempered with a sense of responsibility.
2. Freedom to dissent is as important as freedom of
KANDHAMAL UPDATE - 8 MAY 2011
JUSTICE STILL ELUDES THE CHRISTIAN VICTIMS, AND MANY ARE TO BLAME FOR IT
JOHN DAYAL
There has been just one conviction for murder in 20 cases of the brutal
killing of Christians of Kandhamal, Orissa, at the hands of Hindutva
fanatics, and mobs led by them, during
RECENT DEATHS: Fr Anil Soares sj, former principal of St Britto's Mapusa,
and popular educationist. Son of Aloysius
Soares, educator, Aldona
Comment:
I understand that Fr Anil Soares was the son of Edward Soares of St Thomas
School, Aldona and not Prof Aloysius Soares. He was an ex-student and
Prof Sebastian Borges:
Therefore only Konkani schools should qualify for grants; I understand that
this is the custom that prevails in the rest of India.
Response:
In Maharashtra even English medium schools get government grants. However,
some years back, the government stopped giving grants
Apropos the debate taking place on the MoI, here is an interesting news item
based on a study at the SNDT University. Of course, the demand for
grants-in-aid to English medium schools and the right of choice of medium
are separate and independent issues and not to be mixed up with this
article.
My apologies for providing the incorrect text and weblinks. Here are the
reports that appeared in India's national newspapers of 28th and 29th April
2011.
*US body again hauls up India for communal riots
*Washington: The US Commission for International Religious Freedom has,for
the second year
PTI, Aug 13, 2009, 09.01am IST
WASHINGTON: The US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF)
has placed India on its Watch List for New Delhi's largely inadequate
response in protecting its religious minorities.
In a statement, USCIRF said India earned the Watch List designation due
Milind Ghatwai Posted: Fri Apr 15 2011, 01:56 hrs Bhopal:
An official survey ordered by the police headquarters here seeks to find out
details about the Christian population in Madhya Pradesh, including their
total strength, the political patronage they enjoy, the source of funding of
Capt Gerald Fernandes:
We thought he was a Doctor though we are not aware whether he is a medical
doctor or another Dr holding a Phd. in some popular or obscure field of
human endeavour.
Comment:
Here is a clue. DR U G barad holds a doctorate in a subject which is part of
his name. Guess!!!
Dr Barad:
Anyway, How about Sonia to be President and son Rahul to be Prime Minister
of India?
Response:
Why not? Our neighbour Sri Lanka has shown the way. Mother Sirimavo
Bandaranaike was President and daughter Chandrika Kumaratunga was PM at the
same time.
Regards,
Marshall
Floriano Lobo:
I had similar something to say at this meet just like Tavleen Singh has
said and more THAT I DON'T LIKE TO BE SEEN WITH HYPOCRITES.
Response:
Floriano, I hate to say this. But if you are unable to distinguish the chaff
from the wheat, you have an uphill task coming even close to
Soter D'Souza:
Since when has the internet become a certification authority on someone's
character and ideology? There are many several companies promising you the
sky on internet? Are they genuine and does the product details conform to
the actual product? If India has been reduced to a country
Floriano Lobo makes the foll points:
1. People who want to abolish corruption must get into the political
mainstream either by volunteering to contest elections on a non-corrupt road
map which is totally written down and published OR find such persons who
will contest on this non-corrupt agenda
I came across this very inspirational story and thought of sharing with you.
http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/theWeekContent.do?BV_ID=@@@contentType=EDITORIALsectionName=TheWeek%20HealthprogramId=7088435contentId=9043657
BY *YOGINDER SIKAND*
SOCIOLOGIST AND CRITIC
*IN 1935,* the British arranged for a number of ‘low’ castes, whose names
were specified in a schedule (hence called Scheduled Castes), to be given
reservation in government jobs and elected bodies. These castes were not
defined by religion, and
Here is Arun Shourie's response to the allegations made against him in the
VSNL deal below. Arun Shourie's response was contained in the same issue of
Outlook magazine. I wonder why his response was not not posted alongwith
the original article maligning him so that readers could derive their
Vasant Baliga:
Did Arun Shourie gift the Tatas 773 acres of land which should have been
demerged before VSNL’s disinvestment but wasn’t?
Response:
While I do not agree with the political ideology of Arun Shourie, I have
great trust in his personal integrity. I am sure he will come out with an
You should enjoy this song 'Shame and scandal in the family' which was quite
popular in the 70's/80's. Listen to the lyrics and enjoy the music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtAuDCLVlXg
Regards,
Marshall
Gerald Fernandes:
The Parish of St. John the Baptist at Thane in Mumbai actively recommends
and supports burial in a shroud, quite akin to the shroud used to cover the
body of Christ,
Response:
It is good to know that St John the Baptist Church has supported simplicity
in the burial of its
Pandu Lampiao:
Timo-tee bought a flat on the Cuffe Parade road/Woodhouse road
junctionits a blue and white building (not sure of the name) He still
survives the last one heard after someone popped a couple at him below his
residence.
Comment:
Timothy who was shot at by the underworld left
Published: Friday, Mar 4, 2011, 0:41 IST
By *Joanna Lobo* | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA
Consider this: she is 102 years and two months, is a mother of four and
grandmother of six and has witnessed events we learned about in history
books. The ‘oldest living resident’ in the tiny Goan village
Looks like Ariosto's email account has been hacked. Can someone who has
access to his alternative email account kindly inform him. Thanks.
Regards
Marshall
-- Forwarded message --
From: Ariosto Coelho ariostocoe...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 6:08 PM
Subject: Hi
To:
What is important is not half day or full day school. It all depends on the
quality and quantity of work done. During my time we had school from 9 am to
4 pm with a lunch break of 1 hour and two mid-day breaks of 15 minutes each.
But such was the quality of work done in the classrooms that we did
Dear Roland
That was a very nice piece. Living in Bombay, some of the places mentioned
by you are familiar to me. Some of the landmarks like Bastani's have closed
down. Other Irani restaurants have sold out as they fetched good real estate
prices due to their strategic locations. You may have
Jane Rodrigues:
Pls pray that the Cong-I Government, led by Madame Sonia Gandhi does not
demolish the Crosses that were there from Pre-Independence time, as per the
Demolition Notices which were served to all the Crosses in Maharashtra, a
few days ago.
Response:
Dear Jane, the BMC is ruled by the
*
Part 2 of Justice Michael Saldanha's Report
CONCLUSION:
*
It is true that this Report reads like a disaster story but unfortunately,
it deals with a disaster situation and can reflect nothing else. It is
shameful that these incidents took place in the State of Karnataka, my home
State which I
This is a report on the Karnataka violence against Christians conducted by
Justice Michael Saldanha at the instance of PUCL and Transparency
International (Karnataka). It is a must read for all those who value Peace
and Communal Harmony and also stand for Truth and Justice.
Gabe
I am sure will like this one
You will never grow old by Nat King Cole
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3RNorIX3wgfeature=related
Regards,
Marshall
Santosh Helekar:
In 2010 alone, the Maoists killed a total of 526 innocent civilians and
security personnel.
Response:
Here are some reports on criminal behavior displayed by security forces. It
would be interesting to see how well Santosh is able to defend and justify
such behaviour.
Excerpts:
Rajan Parrikar:
The scoop on Advani's 'apology' to Sonia is now emerging. It was nothing of
the sort although the Kangress-purchased media translated regret for
Sonia's distress as apology and spun it as if she had been absolved of
Swiss bank money. Our own local
independent journo jumped
Santosh Helekar:
Is he saying that we need less people like Mashelkar and more people like
Arundhati Roy?
Response:
India needs more people like Mashelkar as well as Arundhati Roy, Medha
Patkar, Teesta Setalvad and Dr Binayak Sen. They are the voices of the
underdog, the downtrodden and the
Soter:
I am sorry, as you say we live in different worlds and we are happy in our
world. We do not measure our progress in dollars and pounds. Money is not
everything for us.
Comment:
It is useful to remember that money isn’t everything. There are many things
that cannot be had for money. Here’s
Former judge of Karnataka High Court M.F. Saldanha said on Saturday that the
final report of the Justice B.K. Somasekhara Commission, which went into the
church attacks in the State in September 2008, “has buried the truth and is
a bundle of falsehoods”.
He was speaking at a public meeting
Posted by: Bombay Catholic Sabha, Kalina mangaloreancathol...@gmail.com
Mon Feb 7, 2011 6:10 am (PST)
THE CHURCH IN INDIA: THREE ISSUES, THREE CHALLENGES
- Fr. Cedric Prakash sj
In the last couple of months, the country and very specially the
Church in India, has been confronted by three major
*Somasekhara Commission Report: Inconsistencies, contradictions and a
failure of public reasoning: Arvind Narrain and BN Jagadeesha*
When the Justice Somasekhara Commission was constituted to inquire into the
church attacks in Karnataka in September,2008, it was seen as a move to ward
of
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main48.asp?filename=Ne120211TheList.asp
Further to my post of 3.2.2011 below, I have been informed that the weblinks
given by me could not be opened. Hence I am reproducing the entire text for
the benefit of readers.
*Gabe Menezes:*
*Is it really against the Hindu religion to slaughter oxen? The Hindus in
Nepal have a slaughter fest
*Gabe Menezes:*
*Is it really against the Hindu religion to slaughter oxen? The Hindus in
Nepal have a slaughter fest once every five years.*
Response:
As per D N Jha, a noted historian, there is nothing in the Hindu religion
against the consumption of meat or beef. In fact in Vedic times,
Not just Muslims, Lt Colonel Prasad Srikant Purohit and his Abhinav Bharat
also targeted Christians in several locations including Kandhamal in Orissa,
North Karnataka, Pune, Jabalpur and Bhopal. And that Malegaon blast accused
and Purohit’s key aide Sameer Kulkarni was allegedly behind the
I refer to T V Mohandas Pai's article reported in the Times of India under
the heading 'I fear for my Goa!
I had expressed similar ideas for the revival and rejuvenation of Goa nearly
two years ago. Nothing much has changed since then.
Rajendra Kakodkar:
Pork is general word. There are at least three types of pork. First is
Goo-Dukor, which was consumed by Christians in Goa . Then there is
Raan-Dukor relished by Goan Hindus and Christians. Finally, the Farmed-Dukor
in US, Europe etc and 5stars. There could be more.
Also need
*Posted: Wed Jan 26 2011, 00:12 hrs New Delhi: *
To do away with any misreading of its intention in the Graham Staines’
murder judgment, the Supreme Court on Tuesday replaced remarks linking the
gruesome deaths of the Australian missionary and his two sons to his
religious work.
This time, the
Freedom, faith, fear
Two decisions of the Supreme Court of India in the month of January
projected starkly contrasting symbols about the rights of tribal people in
India. On the one hand, the court made a very powerful symbolic statement in
a case which highlighted atrocities committed against
Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão:
Because we all Goans relish Pork meat pork sausages.
Response:
Pork and pork products are very popular in the North-east as well as in
Nepal. In fact, I was surprised to find the Hindus in Khatmandu, Nepal
relishing pork while I, a goan, was avoiding it for
The Supreme Court on January 21 upheld the verdict of the Orissa high court
and gave a life sentence to Bajrang Dal activist Dara Singh, who burnt alive
Australian missionary Graham Staines and his two sons, Philip and Timothy,
aged 10 and six respectively, on the night of January 22, 1999, as
Gabe and Selma
If you remove the smokescreen of the 'Portuguese', the object of their
hatred and venom is very obvious.
Regards,
Marshall
Read about the man who began with terror in the Dangs in 1998 and slowly
graduated to terror at the all-India level.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/From-a-swami-to-kingpin-of-Hindutva-terror/articleshow/7220390.cms
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Goa Sudharop Annual Awards
January 5, 2011 - 3:45
Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at
Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come
along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm).
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I wish each and every one of you and your families a very Blessed Christmas
and a Joyful New Year.
Regards,
Marshall
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Charudatt Prabhudesai:
Just for record, politically speaking ( religious fundamentalism is going to
be the one major force in world politics in the near future, whether we like
it or not - against the left bloc) Goa has best chance to align with the
Hindu politics. Without that, she may as well be
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Book Release: Goanetter Valmiki Faleiro's Patriotism in Action
Dec 18, 2010 (Sat)
Roland Francis:
Where is James Fernandes today?
Response:
He lived in Auchit Vaddo, Assonora Khory, Bardez Goa ie. when I last met him
and his warmhearted and homely wife, Velsa and children. I guess he would
still be living in the same place.
Regards,
Marshall
Eddie Fernandes:
The book is available online, for free at:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?tbs=bks%3A1tbo=1q=8170223091btnG=Search+Bo
oks
For related books see
http://books.google.co.uk/books?q=related:ISBN8170223091id=6UKFHNfjKLgCsou
rce=gbs_similarbooks_scad=1
Response:
Thanks a ton Eddie for
Oscar Lobo:
And by the way, I was asked Why do we have a Sikh as the Governor of Goa?
Don't we have reputable Goans left in Goa for this position? How can one
respect our identity with a Governor from other state?
Response:
As per the Constitution or maybe practice (I need to check and confirm)
Roland
I read with keen interest your extract from the book IN QUEST OF FREEDOM by
James Fernandes (Concept Publishing New Delhi).
Prof James Fernandes hails from my village and vaddo in Assonora and was a
close friend of my father. Sometime back during a discussion on the role of
freedom
Santosh Helekar:
This is not true at all. There is a lot of criticism of Hinduism and Islam
published by respectable outlets in western democracies. Islamophobia is
quite rampant in the U.S. in particular. Here is an article criticizing
Hindus in the New York Times:
Gabe, hope you like this one. One of my favourites and an evergreen one.
Beautiful words and lilting melodies. Whispering Hope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJYSzzp_nZI
Regards,
Marshall
Vasant Baliga:
There is a very fine line between Desh Premis and Desh Drohis-One person's
Desh Premi is another person's Desh Drohi as can be seen in the case of
Arundhati Roy-a sizable coalition comprising the so called white wine
drinking intelligentsia, Maoists,Nihilists and Separatists
http://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/report_unchained-melody-of-goa_1471790
Frederick Noronha:
Corruption is not a Congress-versus-BJP debate. Neither is communalism.
Response:
I agree with you wholewheartedly that corruption is not restricted to
just the Congress or BJP. It is has become part of the system. Only
labels change depending upon who is in power at the
and not to
entire nation? If so, which is that hiding force?
Although answers are self-evident, I expect Marshall Mendonza will answer
them.
In telecom scam, Manmohan Singh is not only guilty of omission but is on the
verge of being accused of complicity.
Response:
I am posting a few
Telecom scams in India are old hat. It has been happening ever since the
telecom sector was opened to private participation over 10 years ago. The
scams have taken place both during Congress as well as BJP rule. More
importantly, the BJP who is now crying hoarse, did not allow Parliament to
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Needlework-Nuns/articleshow/6014922.cms
The chickens are slowly coming home to roost. The perpetrators of communal
attacks against the Christians in the Dangs in 1998 encouraged by the BJP
which turned a blind eye to its activities are now being arrested for
terror attacks in Ajmer, Malegaon, Hyderabad. Sometimes Truth and Justice
We have been reading quite a bit on the telecom scam here in this forum
mostly culled out from sangh parivar publications which has its own biases
and slants.
Here is an interview of Kapil Sibal by Arnab Goswami on Times Now which
gives the other point of view.
For the atheists on this list here is some food for thought.
http://m.timesofindia.com/PDATOI/articleshow/6942693.cms
Regards,
Marshall
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It is sad to see one of the success stories of India going sour.Micro
finance (pioneered by Mohammed Yunus of Bangladesh of Grameen Bank fame and
a Nobel Peace prize winner) was sought to be emulated in India by USA
returned Dr Vikram Akula. It was a great success initially until greed
overtook
U G Barad:
Perhaps it is necessary to revise this reliance given based on what
information is now available from the comments by the judges in the Ayodhya
judgment. The enclosed article makes, some what I consider to be,
disturbing observations.
Response:
Please read the foll article-
Two
U G Barad:
Marshall Mendonza tried to clear the cloud gathered after reading Gabe
Menezes's posting titled as in the subject line. (Marshall's posting
reference: Goanet Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1181, Message 3, dated: Saturday,
October 30, 2010 6:04 AM)
After reading complete article (responses Para
U. G. Barad:
Here are a few things that Dr Konraad Elst stands for:
1. He is aligned with the right wing in Belgium as well as in India.
2. he is intensely anti-Islam ( hence a suitable bed-mate for the
hindutvawadis)
Mr. Marshal, neither of the above TWO points are mentioned in the web-links
In another vicious attack against Indians in Australia, a 12-year-old
student was bullied and brutally punched in the face and had to undergo a
surgery to reconstruct his eye socket.
The boy, who asked not to be named, told *The Age *newspaper that two year 8
students whom he did not know, came
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