Fr Catao was my teacher and Vice- Principal at St Vincent's High School,
Poona. I remember him as a man of very few words but a strict
disciplinarian. During a brief period when he stood in for the Principal who
was away, he practically exhausted his supply of 'pink cards' and 'grey
cards'.
Dear Jane
Just wanted to express my sincere appreciation for posting links to so many
songs on mog. I was just wondering if you and Eddie Verdes could collaborate
and form a central repository of all the songs so that they are not lost to
posterity. Thank you once again for your wonderful
.Barad:
I think the appropriate comment is: Don't shoot the messenger! The issue
here is whether the points raised by Francis (I really do not know who he
is) are valid or not. I hope Marshall is not saying that because they are
being stated by one who is 'propped by the sangh' they should be
Samir,
That was a very interesting and thought provoking article. May I add some of
my own thoughts to your thought process?
1. Tourism: This is Goa’s usp. We do not need Five Star hotels which
guzzle water, employ few locals, provide low-end jobs to locals( like cooks,
butlers, room boys
Barad:
I feel this was required to be done long back.. May be your views
aredifferent..but before you punch in keys please read the article by
clickingthe link provided here below:
Here is a beautiful inspirational story of how a poor girl overcomes adverse
circumstances.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/index.php?option=com_contentItemid=1task=viewid=39626sectionid=24issueid=104latn=2
Extracts:
The nation is standing on a tragic point where the communal polarization
brought in by communal violence and anti-minority propaganda has resulted in
the loss of sensitivity of a section of society towards the miseries and
travails of large part of our own country, our own nation.
It
Extract:
In the last seven years Gujarat has used every available means to prove
that the state is normal and that what happened was not a genocide but a
‘Newtonian’ reaction to the burning of the *Kar Sevaks* at Godhra. We
questioned the statistics and tried to minimise the loss of lives and the
Extract:
The apex court's direction comes in the wake of a complaint filed by the
widow of Ehsan Jafri, who was burnt alive in an attack on his house. Her
plea that no FIR was registered on the basis of her complaint was accepted
by the court, though the state's lawyer claimed all complaints had
*The chickens are slowly but surely coming home to roost. Refer below
report.*
**
*New Delhi: The Supreme Court Monday asked a special probe panel formed by
it to look into the allegations that Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi
along with over 50 other politicians and government officials had
Extracts:
The Ahmedabad based Forensic Science Laboratory proved that the railway
carriage was set afire from inside. The outside doors of the burnt bogie
were locked. The arsonists there could only have entered the compartment
through the corridor from the adjoining bogie. How did a Muslim mob
Extract:
The Special Investigation Team (SIT), probing major cases of 2002
anti-Muslim Gujarat riots on Tuesday slammed reports that riots witnesses
were tutored to give false evidence for exaggeration of the situation, by
activists and organisations helping the victims.
The SIT rebuttal
UG Barad:
To read more on the above subject please click the link provided here
below:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Report-based-on-SIT-findings/articleshow/4407437.cms
Response:
Pl go through below links to get a clear picture.
Activists allege bid to derail riots probe
Dr Manmohan Singh is dignified, gentle and courteous at all times. However
there are occasions when pushed to the wall by unreasonable people, he can
give back hard and mighty. This is the stuff our PM is made of.
Here are some quotes of Dr Manmohan Singh:
Advani likes to call me a weak prime
Shrikant Barve:
Dr Singh also rubbished BJP chief Rajnath Singh's claim that he was
consulted before the release of Kandahar terrorists saying the remark was
total untruth.
The statement of Rajnath Singh which says that I as Leader of Opposition in
the Rajya Sabha was consulted before the
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Santosh Helekar:
Do you believe it is okay to publicly abuse and slander private citizens
with whom you disagree, or whose name, religion or political party is
different from yours?
Response:
Then why do you habitually keep doing it doc? Why do you not practice what
you preach?
Regards,
Santosh Helekar:
Shrikant merely asked a rhetorical question.
http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=Newslist=goanetinfo=2009-April/datepost_id=176682
Private citizens have the right to severely criticize politicians and
elected officials, as Mario, Samir and others are doing.
jc's comment:
Santoshbab is absolutely right
Response:
That is a given from his buddies. Need not be explicitly stated.
JC:
There is more than a tinge of communalism in the remarks of Marshall. No
decent person, I know, engages in communal attacks
Response:
One man's meat is another man's
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main41.asp?filename=Ws250409Ram_Puniyani.asp
This is the CV of Dr. Manmohan Singh, Prime Minister of India
*EDUCATION /Qualification:
*Stood first in BA (Hons), Economics, Punjab University, Chandigarh
1952; Stood first in MA (Economics), Punjab University, Chandigarh
1954; Wright's Prize for distinguished performance at St John's College,
Santosh Helekar:
Let us see if he has any response to Jose - slanders him as a Sangh Parivar
sympathizer, a defender of violence against Christians or something.
Response:
Nice flame bait. Better luck next time:-)
To steer the discussion back on rails, will the poster kindly produce the
'lying'
Santosh Helekar:
Private citizens have the right to severely criticize politicians and
elected officials, as Mario, Samir and others are doing. They do not deserve
to be personally attacked with innuendo and insinuations by their political
opponents for doing so.Cheers,Santosh
Response:
1.
Cecil,
Shri Patelji may have to revise the syllabus. See link below :-)
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/slipper-misses-advani-safety-net-comes-up-at-modi-meeting/447965/
Regards,
Marshall
Shrikant Barve:
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in todays press conferance at Mumbai said that
he was not taken into confidence as opposition leader then in Rajya Sabha
during Kandhar issue.Do you accept this?Watch full interview and decide
yourselves.
http://tinyurl.com/cr925e
Response:
I watched
George Pinto:
Some time in the future Francis' genius with the Daily Grook will be
appreciated if it isn't already. To consistently put out this stuff is
genius, Goan no less, before our eyes.
Btw, what happened to Shantidoot?
Response:
Shantidoot was threatened and intimidated as a few of his
Extract:
First, the BJP’s critique of pseudo-secularism itself became obsolete
because of the shifts in the ground realities of Indian politics,
particularly the transformation in Muslim politics. But more importantly, it
could not dissociate that critique from a politics of hate. At the state
Barad:
If what the SIT is saying is correct, then what Teesta has done should be
condemned by all concerned. Also, she should come out with a statement
saying who misled her. I think it is necessary to go into the depths of the
conspiracy. Read why I say this by clicking the link below.Setalvad
Extract:
IT’S BAFFLING how terrifying a simple colour can be. Fluttering tiredly in
the balmy wind all over Kandhamal, little flags of saffron have become
menacing blotches of impeding danger. It is a call for submission, an
announcement of the end of freedom, a mockery of faith. Today, relief
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom
of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute
http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom
of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute
http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom
of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute
http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom
of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute
http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom
of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute
http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical
“These are concentration camps, not refugee camps” -- an inmate of a camp
run by the Orissa Government in Kandhamal for the victims of the anti
Christian violence in August-October 2008
http://aicu.blogspot.com/2009/03/camp-and-culpability.html
I came across this joke recently. Thought of sharing with you. Enjoy!!
Regards,
Marshall
There was a little old lady, who every morning stepped onto her front porch,
raised her arms to the sky, and shouted: 'PRAISE THE LORD!'
One day an atheist moved into the house next door.
He became
Mario,
I think it was a sad and despicable act on the part of the foursome with the
criminal intention to deflect the blame on hindutva forces. I do not know if
they even understood the implications of their action. In future, whenever
there is any attack or vandalisation of churches, the
This is with reference to Samir's recent post on Sonal Shah and Ekal
Vidyalaya's. Quote:' In the Sonal Shah issue, it was clearly shown via a
TOI article, that Ekal Vidyalaya is into religious brainwashing, and
spreading hatred against Christians'
Here are some articles on the working of Ekal
The violence in Orissa continues unabated. Over 1 victims are still
living in refugee camps and unable to return home.The victims have been
virtually disenfranchised. The christian population in Kandhamal has come
down to around 1, against a number of 150,000 reported in the last
census.
Marlon Menezes:
can anyone provide me with personal details on Marshall, such as hisphone
number, address etc? I would like to help him in his fightagainst the
extremist hindutva forces, but posting his contact detailson various hindu
forums. He can then get acquainted with these peopledirectly
In India, and especially in Gujarat, the wheels of justice turn very slowly.
But they do turn, even if late. Here is the latest on a minister in Modi's
government and VHP chief who have been accused of heinous crimes.
http://www.hindu.com/2009/03/28/stories/2009032850050100.htm
Marlon Menezes:
But when he personally makes blanket statements against a community and then
accuses individuals of being communal, he better be prepared for a
response.Marlon
Response:
First of all Marlon does not follow the debate and has no clue as to the
links and sequence. Secondly, he is
Hartman D'Souza:
Marshall erroneously reads victory in the stay order issued by our apex
court. I do not feel this is warranted. While Claude states the obvious in
his comments, namely, that following the Court order, the Timblos will have
to demolish the illegal structures before April 30th or
For goan youth who are crazy about going abroad, here is an eye opening
story of Indians duped and stranded in Israel.We would be doing the youth a
favour if this article is disseminated widely in Goa. Here are some
extracts:
Extracts:
Standing in the waiting room is Goa's Victor D'Souza, who
In what must come as a shot in the arms of those fighting against illegal
constructions, the SC has stayed the Ordinance issued by the Goa Govt. The
struggle of the people has not gone in vain. Keep it up!!!
Marlon Menezes:
It is interesting to note that during the Marshall-Santosh dialogue, Nasci
launched a despicable vituperative on hinduism, Marshall chose not to
repudiate himself from Nasci's outrageous comments. This was a clear signal
to me, that Marshall is either communal by nature, or so
Marlon Menezes:
I also happened to have many second generation pub going, meat eating
Gujarati friends (ABCDs) who happened to be pro BJP (pre Modi). They were
pro BJP not because of ideology, but because they correctly viewed the
Congress party as being corrupt.
Response:
It is indeed reassuring
Santosh Helekar:
Why are there misguided people and organizations in this world?Why do we
have left-wing and right-wing fringe political activists and organizations
in India and the U.S.?Why do criminals infest all political parties and
organizations?Cheers,Santosh
Response:
It comes as a
Just a wild guess. Could it mean a lion's den? Meaning that the person who
has to find the others is isolated and has to take cover behind a tree or
wall and when given the 'ready' call, has to find (hunt) the others.
Regards,
Marshall
Ignoring all the vituperative, vitriolic and bucolic bile excreted by
Santosh which has by now become standard and normal fare for him, I would
like to go back to the topic of discussion.
Mario and Santosh make valid points that the bulk of the Indian American
community are more focussed on
Here is another story of conflict between businesses which degrade the
environment in pursuit of growth and development and the local population
which wants to preserve the environment and yet want development. There are
so many similarities in the article with the struggle in Goa for protection
Santosh Helekar:
Please note above the brazen admission that reference was indeed being made
to the Hindu community rather than the extremists.
Response:
One must grant Santosh the credit for maliciously and mischievously twisting
and interpreting a sentence taken out of context and giving it a
http://www.sacw.net/IMG/pdf/Kandhamal-Karavali2008.pdf
Santosh:
The post appended below reveals an obsession with one-sided political
activism centered around other people's religion.
Response:
Does Santosh believe and want us to believe that Hindutva (ideology) and
Hinduism (religion) are synonymous?
Does Santosh suggest the Hindutva represents
Santosh Helekar:
I hope you agree that the following misleading quote is derisively targeted
towards the Hindu community in America:young Indian Americans suffer from
cultural bigotry, and that this experience sends them in search of an
identity fix – either to benign or not so benign
Extract:
young Indian Americans suffer from cultural bigotry, and that this
experience sends them in search of an identity fix – either to benign or not
so benign organisations. The VHPA and its Yankee Hindutva parivar know
this fully well.
http://epw.in/epw//uploads/articles/13284.pdf
Yet another one for whom religion started as a lifestyle. Read on.
Extracts:
Qasab, at the time, was neither particularly religious nor particularly
violent — just one of millions of poor young men in South Asia trying to
cross the fence to a better life, existing in a shadow land between
Dr Anesimo:
During my younger days, i visited Bombay frequently. I never saw any
slums,open gutters, gangsters and rapists. During my short visits to
bombay, i lived in a posh residential area and travelled by taxis to those
relatively clean and decent areas for my shopping and entertainement.
Sometime back we were treated to theoretical, academic,
classroom , textbook solutions for problems victims of communal violence
face in India from a hostile administration. Here is an example of ground
reality. Read on.
Naroda eyewitness claims he is being lured to absolve Kodnani
At the outset, I must compliment Sandeep for his very spirited defence of
Santosh. After all, that's for friends are for. Even Ram Jethmalani would
have been impressed and proud of him:-) If he seeks an alternative career
other than medicine, he and law are made for each other:-)
Sandeep Heble:
To: goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:09:57 +0530 (IST)
Subject: Hindutva Terrorism
Marshall Mendonza : Further a very important and vital point in the Orissa
violence was that it was not a case of retaliation but pure aggression.
Santosh:The riots started in retaliation
In the age we are living in we are exposed to a flurry of news and
information. Based on such news and information, we sometimes form our views
and opinions, at times to our detriment. It is therefore, very important, to
read a cross-section of the media before forming any opinion. Media which
are
Shrikant Vinayak Barve:
President of Pakisthan Mr. Zardari has been advised by pak Govt. to stay at
Dubai. (may be a wait and watch situation) Big rally by Nawaz Sheriff. As
per NDTV breaking news.
Response:
Shrikant, the developments in Pakistan are a matter of great concern to us
here in India.
Gilbert Lawrence :
To build on this dialog, I suggest we form subgroups of three devoted to
judge the values of various (aspects of) topics posed on Goanet.? For
example here is a sampling of topics.
1. Current goa-centric issues.
2. Historical Goa-centric issues.
3. Goan Diaspora issues.
4.
Mervyn Lobo;
The only reason I posted on this subject is because you started to make wild
accusations against your debater
Response:
Could you kindly substantiate your point?
Regards,
Marshall
Santosh Helekar:
I absolutely do see a denial because Marshall did not mention that the swami
was murdered, and the violence started in retaliation for that murder, as
all mainstream media outlets reported.
Response:
Pl refer to below post
Communal fires continue to rage in Orissa's Kandhamal
Guess what is the priority for our PM-in-waiting. It is not
food, clothing or shelter. Not even education or medical care or
infrastructure. And this is the man who wants to lead India after the coming
polls. Read on.
Extract:
It is Modi’s mentor and the BJP’s prime ministerial candidate LK
I refer to Jose Colaco's message under this subject.
I am extremely doubtful whether Jose has been following the debate on this
subject, otherwise he would have thought 100 times before shooting from his
keyboard.
Instead of going into the entire Ramayana and Mahabharata of the issue to
get him
http://www.sacw.net/article703.html
Regards,
Marshall
Santosh Helekar:
Eddie,What do you think the debate was about? Do you think by exposing the
denial of the fact that the communal violence was triggered by the murder of
the VHP swami and his associates, I was justifying the violence against
Christians?
Response:
Would the good dotor provide
Marvyn lobo:
I will be more than willing to read ALL your messages. Before I do that, I
have a question for you:
Is it possible that any of your messages could be incorrect?
Response:
Pl do so. I would be most obliged. If you do find any message which is
incorrect, I am willing to be corrected.
Marlon:
It is very clear that Santosh was merely indicating the stated reason (as
made by the perpetrators) for their attacks on the christians. If you can't
understand that, then please understand that henceforth, I will set my
filters to have your postings go directly to my trash bin.
Response:
Mervyn Lobo:
The question is a simple one. I will repeat it once again:
Is it possible that any of your messages could be incorrect?
You deliberately decided not to answer the question.This is the reason why I
stoped reading your output here.
Response:
No debate or dialogue can start when:
1. one
in the Orissa violence was that it
was not a case of retaliation but pure aggression.
..Marshall Mendonza
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-November/169910.html
Response:
1. I do not see any denial that the killing of the swami triggered the
violence in the above message.
2
Mervyn1650Lobo:
The good doctor has made it abundantly clear to all that his only belief is
science.
If you are not able to see this, so be it.However, when you imagine him as
hiding behind religion or religious strategy, this is pure hallucination
from your side.
Response:
There is many a slip
Edward Verdes:
Santosh Bab...please read Nelsons post againThe Cardinal was refering to
the attacks on Christians in Dec 2007where else the Swami was murderered in
Aug 23 2008. Heres below what the post said...see how well you have taken
only oneline and changed the factsgreat work
Santosh Helekar:
If Frederick Noronha was a Hindu name, the above should have caused
Marshall Mendonza to smear him as a Hindutva propagandist or a Sangh Parivar
sympathizer. Noronha, himself, would have written another vacuous article on
dermatology in Herald, i.e., of course, if he were
Extract:
Since the BJP had no time to assess the long-term political fallout of its
atavistic policies, one could hardly expect its non-political brethren in
the sangh parivar VHP, Bajrang Dal, etc to do so. Instead, these outfits,
which made their appearance on the eve of the temple agitation,
In December 2008 Santosh Helekar posted the foll:
Regarding the swami's murder the crime branch of the police department in
Orissa appears to be closing in on a prominent politician and MP named
Radhakant Nayak. According to the following report entitled Congress MP RK
Nayak is on run as CB starts
How do you stand up for Hindus when there is no evidence that they are
being discriminated against? The BJP’s rise to prominence during the 80s
came at a time when the hard secularism of the Congress (Shah Bano, The
Satanic Verses, Babri Masjid, etc.) had provoked a Hindu backlash. These
days,
Here is an interesting article on the role od dalits in hindutva. Some food
for thought.
http://www.sacw.net/article718.html
Regards,
Marshall
Santosh Helekar:
This is how this man gratuitously abuses people who do not belong to his
religion. He slanders anybody with a Hindu name who raises questions about
the one-sided material he posts on Goanet, as propagating the Hindutva line
or as a Sangh Parivar sympathizer.
Response:
The good
Brarad:
With upcoming election the next step the church is taking is to determinethe
candidates and the party that fits the criteria that they have set out.
http://www.zenit.org/article-25277?l=english
Response:
I think the guidelines are exemplary. If every citizen of India follows it,
we could
Barad:
In a debate on Muslim appeasement, and Marhsall's comment(s) about Karnatak
government giving money to the temples, I think Marshall has to explain
important point as to which is the charge per unit of Rs 16 (refer
subjectline).
Marshall can read the link provided here below as well as all
Santosh Helekar:
Please note that he is now trying hard to dishonestly smear me with trashy
quotes from all kinds of Hindus he hates. Let us see how far he is willing
to go to publicly assassinate the character of a private individual who does
not belong to his religion.
Response:
When cornered
I do not believe all is lost as yet with the Ordinance regularising the
Ciadade irregularities. It is though a challenging task. I understand that
an ordinance has a legal validity of 6 months. Legislation has to be passed
before the ordinance expires, otherwise the ordinance lapses. Further the
Karnataka is living upto its new reputation of following in the footsteps of
Gujarat and Orissa in wrecking violence on minorities. Here is the latest
from Udupi, Karnataka.
http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=57344
Regards,
Marshall
Barad:
let us not try and get away from the fact there is a programme to appease
the Muslims and other minorities.
Response:
Here is a news story from the Times of India. I would like to hear what
hindutvavadis like you and Natekar have to say.
Santish Helekar:
How do we decide whose reality is genuine? Both seem to be relentlessly
engaged in partisan political propaganda.
Response:
For those who live in Ivory Towers and are cut off from ground reality
'gaddha and goddha' or 'IIT and ITI' are one and the same.
Regards,
Marshall
Barad is at his confusaoed best when he narrates his dhobi list of
grievances emerging from his hindutva mindset.
1. he is unable to distinguish between constitutional guarantees and acts of
appeasement.
2. he seems to be unaware that urdu is an Indian language and that many of
our early
Shrikant Barve:
Muslims are still in the clutches of their religious gurus. These religious
gurus oppose setting up of School near madarass. These religious gurus keep
Muslims away from main stream education. Politicians keep this religious
gurus happy for their gain.. This is basic appeasement.
Vinat Natekar:
Do we have to believe in all the copy and paste anti Hindu materials from
various fringe sites you post on Goanet are genuine ?
Response:
1. There is a difference between hindutva and hinduism. I suggest you read
Damle's book The Brotherhood in Saffron to understand the difference.
One oft repeated propaganda of the sangh parivar is that muslims have been
continuously appeased in India. Here is an article which critically looks at
the reality. Read on.
http://www.countercurrents.org/matheikal230209.htm
Vinay Natekar:
It is not always Hindus who attack Christians in Orrisa. It is vice versa
also.
Response:
1. It needs to be verified whether the news report contains all factual
information and is not an inspired planted story emanating from the sangh
parivar.
2. Even if true, to conclude that one
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/constitutional-validity-of-gujarat-freedom-of-religion-act-challenged-in-hc/428621/
http://news.in.msn.com/international/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1837135
I understand that Ashutosh Lobo Gajiwala too is of goan extraction. I
believe he is the son of Dr Astrid Lobo Gajiwala who is a frequent
contributor to the Examiner.Perhaps someone who knows the family well could
confirm.
Regards,
Marshall
Arwin Mesquita:
Note that Manohar Parrikar has made the following public statements on 19th
Feb 09:
1) We have to strictly control inward migration if we have to preserve Goa's
identity.
2) Romi Konkani has to be given her rightful status.
3) NO ' mega / large scale ' construction projects should
Excerpts:
Most gravely, the likes of Pramod Muthalik, who are self-appointed
custodians of Hindu culture as well as morals and morality, have the tacit
support of the votaries of Hindutva who dominate the principal Opposition
party, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). There can be no other
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print.aspx?Id=c49b3c82-8ff1-4862-bd73-098907de0353
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