Hi People,
My mother remembers that In Taleigao-Horchella there is a beautiful Chapel
by the banks of a river, the names of which she cannot remember. What she
recollects is that, one has to take the path that takes you through
Taleigao; and which runs along the Church (the inside road), up the
Dear S. Sawaikar,
Do not worry about grammar; people have in general moved on. Those were
things in the past.
As far as I can tell, writers on this site are no longer looking for
grammatical mistakes.
There could be a couple of holdouts. Btw, my grammar is not anything to crow
about (work in
A couple of thoughts:
1. Is it possible to hire from a pool of villagers, observers who are
present when every truck is loaded. The roji --or if it is a salary, to be
paid by the mine-owners monthly into an account to go directly to the
village, and disbursed accordingly. I gather that there must
it to readers before sending it as 'his' own
masterpiece.But then can anyone expect anything better from him?
Mario Fernandes
From: Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Is
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Worth a read. Apply to your notions and knowledge of sexuality in India, or
where ever you may be.
venantius
_
(excerpts)
You must always be ready for your husband's sexual needs. If perchance he
is watching a football game on television, you should be resting to
Dear Joe,
You have to be more precise, since your images are All Rights Reserved. So
since you are giving Lionel Messias or say anyone else pemission, make it
clear that you are giving it to use your images only in O Herald and not
if they writes in any other paper. I presue you know all the
Dear Dr. Barad,
You make good points.
In the Indian political mindset, any party would have done the same to the
Olympic marksman — give or take some lakhs or crores.
The let down has so many levels to it. Do you not think that Tata, the
Ambani's, the Oberois and other industrialists do not have
Is this not an eyeopener. Something that the vast majoriy of gnyanis in all
probability missed. I am so thankful that a Goan, Rajdeep Sardessai points
the class bias aspect. I hope it was not that the channels ran out of
cameras, or that the second string of reporyters/ broadcasters were
As coyly suggested to me in private; that I should continue posting articles
I find reasonable --- here is another one, which should calm down my
critics. It too is from the Left, by none other than Patrick Cockburn. There
is no way to pick fault with this piece, since it in no way criticizes
Hello All,
An example of a Programme to visit the Panchayat of your village (in this
case Soccorro) to examine Village Level Regional plan. Anna Coelho is nmy
sister-in-law, and Vally and I both grew up in BPT Quarters, Wadala. Good
people overall.
Please pass on. To those who have been seriously
This poem by Sant Tukaram (Tuka) encompasses our current existence in Time.
Being has changed over Time as well as Place. As you read it, I doubt
whether you
will not conclude that in a sense we are all Brahmins now. --venantius j
pinto
__
From Tukaram:
At the very least a massive national insult that compares with the debacle
with the Chinese in 1962.
Same Congress dynasty.***
***I am waiting to be congratulated on Goanet, for making this connection
(stating it) by those sending me private emails questioning my
motives, despite having known me
Accidents have a way of snatching lives, later reminding us that all
lives are precious and noble. A few years ago when an entire family in Goa
lost their lives in an accident, I mentioned that it is only when
politicians loose one of their own that perhaps one may hope to see some
change. After I
The article basically expresses the ordeal of an American married to an
Indian. The first excerpt is one example of an Indian politician suffering
from diarrhea of the mouth; reminding us how stupid politicians are in
general, and why we should begin to take seriously the idea of maya
(illusion).
Hi all,
Do check out. As the Fire Die: The Terror of the Aftermath by Biju Mathew at
Samar Online.
It is a reasonable article, which may hlp one seeing how conjecture are
made, and often prated around amidst bluster.
http://www.samarmagazine.org/archive/article.php?id=275
PS: In the past, I was
Hello all,
Some of my work has been published in, An Illustrated Life: Drawing
inspiration from the Private Sketchbooks of Artists, Illustrators
Designers (Paperback) by Danny Gregory. Its available on amazon.com.
If you happen to visit a bookstore do check it out. My work and thoughts are
on
Was the arrest of one of Britain's leading politicians, possibly a future
minister, aimed at sending a message to lesser people in the country to
close their eyes, ears and mouths?
The arrest and interrogation of Damian Green, one of Britain's leading
opposition politicians, by the
Just perhaps if we had Pink Gangs in Goa.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7068875.stm
venantius
Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I talked to my youngest brother once about why we sometimes hurt
and he said, albeit with a genuine smile, But, does it not feel good. He
was being deadly frank at the time; and has since reverted to humanity. But
to begin with, he was the sweetest child in our
Dear RKN,
There are times when you are terribly precise and incisive. And I do believe
that all such good views are appreciated in the minds of those who live and
cherish often recalled as Goaness, or a Goan way of being. I shall continue
under the same subject heading since its really about Ways
I agree with RKNs overall assessment, and believe the mix-up could have
been deliberate. Besides that RKN, this is one the best pieces from you.
As India moves towards claiming a choicer parts of the global pie, any
apprent dissent will pay a price. Personally, I do not feel that Gabriel's
Worth knowing about: Nuremberg Conference Focuses on Human Rights
http://www.germany.info/Vertretung/usa/en/__PR/P__Wash/2008/11/19__Nuremberg__Conf__PR.html
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I often feel that on certain issues it would be prudent to give the heavies
( and there are good ones on Goanet) some time to present their findings,
but often we get too hasty.
This is a very peculiar situation, when
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It also behooves artists to be aware of what they are getting into. Very
often artists do not know the details of an exhibiting enterprise. They are
only to hapy to be shown and seen, while internally discussing who is or who
is not an artist. It takes a while to imbue the kind of
awareness
Dear Hatman,
A followup:
My opinion has always been that is solely the prerogative of the curator as
to who gets shown. Period.
Of course interviews with the curator often reveal their thinking
and selection process. Curators are also collectors, and the art markets is
complex, but it is still
Japanese Monkey waiters.
Imagine what is possible in Goa. I sometime prefer to point to such things
rather than say things the people may feel I pulling out of some place where
the sun dont shine.
http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/10/japanese-monkey.html
venantius
Dear Augusto,
Truly meant what I said. It would have been flattery on my part, had you
written something trivial, but you did not. Your verse was sincere, and was
my mischievious response, besides which I was not being ingratiating. Of
course the word, sincere does not conjoin with flattering.
Dear Augosto,
In appreciation, admiration and mischief.
venantius
Extol ye all, Augusto -- he of critical voice through splendid lament
Hast penned a poem that should ne'er be forgotten
In molten verse and Goan verve -- Jai Manguesh
To elucidate revelations of
Hello Sandeep,
Thanks. This is helpful.
Would you perhaps know whether Mahatmayan -- the document or a copy of it is
with any library or literary body.
In appreciation.
venantius
Message: 3
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:31:53 +0530
From: Sandeep Heble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] Request
Would someone be kind enough to post two of Balakrishna Bhagwant Borkar's
(Baki-baab/bab) long poems, Mahatmayan and Tamastotra? Or direct me to books
in which these poems exist.
In appreciation.
Venantius
At the link below, Tony Fernandes wrote:
There was no midnight Mass in my favourite church or at any other chapel
in our village that Christmas and no New Year's Eve Dance. (1961)
My question: What was the reason for there being no midnight Mass?
Was it form of protest, fear, plain respecting
Dear Jane Gillian ,
Sexuality is manifested in a myriad of ways. Now that is an understatement
of course. I would not like to give you specific answers but will point you
to Runaway Love, a video by the rapper Ludracris and Mary J Blige. It is not
every ones cup of tea, and may be too harsh for
Soter raises very good points. What I cannot understand is the notion that
just because it is a highway that a crossing is not a legitimate right, and
that too in a country like India where millions live by the highways
-- most of which go through small towns. Earlier on there were no crosing.
What happened to Venita Coelho in Moira, is a recurring practice in public
fora throughout the developing world -- that one must run roughshod over
legitimate resistance sprouting from the people, and if it is a woman then
perhaps all the more reason to do so. In no way is any of it justifiable
: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goenkars: on correctness.
2008/10/29 Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I say the following in all humility, and it is not directed at anyone.
A man may certainly call a woman Mon Cherie. It is a term of
endearment;
an old fashioned
I say the following in all humility, and it is not directed at anyone.
A man may certainly call a woman Mon Cherie. It is a term of endearment;
an old fashioned way of saying things among other expresions. And very few
people know this. It is not a mistake to say so, although people may think
it
Dear Amita,
Please post the Marathi version when you come across it. For that matter
please consider posting such material more often.
Take care.
venantius j pinto
From: Amita Kanekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There are also some nasty casteist ones. I remember hearing one a long time
ago from a
Dear Dr. Barad,
Good point.
Its another one of those skilled technicalities with these polticians.
Obviously they know what to say when. This time around it was a good reason
to pause, when it was brought to his notice that the government has
accomodated two characterized as goondas. In such a
Dear Querobino,
I can only sense Vivian A. DSouza's anguish.
While your questions are sincere and very reasonable, they cannot be easily
answered. I cannot give you the Other side of the story but would still
like to attempt response to your qestions. There are also more than two
sides to a
Dear Dr. Barad,
Good point.
Its another one of those skilled technicalities with these politicians.
Obviously they know what to say when. This time around it was a good reason
to pause, when it was brought to his notice that the government has
accommodated two characterized as goondas. In such a
Seriously, there is nothing wrong in what Gabriel de Figueredo said, unless
this began as a joke from RKN and then took off. And I am not saying this
since my mother is a Figueredo. A paan chewing idiot does not implicitly
mean that any person who chews paan is an idiot. It was the spittle which
Dear Selma,
How did you arrive at the thought that we Goan Catholics obsessed with
family names and bent on assuming privilege and merit on account of them?
Is it something that you have been hearing lately? I am sure you are not
remotely referring to the Conspiracy of the Pinto's, or the page by
Hey Fred,
Please oblige with pictures when possible: That's what Goa is... --- the
sex toys of olden days. Nothing like incorporating them into my drawings for
an upcomng show in MMIX. And some keys for good measure. Looks like I just
may have to make a trip to Goa soon. Is Calizz in the Raja
This may sound naieve, but is it possible for there to be a referendum in
Goa where Goans may vote for a no-confidence motion against a corrupt
Minister or the goverment itself. I understand that if there was people
would have tried it. But my questions still is, is there one and if there is
then
All,
Fred your link to The changing face of the Goa village took me to the
other video Oh, the rains are here (Pausa panneachi kavita) by Shashikant
Punaji. Thanks for introducing us to Shashikant Punaji. Meaningful work on
your part. Btw, tell him: Love the Pednem (Konknni) dialect.
. The termitesarecrawling
out of the woodwork ...and they are gonna get you!
?
Mog asundi
?
Miguel
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:21:10 -0400
From: Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] The intriguing trial of Monserrate?
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Message-ID:
[EMAIL
I hope and pray that at no point do the police vent their frustration on
Rohit Monserrate, when they find him or he surrenders himself. This is very
important to understand, although the same treatment is almost never
accorded to the common citizen. Also, interrogations under pressure often
allow
A minor Stockholm Syndrome?
venantius
From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] Twist in tale: Girl tries to save Rohit
Rodrigues added that the girl will give her statement and even go for
a medical examination. At the moment, the mother is going through a
trauma and the child is
Dear Sucheta,
If you wrote this then you are on your way to having a career(even part
-time) as a writer of satire. If you did not, but have the sensibility for
it — then go for it. Its worth looking at The Onion.
http://www.theonion.com/content/index
Imagine having a Giharcho Kando or Giharcheo
Dear Sucheta,
If you wrote this then you are on your way to having a career(even part
-time) as a writer of satire.
If you did not, but have the sensibility for it — then go for it. Its worth
looking at The Onion.
http://www.theonion.com/content/index
Imagine having a Giharcho Kando or Giharcheo
Perhaps alleged rape, and alleged sexual molestation, allegedly sexually
molested?
venantius
From: tony martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Intriguing Trial of Monserrate
Ref.: You call a rape and sexual molestation a misdemeanor?
Dear Gabe
No court has pronounced any
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On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Venantius Pinto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If the parents,
Babush and Jennifer, know it is really their son, then instead of saving
him
blindly ? at the very least they should tie him to a coconut tree, pour
sur
(toddy) over him
Dear Samir,
Let people have their say. You made your point quite clearly needless to
say. To your credit you brought up non-violence, which is a whole other
construct. The use of any weapon needs experience and a mature understanding
of what one may wreak or wrought or work through its usage, and
Gabe, every passionate Goan should hear your words about Catholic Goan
customs. We as a people have lost passion. We have become so emasculated
that perhaps only a few of us know that we have balls. If the parents,
Babush and Jennifer, know it is really their son, then instead of saving him
Dear Alfred,
Thanks for sharing two more wells to look 'into.' Sou obrigado.
Who else but you would in such a memorial manner and remember the awe that
their well struck us with. Narcissus? Meu Deus. Esta fora de moda.
Lembrancas a sua familia.
venantius
(excerpted)
From: Alfred de Tavares
Fred,
The TOI is not non-profit as far as I know. So they cannot use your images
and not pay you; unless I am misreading copyright law. They also have to
take your explicit permission.
venantius
From: Frederick [FN] Noronha *
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet]
Dear Dr. Ferdinando,
Thanks for caring to express your intent. I now have a sense of what your
are talking about. Yes there are many organizations doing relevant work for
our other halves. But rather than publicity as it is seen today, the nature
of their work must be put out/explained --
Thanks Miguel:
Its a pity that Prajal Sakhardande got caught in between. But it shows how
low things have descended. It could have been anyone -- even a Goanettter if
one was meeting with Adv. Aires Rodrigues at that time. I guess the same or
worse treatment would have been meted to a woman?
From Goaclips:
A corner of a foreign field in Goa
Dona Paula is known for many things... but there's something else in Dona
Paula, not too well known, but which brings to mind, Rupert Brooke's poem
The Soldier. The poem comes to mind in Goa, because there is in Dona Paula
a corner of a field,
Dr. dos Reis Falc?o (I am not sure of his last name, must be Falcao?) makes
a very interesting and valid point in 'rhetorically' asking whether there
were any Goans among those who assaulted John Kelley. I was thinking -- no
Goans means did an assault, a crime not take place. Its like no one
Doctor dos Reis F,
Calm down. I do not know about the Directorate of Women and Child
Development, but try and avoid painting all womens organizations in a
corner. It cannot be that all are pubilicty addicts. There is a lot of good
they do, and you do not need me to tell anyone that from outside
The rape of the nun cannot be seen as a crime against humanity, unless he is
talking about her humanity -- her work -- in which case he is acknowledging
selflessness among other values that thos eof the cloth bring through their
vocation. I wonder of Advani is thinking correctly or just making up
Thanks Gabriel. This is interesting.
venantius
From: Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] On wells_question
Try my grand-father's house, next to BigFoot, in Loutolim
Dear Anil,
An interesting article to begin with. It has indeed caught people's
interest. Hopefully, this is not the first time that you have encountered
Gautier. I am taking a conversational approach here, so imagine that we are
sitting together and talking over a few chais.
We do not have to be
Hi Gabe,
Good one.
I am sure Goans have a lot to fear from Origami (paper folding), Sumo
(grappling bellies and slapping chests, and family jewels being lifted),
Bonsai (cultivation of miniature trees in keeping with minds), Karate
(strikes, pin-point or open hnnd), Karaoke (beting out songs to
Hello all,
Could you share any information on wells in Goa.
The deepest wells.
Wells cut in rock all the way to the bottom.
Wells with tunnels.
Wells that have hoary histories.
Wells with multiple pulleys.
Wells with staircases and stairwells in wells.
Wells with caves in one of their walls?!
Is the owner not allowed to have a bench under an awning, say around his
/her shop where customers may smoke and drink. Or even a separate section
with a different entrance for the smoker deinkers.
venantius
From: D'Souza, Avelino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] Once smoking holes Goa
A point to note is that CE is also referred as the Christian Era. BCE as
Before Christian Era.
You surprise is a bit surprising. considering that CE/CBE has been in
circulation for decades among historians, and countries that do not have any
affinity to Christianity. Its a historical marker, and
Dear Dr. Barad,
You probably already have checked/encountered the information on Wikipedia
by now, but just in case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era
Before Common era
Before Christian era
Before Current era
But they all are the exact same as AD and none have a year zero. The birth
date of
Dear Tony,
I have a faint feeling that you could apply the experiential and aesthetic
tropes in your text to conceive a phenomenal poem.
venantius
From: Tony Barros [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] East Africa's Black Europeans
East Africa's Black Europeans
Hi Selma et al !
Hi JoeGoaUk,
Your videos — make you a griot in my mind — in your case a visual
historian. And as a good griot you also entertain as well as provoke.
Keep it up 61 yr young Asian man.
Remember the song Secret Asian Man. So heres wishing all the other quiet
Elders on Goanet and in the physical
To all,
If my translations are not spot on and can be improved upon, please feel
free to say so. Quite often the translations are done within a very short
frame of time. There can be different translations of the same piece. as say
the Genji no Monogatari (Tale of Genji) shows, so a translation
From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - Off Topic
The?current US?capitalism model is: Privatize the profits, socialize the
losses.
In the above sense, the US system has truly and unabashedly been about
socialism for the rich and wealthy class. A
model is: Privatize the profits, socialize the
losses.
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:25:05 -0400
From: Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In the above sense, the US system has truly and unabashedly been about
socialism for the rich and wealthy class. A model that many others countries
have learnt
Eklean boil marlear durean gai marchi nhoi.
Konknni mhonn'nni
If one kills a bull the other must not kill the cow.
Konknni / Konkani / Concanim proverb
(From Ogrlekh (Editorial) in Vavraddeancho Ixtt, Ank 37 Septembr 13vi
MMVIII).
venantius
Recently I have helped translate a few pieces where references have been
made to the Marathi lobby vs Konknni; about Hindus being smart as opposed to
Christians sleeping, etc. All very true and in no way derogatory, in fact
quite anguished. To reiterate, the point being that none of these in any
Mario,
When I insert em and en dashes I get those question marks. So I use
hyphens and double them up as needed. I use a Mac at work, and
Cecilia's PC at home, on which in any case I do not know how to get
the typographical marks. The software that Goanet uses also does not
allow for diacritics,
Floriano,
Pardon my garbled post, I could have arranged it better. I mean it. I
believe that my incoherence came about on account of my not being sure
(rarely happens, voi, voi) of your rational.
Yes, I was surprised at your response to the mission hand. To say the least,
I was not even there and
Hi Gaspar,
All the best at Panos. Say hi to Kanak and Kunda Dixit for me.
venantius
From: Gasper D'souza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
check out my
blog: http://dabblinginmultimedia.blogspot.com
This weekend, I am off to Nepal for a 9-day Panos South Asia workshop on
multimedia content development, starting
Hello All,
Here is a translation of Noman Romi Lipiek, a poem by Basilio Magno's. It
was sent to me by one of our most focussed Goans, and I took it upon myself
to share it further via Goanet -- a translation into English. I am keeping
the word Konknni as opposed to translating it from the Konknni
If there any Goanetter living in Bhusaval or anyplace else, who knows about
soapstone, and perhaps interested in helping me out.
I am interested in working in soapstone, basically carving Kanji / Nagari /
Siddham characters from which to pull off impressions. This is an area known
as Tenkoku (the
http://www.hindu.com/2007/12/11/stories/2007121155841000.htm
Opinion -Leader Page Articles
India in the world: how we see ourselves
Meera Nanda
As many as 90 per cent of us told the Pew pollsters that religion must be
kept separate from government policy. But in reality, how many of us stand
up
Any Konknnis involved in the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) project which went
live today at the European Laboratory of Particle Physics (CERN)?
venantius
(The following piece appeared in the Fall 2007 issue of Dekh, the magazine
of Casa de Goa, Lisbon)
Levitating Enclosures, Procellous Washes and Shunted Wagons
Venantius J Pinto
Chintlelem ghodlelem zalear mellelim ghora ietelim aslim. If our thoughts
were to be realized the dead would return
Dear Augusto,
I heard from an armyman of superb wit--he was with the Signals, now deceased
(who took on the Central govt as a cadet at Khadakvasla -- unheard of) that
in the mess one would hear Messieurs and Mesdames (Mess Dames).
Presumably this tickled some of our as yet not so Anglicized
Hi Cecil,
Please excuse my error. I mean the ending ren. Cistern though similar has
a different ending/
venantius
Kyoto. Japan
Message: 12
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:47:44 +0900
From: Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Brethren - archaic and masculine
To: goanet
Hi Cecil,
Bretheren does not necessarily and automatically exclude sisteren, although
simplistic arguments have been made from a feminist framework. Note, that
this is no way implies that feminism is anything to be scoffed at. There is
something to be said though of the singular use of bretheren,
I hope those people who made snide remarks about Selma's family speaking in
English are reading this on Goanet. If, their remarks continued even after
being aware that she were a topped in her English classes -- then that says
even more about how we have been colonizing our own minds. This problem
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