What a welcome sight to see good old Domnic Fernandes back on Goanet. From
this l
suppose we can suppose that Domnic has made a good recovery, which is great
news.
Looking forward to seeing more of his posts. A great writing style, and every
post
just adds to the greatness of Domnic's Goa!!
You must be joking when you say there were hardly any thefts during
pre-liberation
days.
Not only there were regular robberies but in North Goa there was a professional
gang
that lived in caves on the hill between Anjuna and Parra. The head of the gang
was
Kismonath from Bhatti/Zamblinnim. H
I was a very young girl at the time and cannot say much except that I was
getting ready to go to school early in the morning and we could hear the sound
of bomb blasts and people saying "the Indian troops have invaded Goa". It was
all very exciting. Nobody knew the effect. The next thing we k
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:15:09 -0400
From: "J. Colaco < jc>"
response to the voice of reason on GoaNet aka Missao Zalem:
Bringing Mario back to his favourite topic -
The Lancet, Volume 364, Issue 9448, Pages 1857-1864
available at
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673
lucky as you; our memories go
back a very long way.
Very best regards,
Victor
--- On Thu, 7/2/09, ignatius fernandes wrote:
From: ignatius fernandes
Subject: [Goanet] Goa's freedom fighters
To: "goanet@lists.goanet.org"
Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 1:03 PM
Thank
So on the dot Ignatius.
It would be interesting to find out what happened during the
transition, where were the people, what happened. I have not read any
history/documentary accounts yet but did speak to some people.
In talking to folks who lived on the front lines (that is around the
airport, Da
Thank you Antonio Menezas for reiterating my
point of view that Goa was freed by the
Indian Armed forces and not by our pseudo-
freedom fighters of Goa.
I wrote this a few days ago and I got a
scathing letter from Victor Rangel-Ribeiro that
it was our Goan Freedom Fighters that
liberated Goa.
o: goanet
Sent: Thursday, 2 July, 2009 5:10:00 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Goa's Freedom Fighters
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I have been keenly following the debate on the Goanet about Goan freedom
fighters. Since
it is a delicate subject, I thought it would be prudent on my part to remain
silent and not to
add spice to it. But then I have had urge to write something about it, so
here I am.
To understand Goa's freedom f
response to the voice of reason on GoaNet aka Missao Zalem:
Bringing Mario back to his favourite topic -
Mario, I do not expect that you will cease and desist from continuing
to embarrass yourself.
And ..have you found the fugetio yet?
I know there are many Goveian ways to explain away the
Mario Goveia wrote: [1]
What about "since 1961" did you fail to understand, or did you miss
the fact that December 1961 is when Goa went from a colonial
dictatorship to becoming part of the Indian democracy?
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:32:49 -0400
From: "J. Colaco < jc>"
The above quoted speak
Mario Goveia wrote: [1]
I could have sworn that all those people lining up across Goa to vote
in local, state and federal elections since 1961 were all Goans:-))
Mario Goveia wrote: [1]
What about "since 1961" did you fail to understand, or did you miss
the fact that December 1961 is when Goa we
Mario Goveia wrote:
I could have sworn that all those people lining up across Goa to vote
in local, state and federal elections since 1961 were all Goans:-))
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:09:21 -0400
From: "J. Colaco < jc>"
You could have sworn a lot of things based on your customary 'faulty
int
Bernado Colaco wrote:
Hi Jose, What is not pure waste of time for you? Tentative
maratization of Goa!. Tibet is an autonomous region of China. The
Dalai Lama wants more autonomy. Please discuss Goa issues on Goa net.
Don't go geometric.
==
My dear Bernado,
Let me try 'unconvolute' your post an
Mario, blame it on the Bamboo Curtain.
However, the curtain is of no concern to Bernado who has his
Portuguese passport just in case China decides to do a Tianmen on the
peaceable card-playing population of Macau.
Roland.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Mario Goveia wrote:
>
> Date: Mon, 29 Ju
Hi Jose,
What is not pure waste of time for you? Tentative maratization of Goa!. Tibet
is an autonomous region of China. The Dalai Lama wants more autonomy. Please
discuss Goa issues on Goa net. Don't go geometric.
BC
Dear Bernado,
I have read the Bruto da Costa letter. I have a copy o
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:19:20 + (GMT)
From: Bernado Colaco
Goa is occupied without any autonomy.
Mario observes:
It looks like the news is not getting through to wherever Bernardo lives:-))
2009/6/29 Bernado Colaco wrote:
Before you continue on your geometric trip take a look at this
extensive letter by Bruto da Costa to Nehru. It is written in English.
http://www.supergoa.com/pt/read/news_recorte.asp?c_news=245
BTW Tibet is an autonomous region. Goa is occupied without any autonom
Doutor Jose,
Before you continue on your geometric trip take a look at this extensive letter
by Bruto da Costa to Nehru. It is written in English.
http://www.supergoa.com/pt/read/news_recorte.asp?c_news=245
BTW Tibet is an autonomous region. Goa is occupied without any autonomy.
BC
When
Bernado Colaco wrote:
[1] Why does jc not produce counter information to the link I produced.
[2] Even the terror actions of Azad Gomantak are false according to
this person.
[3] jc should worry more about the Raj Bhavan colonial rule in Goa
rather than Tibet.
Dear Bernado,
When someone makes
Dears,
Whatever jc writes is always the truth. Why does jc not produce counter
information to the link I produced. Even the terror actions of Azad Gomantak
are false according to this person. jc should worry more about the Raj Bhavan
colonial rule in Goa rather than Tibet.
BC
Dears,
I wonde
http://www.jatland.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-9164.html
MM should stick to defending Christians in the sub continent he does this very
well. Goa had asked for statehood to be away from the clutches of delhi. Please
read the link about your friend nehru. Do you know why china invaded bharat?
Jose Colaco:
Are we saying that Nehru too was a 'Salazar' of sorts? Wasn't he the
champion of autonomy and self-determination along
with Nasser and Sukarno and Tito (all maha-dictators in their own rights) ?
Response:
It is a million dollar question whether Goa would have been granted special
stat
I do plan on using Fredrick's material for sunday entertainment: the
web-site belonging to Mascarenhas, the casino comic's co-agitator, and admirer
of "Pope Michael."
'Global paranoia' is a medical term, and it contrasts with the
'encapsulated' form. The globe certainly appears to have
Actually, according to one independent source posted on Goanet as just another
version of history, the lone Goan patriot is a Chinese national quite happily
serving under the communist dictatorial special administrative control of the
government of China. Everybody else is a traitor, and ironic
Dear Bernado,
Except for the brief period before and after the 1967 Opinion Poll, I
am not aware of any PIDEesque 'roughing up' of Goans post-1961. Sure
there is a serious doubt whether Norman Dantas' death was by pure
accident, and the Goa journos have behaved (by and large) like wooses
and l
Hello Doutor Jose,
I agree that PIDE was rough specially in Portugal, but you must also agree that
the regime post 61 in Goa also acted in the same manner.
Unfortunately Fr. Chico was the only Goan freedom fighter to have held the
candle alone. Unlike the so called nameless freedom fighters
There’s more than one order of freedom fighters: Those who brave it all the
way to the firing squad; others who make a living facing firecrackers or
igniting them, and a few who survived by fleeing the region at the sound of the
first gornal (a Goan WMD).
Dom Martin
_
This is a continuation of my response of yesterday to Bernado
http://www.colaco.net/1/India-ter.htm
This is the link I promised ... (I stand corrected if I am wrong
but I believe that Bernado is most likely the XV (or
xacu...@hotmail.com) who is referred to in the text of this article)
H
Hi Vic,
All contributing for the good of Goa are Goans. Vassalo e Silva was Goa's best
governor. Unlike your bharati brotherhood living at Cabo who have ripped apart
this palace of its artefacts. Imagine these chappies formerly living in a
zoparpathi now living in a palace. What is the contrib
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:05:22 +0530
> From: fredericknoro...@gmail.com
> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa's Freedom Fighters
>
> As a follow-up, when was universal adult franchise extended to Goa? And what
> were the qualifications needed to
Dear Bernado,
Whatever harm the goons of the Azad Gomantak Dal may have done to
Goa's civil society, it did not provide justification for the
suppressive actions by the PIDE against Goan intellectuals and other
members of Goan society.
Would you agree with me ?
BTW: I could not tell you if ALL t
As a follow-up, when was universal adult franchise extended to Goa? And what
were the qualifications needed to be a voter in earlier times? FN
2009/6/24 Gabriel de Figueiredo
>
> Talking of elections, how was the Assembleia Legislativa that Goa had
> pre-1961, elected? Ditto with deputados who
Debating for the sake of debate, weren't panchayat elections held in 1962?
FN
2009/6/24 J. Colaco < jc>
> Dear Mario,
>
> You could have sworn a lot of things based on your customary 'faulty
> intelligence'.
>
> It is perhaps that very same "faulty intelligence" which made you use
> the phrase
Doutor Jose,
First of all Ich Nicht Salazarist. Secondly how much freedom of speech are you
talking about? You mean the terror actions of tha Azad Gomantak Dal against a
legitimate sovereign government (bharat recognised the Estado India Portuguesa)
as OK for freedom of speech? Further those
Antonio would care to
answer.
Thanks.
Gabriel.
- Original Message
From: "J. Colaco < jc>"
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
Sent: Wednesday, 24 June, 2009 12:09:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa's Freedom Fighters
Dear Mario,
You could
Dear Mario,
You could have sworn a lot of things based on your customary 'faulty
intelligence'.
It is perhaps that very same "faulty intelligence" which made you use
the phrase "since 1961".
If you would recheck the 'intelligence', you will note that there were
NO elections in 1961 or in 1962 b
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:13:30 -0400
From: "J. Colaco < jc>"
Duck the question: Were Goans given the choice to autonomously decide
their future?
Mario responds:
I could have sworn that all those people lining up across Goa to vote in local,
state and federal elections since 1961 were all Go
Victor Rangel-Ribeiro wrote:
Dear Jose, Yours is a very thought-provoking post. But when you ask,
"Duck the question: Were Goans given the choice to autonomously decide
their future?" the answer must surely be, we were prevented from
exercising that choice, first and foremost, by Salazar.
Dear
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:48:47 + (GMT)
From: Bernado Colaco
Tumultuous moments for a few rascal traitors of Goa. Goa was run by Goans and
had rule of law. Wonder if there is any today?
Mario responds:
Bernardo,
Thanks for this dispatch from the distant planet of Macau:-)) I had no idea
you'd recommend to us as models to
follow?
Regards,
Victor
--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Bernado Colaco wrote:
From: Bernado Colaco
Subject: [Goanet] Goa's Freedom Fighters
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 8:48 AM
Tumultuous moments for a few rascal trait
st regards,
Victor
--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J. Colaco < jc> wrote:
From: J. Colaco < jc>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa's Freedom Fighters
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 11:13 AM
Bernado Colaco wrote: Tumultuous moments
Bernado Colaco wrote: Tumultuous moments for a
few rascal traitors of Goa. Goa was run by Goans and had rule of law.
Wonder if there is any today?
Dear Bernado,
While I agree with you that pre-1961Goa was run mainly by Goans and
that there was the 'rule of law', I doubt that you could convinc
Tumultuous moments for a few rascal traitors of Goa. Goa was run by Goans and
had rule of law. Wonder if there is any today?
BC
So Selma agrees tht Lohia was a "national figure". Did his oming to Goa spurred
the Goan freedom movement or not?
It is true indeed that Lohia did NOT start the fight for Goa's liberation, but
like other leaders such as Madhu Limaye, etc. he took deep interest in Goa's
freedom struggle. BTW, w
--- On Sun, 6/21/09, Samir Kelekar wrote:
> It is laughable to call Lohia from Uttar Pradesh. Just
> shows the communal
> and religional chauvinism of the writer.
>
> regards,
> Samir
-
But Lohia was from Uttar Pradesh. How does that show the commun
Selma writes:
>What an insidious rewriting of history this
>is; a perpetuation of the post-liberation myth that Goan Catholics were
>twiddling their thumbs and playing the fiddle much like Nero, while Goa was
>being liberated.
Where do you see this insidious re-writing ?
No one says that Cathol
This is with reference to the recent report in the Media that the Freedom
Fighters are opposing an upcoming Portugeese Cultural Event
With all due respect to all freedom fighters, I would really request to
know, what really happened in 1961? With key strong factors on our side (A)
The United Natio
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