Re: [Goanet] No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games: Kalmadi

2010-07-25 Thread Frederick Noronha
You are twisting my words here, Santosh. As is clear from the context, I am specifically referring to the point of whether a supposedly secular State should lay down bans on any particular food based on the eating preferences of a section of the population. Last words to you! FN FN wrote: How

Re: [Goanet] No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games: Kalmadi

2010-07-25 Thread J. Colaco jc
Frederick Noronha wrote: I am specifically referring to the point of whether a supposedly secular State should lay down bans on any particular food based on the eating preferences of a section of the population. So what level of purity is right to be accepted? Maneka Gandhi has some good

[Goanet] No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games:

2010-07-25 Thread Agnelo Pinheiro
It would be appropriate for Mr Kalmadi clarify why beef is banned for Commonwealth Games 2010. Was it because of PETA or RSS? Is he suspecting shortage of cows? Why was it was not banned when India hoisted Asian Games (1951 and 1982)? By the way Qatar hosted 2006 games but pork was not banned.

Re: [Goanet] No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games: Kalmadi

2010-07-25 Thread Nascy Caldeira
Dear Dr Jose, I do not blame the organisers or the Govt. of the day; I know it is the RSS and BJP and other saffron wallahs who are threatening disruption and possible terror at the Games, if Beef or Cow meat is served; hence the decision.If the nations withdraw from the Games, then it will

Re: [Goanet] No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games: K almadi‏

2010-07-25 Thread Domnic Fernandes
No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games: Kalmadi‏ Why are we jumping to religious and political reasons? It is a known fact that we, Indians, have been a failure at the Olympics (and other major sporting events) as far as medals concerned. People have always criticized us for failing to win

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2010-07-25 Thread Gilbert Lawrence
Before I get to the more important aspect of this discussion (the take-off), I would like to express my views on the topic of this thread.  I concur with the Indian govt.'s position, which is reasoned and well-balanced! When one arrives at a host's house, it is important for the host to be

Re: [Goanet] No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games: Kalmadi

2010-07-25 Thread J. Colaco jc
Dear Nascy, I am glad you see the greater good which will be achieved by the non-sale of beef dishes at the Games. And, you have correctly assessed the possibility of the chaos which might have resulted but for this ban. Let us never forget that politics is a strange and complex game mastered by

Re: [Goanet] No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games: K almadi‏

2010-07-25 Thread Pandu Lampiao
Not really in my view. There are many an athletes who are vegetarian and winners. The winning Kenyans may not have been vegetarian but were winners likely on limited food and came from improvised backgrounds (Kipchoge 'Kip' Keino). Brazilian footballers don't exactly come from homes with three

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2010-07-25 Thread Santosh Helekar
In the following Gilbert resorts to demonization, instead of sticking to a sober rational discussion. Here is his quote: QUOTE To the second issue on this thread, Santosh's terminology and practice as stated below is from one end of the spectrum. It is identical to the same approach from the

Re: [Goanet] No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games: K almadi‏

2010-07-25 Thread Mervyn Lobo
Domnic Fernandes wrote: Why are we jumping to religious and political reasons? Domnic, Here on Goanet, it seems people take positions for two reasons; 1) Because they know the truth from birth 2) So as to have a position directly opposing those they have grown to hate. Maybe the Indian

Re: [Goanet] No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games: Kalmadi

2010-07-24 Thread Nascy Caldeira
Hello goanetters, What do the Secular, the Agnostics have to say about this, and the saffronites? Will they condemn this? Is this democratic? I thought the Commonwealth is composed of democratic nations. Who the hell are these saffron wallahs to deprive participants of so many nations from

Re: [Goanet] No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games: Kalmadi

2010-07-24 Thread J. Colaco jc
Ah Nascy! What's all this beef about beef? Who is depriving whom from their much 'beloved beef'? I agree with you. Every participant has the 'fundamental right' to eat beef; it's just that the host also has the 'fundamental right' to make available the dishes he/she is best able to provide. I

Re: [Goanet] No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games: Kalmadi

2010-07-24 Thread Frederick Noronha
JC, It is fashionable on Goanet these days specially to project those we disagree with as fanatics, holding extremist views, while believing that our own views are very centralist (as if that's not a political position!) and unbiased. We have also seen another doctor, Santosh, take off

Re: [Goanet] No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games: Kalmadi

2010-07-24 Thread J. Colaco jc
Dear FN, May I suggest that you are : a: Making sweeping generalizations b: Seriously misrepresenting Santosh's take on Nascy (who is free to deny that he has denigrated India/Indians because of the dhotiwallas and the non-availability of beef to eat). I personally believe that Nascy's position

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2010-07-24 Thread Michael fernandes
The saying goes When in Rome do as the Romans do So if foreigners come to India for the games and beef is not on the menu I dont think anyone should be hurt. Again I would like to bring to the notice of the authorities that it is not the beef but gomaans or cow meat that one is not supposed to

Re: [Goanet] No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games: Kalmadi

2010-07-24 Thread Santosh Helekar
--- On Sat, 7/24/10, Frederick Noronha f...@goa-india.org wrote: We have also seen another doctor, Santosh, take off persistently on persons like Nascy or earlier on Fr Ivo, in trying to prove them wrong. Differences in views can stem from legitimate differences in perspective, so why rub it

Re: [Goanet] No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games: Kalmadi

2010-07-24 Thread Pandu Lampiao
Freedom of choice is at issue here and when Endia bid for the games, they should have made it clear and no beef/meat would be served. The better approach may have been to market the game's food as a healthy choice rather than the 'we banned meat' tag. That may have been smart and acceptable to

[Goanet] No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games: Kalmadi

2010-07-22 Thread Gabe Menezes
No beef on menu during Commonwealth Games: KalmadiPTI, Jul 22, 2010, 06.03pm IST NEW DELHI: Laying all speculations to rest, the Organising Committee on Wednesday clarified that beef will not be served during the Commonwealth Games scheduled to be held from October 3-14. We made this decision