Re: [Goanet] What is independence day

2011-08-21 Thread Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Now, our knowledgeable doctors are proving their expertise in the political sciences too. Isn't this a tad unfair? Persons without formal qualifications in the field of medicine would be dismissed as quacks FN

Re: [Goanet] What is independence day

2011-08-21 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:59:38 -0700, Santosh Helekar wrote: …BTW, I asked two native English speakers, one American and one British, to tell me if this discussion has anything to do with the English language. They categorically stated that it does not. They also told me that they found no

Re: [Goanet] What is independence day

2011-08-20 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 06:20:13 -0700, Santosh Helekar wrote:We are fortunate that at least in Goa we do not have a separatist political party, militating against India, to add to the menace created by the Hindu nationalist organizations such as Hindu Janajagruti Samiti. Regarding Goa SuRaj party,

Re: [Goanet] What is Independence day

2011-08-20 Thread Gabe Menezes
On 18 August 2011 04:41, augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder which side they'd be fighting for if Goa, India declares war on the Allied Forces. That is if they haven't been put in sheep pens like the Japanese in the U.S. during the Second World War. Cheers Augusto Augusto

Re: [Goanet] What is independence day

2011-08-20 Thread Santosh Helekar
A secessionist movement against a sovereign state is by definition a political movement. Please read the following paper entitled, The Political Economy of Secession from Oxford University: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~ball0144/self-det.pdf All secessionist organizations are therefore political

Re: [Goanet] What is independence day

2011-08-19 Thread Santosh Helekar
We are fortunate that at least in Goa we do not have a separatist political party, militating against India, to add to the menace created by the Hindu nationalist organizations such as Hindu Janajagruti Samiti. Regarding Goa SuRaj party, hopefully, I will receive an official response from its

[Goanet] What is Independence day

2011-08-18 Thread augusto pinto
Chimbelcho writes, Most Goans who live in Goa and all other states of India know that they are and always have been Indians. This is also true of most Indians who live abroad. This sense of ethnic identity is very important for the success of any nation. All one has to do to recognize this is to

Re: [Goanet] What is Independence day

2011-08-18 Thread Bosco D
-Original Message- From: Santosh Helekar Most Goans who live in Goa and all other states of India know that they are and always have been Indians. RESPONSE: Nice safety with the adjective most. It is unfortunate that there are a minority of Goans who do not regard themselves as

Re: [Goanet] What is Independence day

2011-08-18 Thread Santosh Helekar
It is only worthwhile to talk about most Goans, and the sane ones at that. It is very likely that most in this case is more than 90%. From what I have stated it should be clear that I am talking about ethnicity, not nationality. Nationality is established by birth or naturalization,

Re: [Goanet] What is Independence day

2011-08-18 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão
On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 23:06:46 -0700, Santosh Helekar wrote:… It would be interesting to know exactly how many Goan Indian citizens who reside in Goa consider themselves non-Indian, and want to secede from India. My guess is there are not enough to hold a solitary chicken coop or outhouse in

[Goanet] What is independence day

2011-08-18 Thread Bernado Colaco
Goans are faced with North Korea regime for the past 50 years. How can they secede if they are brain washed on a daily basis. Allow the truth to be told and then see the claims for secession. BC It would be interesting to know exactly how many Goan Indian citizens who reside in Goa consider

[Goanet] What is Independence day

2011-08-18 Thread MD
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 23:45:24 -0400 From: Bosco D bos...@canada.com To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] What is Independence day Message-ID: 4e4c8ad4.7080...@canada.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dear Bosco, Probably most of were born post

Re: [Goanet] What is Independence Day ?

2011-08-17 Thread Santosh Helekar
--- On Tue, 8/16/11, Antonio Menezes ac.mene...@gmail.com wrote: I could be wrong and stand to be corrected, the Indian nation was the creation of the British empire builders.  For Shivaji and his descendents it was Maratha empire and for the Chitpawan brahmins  who followed it was Peshwe

Re: [Goanet] What is Independence Day ?

2011-08-17 Thread Gabe Menezes
On 16 August 2011 22:43, Antonio Menezes ac.mene...@gmail.com wrote: True, quite true not only for the last 64 years but from the day the INDIAN National Congress was formed in the late 19th century that people of India started considering themselves to be Indians. While denomination India

Re: [Goanet] What is Independence day

2011-08-16 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão
On 15 August 2011 15:46, Nelson Lopes nellope...@gmail.com wrote: what is Independence day we are Indians first and not the other way around Nelson Lopes Chinchinim 9850926276 COMMENT : What is ‘INDIA’ and what are “INDIANS”?? When the British came to the sub-continent,

[Goanet] What is Independence day

2011-08-16 Thread Bernado Colaco
Sorry ich bin ein Goan first. BC  Our National sentiment must be above narrow  parochial  outlook. we are Indians first and not the other way around

Re: [Goanet] What is Independence day

2011-08-16 Thread Santosh Helekar
Most Goans who live in Goa and all other states of India know that they are and always have been Indians. This is also true of most Indians who live abroad. This sense of ethnic identity is very important for the success of any nation. All one has to do to recognize this is to know citizens of

[Goanet] What is Independence Day ?

2011-08-16 Thread Antonio Menezes
Santosh Helekar wrote: (Aug 16 ) ''' Most Goans who live in Goa and all other states of India know that they are and always been Indians . This is also true of most Indians who live abroad.''' True, quite true not only for the last 64 years but from the day the INDIAN National Congress was

Re: [Goanet] What is Independence day

2011-08-16 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:58:43 -0700, Santosh Helekar wrote:Most Goans who live in Goa and all other states of India know that they are and always have been Indians. This is also true of most Indians who live abroad. This sense of ethnic identity is very important for the success of any nation. All

[Goanet] What is independence Day

2011-08-15 Thread Bernado Colaco
I am not to sure why this topic is being discussed on Goanet. Goa has nothing to do with 1947 but the bad events of 61. BC What is independence  Day Thousands of Indians will go to bed without a single meal Those little street children and vagabonds will not understand the significance of the

[Goanet] What is Independence day

2011-08-15 Thread Nelson Lopes
what is Independence day A reader has objected to my forward to goanet on the issue as why it is accepted on this forum The right to dissent and and the right to express are equal The reasons as to why it should not have been put forth could have been be educative Objections per se are not

Re: [Goanet] What is Independence day

2011-08-15 Thread Gabe Menezes
On 15 August 2011 15:46, Nelson Lopes nellope...@gmail.com wrote: what is Independence day we are Indians first and not the other way around Nelson Lopes Chinchinim 9850926276 RESPONSE: Aree baba once again. Most Goans in Goa and probably the majority of Goans overseas see themselves as