Re: [Goanet]Elite Schools query

[Bernado Colaco]

Bollywog should visit Macau.

B. Colaco



 --- Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:  On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Dr. [UNKNOWN] José Colaço
wrote:
 
  Now.if you read my post in toto, you just
 might realise that I 
  wasn't referring to the Bakshish culture in School
 Entry alone.but 
  to the Bakshish culture completamente (;-)
 
 Are you suggesting (i) that all things in Goa were
 generally better prior 
 to 1961 or (ii) that some things were better prior
 to that date or (iii) 
 if the Portuguese had continued ruling, we wouldn't
 have had some/all 
 problems we're facing today?
 
 Please let us know how anyone could justify the
 first or third 
 insinuations, if this is what you mean. Your
 arguments however 
 tend to go around in circles, and duck the point. 
 






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Re: [Goanet]Elite Schools query

[Frederick Noronha (FN)]

On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Dr. [UNKNOWN] José Colaço wrote:

 Now.if you read my post in toto, you just might realise that I 
 wasn't referring to the Bakshish culture in School Entry alone.but 
 to the Bakshish culture completamente (;-)

Are you suggesting (i) that all things in Goa were generally better prior 
to 1961 or (ii) that some things were better prior to that date or (iii) 
if the Portuguese had continued ruling, we wouldn't have had some/all 
problems we're facing today?

Please let us know how anyone could justify the first or third 
insinuations, if this is what you mean. Your arguments however 
tend to go around in circles, and duck the point. 

Nostalgia and thinking of them-good-days is an attitude which makes one 
feel reassured with having to cope with the past we've lived with. But 
it's not sufficient to a region forward.

Or else, we could just be more honest about our feelings and say, like the 
writer M G Vassanji (ex-Nairobi, ex-Dar) said recently in Tehelka: The 
whites left too early. 

He incidentally also talks about corruption (It is easy to corrupt 
people in countries like Kenya, a million dollars there means a lot. 
Besides, these countries were treated like pawns in a larger  
international game.) The article also talks about his homecoming for  
himself across three continents, none of which have ever quite belonged to  
him  Is it possibly a sense of alienation that's speaking up?

FN

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[Goanet]Elite Schools query

[Dr. José Colaço]

Radhakrishnan Nair wrote

(Dr Jose Colaco wrote: May I also ask if this extortion was known (this 
common) before 1961? If not, may be that is one point which our Goa Press 
chaps will write something about.)

You never cease to amaze me, Dr Colaco! Let me ask you: Before 1961, how 
many people sent their wards to elite schools?

For your information, this is a problem of relatively recent origin and  is 
not limited to Goa alone. It has been written about umpteen times in the 
national and regional press. As you rightly said, education has been 
commercialised by cartels of unscruplous and anti-social elements.

To get my younger son admitted to the kindergarten of a reputable school in 
Madras last year, I'd to fork out a tidy sum (for me) of Rs 20,000 in one 
go!

Please don't look at everything thru the prism of 'before  after 1961'!

Regards, RKN 

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Dear Mr Nair,

Let me offer you my regards first..on this OFF-DAY for me (:-)

Ask yourself, WHY are some Goans looking at everything thru the prism of 
'before  after 1961'! ?

Many well meaning (perhaps unintellectuals like myself) ask the question - I 
decided to become a lawyer, doctor, journalist etcin (say) the year 
1992.  After twelve years, am I better OFF today than I was in 1991?

Similarly with Goa  1961. Perhaps you will understand it - perhaps not.

There are others who might ask similar questions about 1992, 2000, 2003 and 
2004 !

Such questions are ONLY asked, Mr. Nair, when things are kind of WORSE.

Now.if you read my post in toto, you just might realise that I wasn't  
referring to the Bakshish culture in School Entry alone.but to the 
Bakshish culture completamente (;-)

Perhaps you know - - re pre-1961 -  did Goans have to Bakshish a peon to 
speak to the Empregado? or for a license to build a house or to obtain a 
Travel Document or Passaporte?

Did they have to Bakshish the Customs officers at Pollem or Dabolim?

WHAT is the scenario NOW...Mr. Nair? What is the situation now wrt 
Driver's license, electrical connection, ration cards, birth certificates, 
passports, customs, telephone lines etc?

So...would you say that Goans are better off now..with this Bakshish 
culture?

And.please do not come back with WERE there ANY telephones in Goa 
during the Portuguese times?

I'd let you know that DESPITE the INDIAN BLOCKADE.there was no need for 
Ration Cards either.

anyway

As far as ELITE schools (anywhere) are concerned, I will accept absolute and 
total ignorance.  Never supported elite schools, never sought them out, 
never will. Absolutely NEVER will PAY for Admission.  As you probably know, 
I abhor elitism especially after I studied the Aparthied discrimination of 
the Elitist Caste System.

As far as Goa (pre-1961) is concerned, there were EXCELLENT English Medium 
Schools in Margao, Pangim, Mapuca, Arpora, Bastora and Aldona.

( Alfred de Tavares - whose age you queried - studied at Bastora - if you 
must know)





good afternoon

not from Macau or Uganda but from Nassau (;-)

jc

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