Re: [Goanet] Re: Galileo, Dan Brown and The Church
Some people have a very selective or very short memories! Mario has himself been guilty of backing an individual who made unfortuate comments against a muslim goanetter by the name of Tariq Siddiqi on this this very forum. Ironically, although this person later retracted his statements, Mario persisted in his attacks on Tariq. Mission accomplished Mario. You silenced him out of this list. Gilbert Lawrence, another defender of the faith has publically rejected any evidence of christian crimes against the hindu population in Goa and has gone so far as to deny the reality that churches were built on top of destroyed hindu temples! Finally, let us not even start with Nasci. This character is on a totally different planet. I had the pleasure of meeting Nasci in Goa. I'm not too sure what he has been injesting lately :) About my mom: Her intent to help a young dying cancer patient was good, but the means were not. Declaring a patient cured after some prayers which could result in the ceasation of conventional health care is not only quack medicine, it is also potentially deadly. The fact is that the child died after her prayer group declared that the child was cured. If you wish to revert to quack science and quack cures, I suggest you try it first of your grand children, before you push it on us! Marlon --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marlon, can you give us a couple of examples of insensitive and bigoted comments about Hindus and Muslims or their religion on Goanet that have been met with silence? If you can give me some valid examples, I would like to address them on the grounds of better late than never. BTW, your concern for the under-represented is touching, and perhaps your desire may be to defend them on Goanet, but, in actual fact, most of what we see from you are unprovoked, disrespectful and mean-spirited attacks on Christians and Catholics and their beliefs, once gratuitously ridiculing your own Mom for praying for a relative with cancer who later died. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: Galileo, Dan Brown and The Church
Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given the predominence of Catholic Goans on this list, there is a large bank of people who will mount a vigorous defence of their religion if it is attacked. Unfortunately, when individuals make insensitive and bigoted comments against hindus and muslims on this forum, one is often met with silence. My desire is to defend the under- represented on this forum. Mario observes: Marlon, can you give us a couple of examples of insensitive and bigoted comments about Hindus and Muslims or their religion on Goanet that have been met with silence? If you can give me some valid examples, I would like to address them on the grounds of better late than never. BTW, your concern for the under-represented is touching, and perhaps your desire may be to defend them on Goanet, but, in actual fact, most of what we see from you are unprovoked, disrespectful and mean-spirited attacks on Christians and Catholics and their beliefs, once gratuitously ridiculing your own Mom for praying for a relative with cancer who later died. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: Galileo, Dan Brown and The Church
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given the predominence of Catholic Goans on this list, there is a large bank of people who will mount a vigorous defence of their religion if it is attacked. Unfortunately, when individuals make insensitive and bigoted comments against hindus and muslims on this forum, one is often met with silence. My desire is to defend the under-represented on this forum. _ What an incredible way of defending the under-represented -- by offending the rest of the populace and thrashing their religious beliefs. Lack of self-respect invariably renders insensitivity and disrespect for others. Best, Joe Vaz _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: Galileo, Dan Brown and The Church
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Bosco, It looks like you only disagreed with the tone of my message, and not my actual message. I used the word fiction while you used myths to refer to aspects of the bible. Fundamentally, we agree that much of the content in the Bible is non factual, cannot be verified or cannot be explained by any known laws of nature. While I understand your need to factor in the sensitivies of christians who may be offended by my frank statements, I feel it is unfair to compare my views to the extremely hostile views expressed by some fundamentalist christians against hindus and muslims on this forum. Given the predominence of Catholic Goans on this list, there is a large bank of people who will mount a vigorous defence of their religion if it is attacked. Unfortunately, when individuals make insensitive and bigoted comments against hindus and muslims on this forum, one is often met with silence. My desire is to defend the under-represented on this forum. My views are definately not hostile to Christianity. People should be free to worship or believe in any thing they wish, and I have strongly defended the right of christians in India to prostelize without any restrictions or government inteference. The rather extreme and narrow minded response by so many Indian Christians to this movie is quite stunning. I'm sure people have received all kinds of christian spam from their older friends and relatives urging them to fight/boycott this evil movie. Pretty humorous, but also pretty sad. To me it is not just a religious issue, but also highlights a clear generation gap. Marlon --- Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cornel / Marlon, This is a belated response. My position was against the dismissive stance Marlon took, of The Holy Book, due to the sensitivies of fellow Goanetters. Marlon's position was the other end of the spectrum as compared to Nasci who has positioned himself like a Chistian supremacist _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: Galileo, Dan Brown and The Church
--- Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll end here with today's Papal quote while visiting Birkenau, the death camp section of the Auschwitz complex: In a place like this, words fail. In the end, there can only be a dread silence, a silence which is a heartfelt cry to God Why, Lord, did you remain silent? How could you tolerate all this? Where was God in those days? Why was he silent? How could he permit this endless slaughter, this triumph of evil? (ENDS) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12964054/ Mario observes: Pope Benedict XVI supposedly said at Auschwitz, Why, Lord, did you remain silent? How could you tolerate all this? If properly quoted in context, this is an amazingly peculiar and insensitive question coming from a Pope. Sounds like he was pandering to his audience. My answer to him would be, with all due respect, I guess, the same way HE - and the Vatican - tolerated the priestly pedophiles for decades, and all the other genocides and mass atrocities before and after the Jewish Holocaust, some of which, like the Chinese and Russian pogroms, were far, far worse. Pope Benedict XVI represents the same Vatican that opposed removing the brutal and sadistic regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq where mass political rapes, tortures and killings of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians had taken place for years. This is the same Vatican that did not use its moral capital to speak out against the mass killings in Rwanda and Burundi in the 90's and has not used its moral capital to address the genocide in Darfur. This is the same Pope who is pushing with unnecessary and inexplicable haste and personal bias for a fast-track beatification of his friend, mentor and immediate predecessor, Pope JP-II. Pope JP-II, in spite of his heroic efforts to free the old Soviet Union and his outreach towards other religions, was luke warm and relatively insensitive towards the victims of decades of priestly pedophilia, whose entire young lives were ruined, and seemed more concerned about forgiving the perpetrators and their enablers, even elevating the enabler Cardinal John Law, who had resigned in disgrace, to a prestigious position within the Vatican system. Practicing Catholics need to be aware of these uncomfortable realities and separate the religion and way of life they believe in from the institutions and personalities that have often besmirched it, and continue to do so. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: Galileo, Dan Brown and The Church
On Sun May 14 13:42:49 PDT 2006, Marlon Menezes wrote: Gilbert, it reminds me of another confused work of fiction, also known as the bible. How about giving us a review of this work of fiction! --- Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're being more than a tad bit disrespectful..at the other end of the enlightenment spectrum. Mario observes: Hey, Bosco, Is Marlon being disrespectful towards Christians? No kidding! So, what's new? Did you miss his gem in the URL below? http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2006-April/041649.html _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: Galileo, Dan Brown and The Church
Bosco, I have to side with Marlon re the Bible. Apart from much of it being pretty blood-thirsty, especially the Old Testament, I find its use, by many, to legitimise the state that is modern day Israel pretty nauseating. Even the terms The Chosen People, the Holy Land, and the Promised Land etc are simply pathetic and ridiculous in themselves and for the edifice of a State built on utter bloodshed and stolen property underpinned by usage of the Bible--a text that is definitely of highly dubious provenance. I have been to Israel and to what exists of Palestine and seen how theft of land and property, expulsion of millions, and murder in the name of a Biblical fairy tale is legitimised. I am sorry but I just can't counternance this kind of nonsense, like many enlightened Jews themselves. Respectfully, I have to reject something 'sacred' to you but from my perspective, those who have become People of the Book whether via the Bible or Koran etc, have inevitably limited or circumscribed their thinking for themselves. I have no doubt that this post will upset many but I do not dismiss for a moment, their right to sincerely believe in things like the Bible. All I ask is for some honest re-think on their part and an understanding of alternative views with the same sincere personal respect I accord to them. Cornel - Original Message - From: Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:47 AM Subject: [Goanet] Re: Galileo, Dan Brown and The Church On Sun May 14 13:42:49 PDT 2006, Marlon Menezes wrote: Gilbert, it reminds me of another confused work of fiction, also known as the bible. How about giving us a review of this work of fiction! RESPONSE: Firstly, the Bible is a Holy Book, largely meant for Catholics. Given that you have canonized yourself, not certain it applies to you. Perhaps, you would like to rephrase that to state that the Bible contains anecdotes or myths rather than fiction! You're being more than a tad bit disrespectful..at the other end of the enlightenment spectrum. Bosco _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
