Re: [appengine-java] Does the SDK in WEB-INF/lib Get Deployed?

2011-08-23 Thread David Chandler
Guice can add quite a bit of startup time. There are some threads on this in the appengine-java group. Also see http://turbomanage.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/appengine-cold-starts-considered/ /dmc On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:24 PM, objectuser kevin.k.le...@gmail.comwrote: I decided to give

Re: [appengine-java] Does the SDK in WEB-INF/lib Get Deployed?

2011-08-22 Thread objectuser
I decided to give Objectify a try because I think any significant reduction in startup time could be quite valuable. It appears my startup time is now around 8s. So maybe 2s less, but I don't have any objective data. It's certainly not around 2s total. Alas. On the plus side, Objectify

[appengine-java] Does the SDK in WEB-INF/lib Get Deployed?

2011-08-17 Thread objectuser
I'm wondering if JARs like appengine-api-1.0-sdk-1.5.2.jar in WEB-INF/lib get uploaded when I deploy from Eclipse. Are these items needed in the Google environment? I'm asking because I'm wondering if removing (if viable) would reduce my startup time, which seems to come in anywhere from 10s

Re: [appengine-java] Does the SDK in WEB-INF/lib Get Deployed?

2011-08-17 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
Yes, these get deployed, and yes they are needed online because they provide the interfaces to the APIs. These are essentially thin clients. Fortunately, because we calculate a hash on each of the files, they're not reuploaded each time because we already have an identical file online. I'm not

Re: [appengine-java] Does the SDK in WEB-INF/lib Get Deployed?

2011-08-17 Thread objectuser
I'm just generally trying to look to see if there's anything I can trim. My app seems to need to spin up a new instance a lot (the instance seems to stay up for only a minute or so if I'm not using it), and so there are a lot of 10s delays for requests. I don't really have a ton of libraries,

Re: [appengine-java] Does the SDK in WEB-INF/lib Get Deployed?

2011-08-17 Thread objectuser
I do use JDO (not JPA) and Guice (and not Spring). I also use GWT, GIN and Shiro. So I have maybe 5 primary libraries, along with the SDK. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To view this discussion on the web visit

Re: [appengine-java] Does the SDK in WEB-INF/lib Get Deployed?

2011-08-17 Thread JT
Correct me if I am wrong, I read some where that if one unzip/unjar and jar everything back as a single huge jar file, that will reduce the startup time significantly? Any volunteers to test the theory? : o Also for google, instead of jar splitting, why not provide jar merging feature? Don't

Re: [appengine-java] Does the SDK in WEB-INF/lib Get Deployed?

2011-08-17 Thread Don Schwarz
I think you're likely to see some benefit from uncompressing your jar files (i.e. unjar and rejar with -0), but not from merging them. However, free to experiment with this and report back on your results. On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 6:14 PM, JT jem...@gmail.com wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, I

Re: [appengine-java] Does the SDK in WEB-INF/lib Get Deployed?

2011-08-17 Thread JT
There you go Don, provide that uncompressing out of the box something like jar splitting that the SDK is already doing for big jar file. In GAEJ SDK 2.0? :) On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 7:14 PM, JT jem...@gmail.com wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, I read some where that if one unzip/unjar and jar

Re: [appengine-java] Does the SDK in WEB-INF/lib Get Deployed?

2011-08-17 Thread Bruno Fuster
@objectuser, My startup time is around 2 secs using static scanning for annotated components with VRaptor and Objectify. I don't think you can refactor your project at this point but its worth to check these frameworks for your next one. Regards, On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:19 PM, JT