Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-16 Thread gregor
Spring + Hibernate + GWT is a sound choice and should support most all of what you need to do. I would look at JBoss SEAM, but then I like JBoss. All three are tried and tested in the field, so that should tell you scalability is not an issue. With GWT clients, the key thing is being able to move

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-15 Thread Paranoid Android
Thank you gregor, I think your advices could be very useful to me. My biggest concern, anyway, is not to run on multiple clients. Even if I can't discard this possibility by now, it has not yet been identified as a requirements of the application. The biggest concern is to expose a set of

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-15 Thread Paranoid Android
Other considerations: I read a lot of stuff about SOA, MVC, message-based MVC, SOUI ecc... Some people asserting that MVC is dead, other asserting that SOA or SOUI is the evolution of MVC, other asserting that MVC and SOA are complementary some say black and some say white..headache Ok, I

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-15 Thread gregor
If, for example, I've an application with a rich client interface (e.g. builded using gwt) that interacts with, let's say, with a Session Facade..(ejb, spring, or whatever). My Model is composed of services and a typical persistence layer... now hypothesize that everything is well done,

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-14 Thread Gabor Szokoli
Hi! I completely agree with your comparison between GWT-RPC and SOAP XML, but it is just too convenient for me to reply to your post with the non-conflicting argument for JSON web services as a viable middle ground: On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 2:42 PM, gregor greg.power...@googlemail.com wrote:

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-14 Thread gregor
Hi Gabor, Personally, I never use the term web services anymore. It can mean anything to anybody. I prefer to be specific, so I speak of SOAP, REST, JSON, XmlHttprequest, GWT RPC etc. as appropriate. I'm a GWT RPC person myself, but if I needed to expose services to third party web sites for

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-14 Thread Paranoid Android
Some questions: 1)Using GWT RPC, can the servlets be distributed? e.g., the various servlets that perform business logic can be distributed like web services can? On Jan 14, 3:39 pm, gregor greg.power...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Gabor, Personally, I never use the term web services

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-14 Thread Paranoid Android
Some questions: 1) Using GWT-RPC model, can servlets (business logic) distributed like standard web services are? e.g. can I invoke some business that resides on another machine from a GWT client using RPC? 2) What about Restlets+GWT 3) Do I need to expose JSON or SOAP interfaces for web

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-14 Thread gregor
@Pananoid You may be interested in this post from The Server Side about SOA. http://www.theserverside.com/tt/articles/article.tss?track=NL-461ad=683077l=ChurchandStateasrc=EM_NLN_875uid=6384103 In it the author states: SOA has thus come to be associated primarily with integration of

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-14 Thread Paranoid Android
Thank you gregor, your post is very interesting and I basically agree with your point of view. Cause I'm a newby in SOA solutions, I'm reading and reading things and asking to more expert people like you. In fact I think I need little of integration of different systems (no legacy systems to

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-14 Thread gregor
In-line: On Jan 14, 2:58 pm, Paranoid Android paranoid.fa...@gmail.com wrote: Some questions: 1) Using GWT-RPC model, can servlets (business logic) distributed like standard web services are? e.g. can I invoke some business that resides on another machine from a GWT client using RPC? No,

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-14 Thread gregor
Paranoid, 1) ESB's are good at, and designed for, orchestrating business transactions across multiple third party systems that otherwise could not talk to each other easily, whilst providing clients with a single view of and interface with that process. Other than that, they offer nothing

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-13 Thread Paranoid Android
Thank you gregor!. You' ve been very clear. On Jan 12, 7:05 pm, gregor greg.power...@googlemail.com wrote: in line comments On Jan 12, 4:58 pm, Paranoid Android paranoid.fa...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. I'm looking at SOA because the variouse features of the social application

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-13 Thread Paranoid Android
Interesting..that's what I was also talking about. The possibility to invoke web services directly from a GWT interface to develop self contained UI gadget in some ways like portlets.. Is this a completely wrong idea or can be useful? On Jan 13, 1:31 pm, Gabor Szokoli szoc...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-13 Thread gregor
Yes, you can theoretically invoke web services exposed on your server directly from GWT client using the GWT HttpRequestBuilder. In practice this is almost certainly an unfavourable option because SOAP is a bloated over complicated XML based data exchange mechanism by comparison to REST, JSON,

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-13 Thread Paranoid Android
Thank you for the tip.. I've looked around the Web for days and I'm gaining a clearer view about technologies and possible architectural solution for my requirements. I'm especially doubtful about the possible integration of techonlogies like GWT on the GUI and an ESB like servicemix. ESB seems

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-13 Thread logicpeters
Your authentication would be better handled outside of GWT (i.e; SSO or form-based login). But for the application itself, that approach sounds reasonable. By putting the SOAP client in a servlet, you have access to a wide range of libraries that you can use to interact with the SOAP services,

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-13 Thread Paranoid Android
Great! Thank you. On Jan 13, 3:57 pm, logicpeters logicpet...@gmail.com wrote: Your authentication would be better handled outside of GWT (i.e; SSO or form-based login).  But for the application itself, that approach sounds reasonable.  By putting the SOAP client in a servlet, you have

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-13 Thread Paranoid Android
Great! Thank you. On Jan 13, 3:57 pm, logicpeters logicpet...@gmail.com wrote: Your authentication would be better handled outside of GWT (i.e; SSO or form-based login).  But for the application itself, that approach sounds reasonable.  By putting the SOAP client in a servlet, you have

GWT for SOA development

2009-01-12 Thread Paranoid Android
Hello. My project is about designing an online social network application. I'm in a first stage of evaluating different architectures and design alternatives. The user interface should be made using GWT and the architecture should be a SOA and/or EDA. Now, I'm new to all these

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-12 Thread gregor
Service Oriented Architectures are about connecting different systems within an organisation together using, typically, SOAP. An SOA usually uses a message hub, often called an Enterprise Service Bus, of some kind to manage the connections and SOAP calls between systems. Axis is the most famous

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-12 Thread Paranoid Android
Thank you. I'm looking at SOA because the variouse features of the social application should be implememente as remote services.. What I've to develop is the core of the social network..this core needs to support functionalities that will be added as services in the future. Not every

Re: GWT for SOA development

2009-01-12 Thread Duong BaTien
On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 08:40 -0800, gregor wrote: Service Oriented Architectures are about connecting different systems within an organisation together using, typically, SOAP. An SOA usually uses a message hub, often called an Enterprise Service Bus, of some kind to manage the connections and