Re: Making GWT look good...
I would also like to point you to http://jqueryui.com/themeroller/ Choose Gallery on the left. For mobile Clients there is an equivalent site on http://jquerymobile.com/ Regards, CL On 16 Aug., 13:08, ChrLipp christian.l...@corba.at wrote: I appreciate the direction theGWTteam is heading. I also would like to see increased support for mobile clients onGWT too with native controls (HTML5) for the major plattforms (android, iPhone, ..) Samples could be found under -http://jquerymobile.com/designs/ -http://www.sencha.com/products/touch/design.php -http://www.phonegap.com/apps -http://www.appcelerator.com/products/titanium-mobile-application-deve... HTML5 Development kits are developed everywhere, programming needs in JavaScript is increasing, I would like to stick toGWTand also being able to develop HTML5 mobile apps. Kind regards, CL On 6 Aug., 14:44, Chris Ramsdale cramsd...@google.com wrote: HeyGWT(ers), I've heard from many of you thatGWTapps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know,GWT2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. Cheers, -- Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: Making GWT look good...
I appreciate the direction the GWT team is heading. I also would like to see increased support for mobile clients on GWT too with native controls (HTML5) for the major plattforms (android, iPhone, ..) Samples could be found under - http://jquerymobile.com/designs/ - http://www.sencha.com/products/touch/design.php - http://www.phonegap.com/apps - http://www.appcelerator.com/products/titanium-mobile-application-development/ HTML5 Development kits are developed everywhere, programming needs in JavaScript is increasing, I would like to stick to GWT and also being able to develop HTML5 mobile apps. Kind regards, CL On 6 Aug., 14:44, Chris Ramsdale cramsd...@google.com wrote: Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. Cheers, -- Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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about #2 there is absolutely no documentation on css and uibinder from a designer point of view. For example any half decent designer nowadays would use div and span to create nice layout, while all gwt panels are still using nested tables. You can definitely just do most of your layout with divs and spans and just put the GWT widgets within those tags. UiBinder makes that much easier. Also, most of the newer layout widgets, the *Layout widgets, are now div and CSS based. For example: http://google-web-toolkit.googlecode.com/svn/javadoc/2.1/com/google/gwt/user/client/ui/DockLayoutPanel.html I definitely agree that style is subjective. Personally, I don't like the desktop styles. I prefer a more web based style. There's lots of great examples of good looking web applications on http://www.smashingmagazine.com/ and http://net.tutsplus.com/ -- Arthur Kalmenson On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Uberto Barbini ube...@ubiland.net wrote: We're developing a web 2.0 style app with gwt. I cannot post url here (not yet) but the goal is something like basecamp or twitter, nothing to do with desktop style widget (also cool ones like vaadin). Our experience so far: 1. UiBinder is much better than try to create our own widget by code. 2. it's still much harder to get good looking results with GWT than with plain html with Jquery. 3. overall gwt is worth the pain 10 times if you add snappiness of resulting application, debug, and code reuse. about #2 there is absolutely no documentation on css and uibinder from a designer point of view. For example any half decent designer nowadays would use div and span to create nice layout, while all gwt panels are still using nested tables. cheers Uberto On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Marcelo Magno marceloma...@gmail.com wrote: Worth to mention their debug mode where you can find design problems. Try to click on the analyse layouts button: http://demo.vaadin.com/sampler/?debug=true so +1 for Vaadin Marcelo Magno On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Steve Wart steve.w...@gmail.com wrote: Vaadin looks good, and it makes sense to keep the client-side load light, especially with touch devices becoming prevalent. But it doesn't seem great (so far) for touch UI work, and I think the everything in Java mantra is sub-optimal. While Vaadin has hooks for CSS and hand-crafted JavaScript, my ideal toolset would better support the developers who can make these technologies sing. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Kevin Qiu kevin.jing@gmail.com wrote: +1 for Vaadin. Their widgets are very polished and professional. GXT and SmartGWT are fine but they're too desktop-looky, not Web2.0 looky... On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM, marius.andreiana marius.andrei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chi, On Aug 9, 10:23 pm, Chi H c...@chi.ca wrote: * Pagination is the standard solution to the 'large number of entities' problem. However, there is a usability cost to pagination. It would be really nice to get rid of the pagination and just use a scrollbar. If you used the approach of SlickGrid (http:// wiki.github.com/mleibman/SlickGrid/), where you only rendered what was visible on the screen, you can render large numbers entities without the need for pagination. How will search engines index all the content in this case? The SlickGrid widget doesn't work at all if JS is not enabled. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. --
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We're developing a web 2.0 style app with gwt. I cannot post url here (not yet) but the goal is something like basecamp or twitter, nothing to do with desktop style widget (also cool ones like vaadin). Our experience so far: 1. UiBinder is much better than try to create our own widget by code. 2. it's still much harder to get good looking results with GWT than with plain html with Jquery. 3. overall gwt is worth the pain 10 times if you add snappiness of resulting application, debug, and code reuse. about #2 there is absolutely no documentation on css and uibinder from a designer point of view. For example any half decent designer nowadays would use div and span to create nice layout, while all gwt panels are still using nested tables. cheers Uberto On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Marcelo Magno marceloma...@gmail.com wrote: Worth to mention their debug mode where you can find design problems. Try to click on the analyse layouts button: http://demo.vaadin.com/sampler/?debug=true so +1 for Vaadin Marcelo Magno On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Steve Wart steve.w...@gmail.com wrote: Vaadin looks good, and it makes sense to keep the client-side load light, especially with touch devices becoming prevalent. But it doesn't seem great (so far) for touch UI work, and I think the everything in Java mantra is sub-optimal. While Vaadin has hooks for CSS and hand-crafted JavaScript, my ideal toolset would better support the developers who can make these technologies sing. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Kevin Qiu kevin.jing@gmail.com wrote: +1 for Vaadin. Their widgets are very polished and professional. GXT and SmartGWT are fine but they're too desktop-looky, not Web2.0 looky... On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM, marius.andreiana marius.andrei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chi, On Aug 9, 10:23 pm, Chi H c...@chi.ca wrote: * Pagination is the standard solution to the 'large number of entities' problem. However, there is a usability cost to pagination. It would be really nice to get rid of the pagination and just use a scrollbar. If you used the approach of SlickGrid (http:// wiki.github.com/mleibman/SlickGrid/), where you only rendered what was visible on the screen, you can render large numbers entities without the need for pagination. How will search engines index all the content in this case? The SlickGrid widget doesn't work at all if JS is not enabled. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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We're developing a web 2.0 style app with gwt too, using the UiBinder to construct our panels and the GQuery API to interact with them ( that can be learned more about in here http://code.google.com/p/gwtquery/ ). Is there any chance that the GQuery will be included on the GWT core? On Aug 12, 9:11 am, Uberto Barbini ube...@ubiland.net wrote: We're developing a web 2.0 style app with gwt. I cannot post url here (not yet) but the goal is something like basecamp or twitter, nothing to do with desktop style widget (also cool ones like vaadin). Our experience so far: 1. UiBinder is much better than try to create our own widget by code. 2. it's still much harder to get good looking results with GWT than with plain html with Jquery. 3. overall gwt is worth the pain 10 times if you add snappiness of resulting application, debug, and code reuse. about #2 there is absolutely no documentation on css and uibinder from a designer point of view. For example any half decent designer nowadays would use div and span to create nice layout, while all gwt panels are still using nested tables. cheers Uberto On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Marcelo Magno marceloma...@gmail.com wrote: Worth to mention their debug mode where you can find design problems. Try to click on the analyse layouts button: http://demo.vaadin.com/sampler/?debug=true so +1 for Vaadin Marcelo Magno On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Steve Wart steve.w...@gmail.com wrote: Vaadin looks good, and it makes sense to keep the client-side load light, especially with touch devices becoming prevalent. But it doesn't seem great (so far) for touch UI work, and I think the everything in Java mantra is sub-optimal. While Vaadin has hooks for CSS and hand-crafted JavaScript, my ideal toolset would better support the developers who can make these technologies sing. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Kevin Qiu kevin.jing@gmail.com wrote: +1 for Vaadin. Their widgets are very polished and professional. GXT and SmartGWT are fine but they're too desktop-looky, not Web2.0 looky... On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM, marius.andreiana marius.andrei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chi, On Aug 9, 10:23 pm, Chi H c...@chi.ca wrote: * Pagination is the standard solution to the 'large number of entities' problem. However, there is a usability cost to pagination. It would be really nice to get rid of the pagination and just use a scrollbar. If you used the approach of SlickGrid (http:// wiki.github.com/mleibman/SlickGrid/), where you only rendered what was visible on the screen, you can render large numbers entities without the need for pagination. How will search engines index all the content in this case? The SlickGrid widget doesn't work at all if JS is not enabled. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Thiago Miranda de Oliveira thiago...@gmail.com wrote: We're developing a web 2.0 style app with gwt too, using the UiBinder to construct our panels and the GQuery API to interact with them ( that can be learned more about in here http://code.google.com/p/gwtquery/ ). Is there any chance that the GQuery will be included on the GWT core? Someone from the Gwt team said in the contributors mailing list some time ago, that It depends on the people using gquery and demanding a css selector (or the entire gquery features) as part of the gwt core. On Aug 12, 9:11 am, Uberto Barbini ube...@ubiland.net wrote: We're developing a web 2.0 style app with gwt. I cannot post url here (not yet) but the goal is something like basecamp or twitter, nothing to do with desktop style widget (also cool ones like vaadin). Our experience so far: 1. UiBinder is much better than try to create our own widget by code. 2. it's still much harder to get good looking results with GWT than with plain html with Jquery. 3. overall gwt is worth the pain 10 times if you add snappiness of resulting application, debug, and code reuse. about #2 there is absolutely no documentation on css and uibinder from a designer point of view. For example any half decent designer nowadays would use div and span to create nice layout, while all gwt panels are still using nested tables. cheers Uberto On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Marcelo Magno marceloma...@gmail.com wrote: Worth to mention their debug mode where you can find design problems. Try to click on the analyse layouts button: http://demo.vaadin.com/sampler/?debug=true so +1 for Vaadin Marcelo Magno On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Steve Wart steve.w...@gmail.com wrote: Vaadin looks good, and it makes sense to keep the client-side load light, especially with touch devices becoming prevalent. But it doesn't seem great (so far) for touch UI work, and I think the everything in Java mantra is sub-optimal. While Vaadin has hooks for CSS and hand-crafted JavaScript, my ideal toolset would better support the developers who can make these technologies sing. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Kevin Qiu kevin.jing@gmail.com wrote: +1 for Vaadin. Their widgets are very polished and professional. GXT and SmartGWT are fine but they're too desktop-looky, not Web2.0 looky... On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM, marius.andreiana marius.andrei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chi, On Aug 9, 10:23 pm, Chi H c...@chi.ca wrote: * Pagination is the standard solution to the 'large number of entities' problem. However, there is a usability cost to pagination. It would be really nice to get rid of the pagination and just use a scrollbar. If you used the approach of SlickGrid (http:// wiki.github.com/mleibman/SlickGrid/), where you only rendered what was visible on the screen, you can render large numbers entities without the need for pagination. How will search engines index all the content in this case? The SlickGrid widget doesn't work at all if JS is not enabled. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
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+1 for gwtquery on gwt core. ;-) On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Manuel Carrasco Moñino man...@apache.orgwrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Thiago Miranda de Oliveira thiago...@gmail.com wrote: We're developing a web 2.0 style app with gwt too, using the UiBinder to construct our panels and the GQuery API to interact with them ( that can be learned more about in here http://code.google.com/p/gwtquery/ ). Is there any chance that the GQuery will be included on the GWT core? Someone from the Gwt team said in the contributors mailing list some time ago, that It depends on the people using gquery and demanding a css selector (or the entire gquery features) as part of the gwt core. On Aug 12, 9:11 am, Uberto Barbini ube...@ubiland.net wrote: We're developing a web 2.0 style app with gwt. I cannot post url here (not yet) but the goal is something like basecamp or twitter, nothing to do with desktop style widget (also cool ones like vaadin). Our experience so far: 1. UiBinder is much better than try to create our own widget by code. 2. it's still much harder to get good looking results with GWT than with plain html with Jquery. 3. overall gwt is worth the pain 10 times if you add snappiness of resulting application, debug, and code reuse. about #2 there is absolutely no documentation on css and uibinder from a designer point of view. For example any half decent designer nowadays would use div and span to create nice layout, while all gwt panels are still using nested tables. cheers Uberto On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Marcelo Magno marceloma...@gmail.com wrote: Worth to mention their debug mode where you can find design problems. Try to click on the analyse layouts button: http://demo.vaadin.com/sampler/?debug=true so +1 for Vaadin Marcelo Magno On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Steve Wart steve.w...@gmail.com wrote: Vaadin looks good, and it makes sense to keep the client-side load light, especially with touch devices becoming prevalent. But it doesn't seem great (so far) for touch UI work, and I think the everything in Java mantra is sub-optimal. While Vaadin has hooks for CSS and hand-crafted JavaScript, my ideal toolset would better support the developers who can make these technologies sing. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Kevin Qiu kevin.jing@gmail.com wrote: +1 for Vaadin. Their widgets are very polished and professional. GXT and SmartGWT are fine but they're too desktop-looky, not Web2.0 looky... On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM, marius.andreiana marius.andrei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chi, On Aug 9, 10:23 pm, Chi H c...@chi.ca wrote: * Pagination is the standard solution to the 'large number of entities' problem. However, there is a usability cost to pagination. It would be really nice to get rid of the pagination and just use a scrollbar. If you used the approach of SlickGrid (http:// wiki.github.com/mleibman/SlickGrid/), where you only rendered what was visible on the screen, you can render large numbers entities without the need for pagination. How will search engines index all the content in this case? The SlickGrid widget doesn't work at all if JS is not enabled. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
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I found Vaandin simply Great: 1) Easy to use 2) Cristal clear architecture 3) Exellent Documentation 2010/8/11 Kevin Qiu kevin.jing@gmail.com +1 for Vaadin. Their widgets are very polished and professional. GXT and SmartGWT are fine but they're too desktop-looky, not Web2.0 looky... On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM, marius.andreiana marius.andrei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chi, On Aug 9, 10:23 pm, Chi H c...@chi.ca wrote: * Pagination is the standard solution to the 'large number of entities' problem. However, there is a usability cost to pagination. It would be really nice to get rid of the pagination and just use a scrollbar. If you used the approach of SlickGrid (http:// wiki.github.com/mleibman/SlickGrid/), where you only rendered what was visible on the screen, you can render large numbers entities without the need for pagination. How will search engines index all the content in this case? The SlickGrid widget doesn't work at all if JS is not enabled. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- Olindo Pindaro http://www.linkedin.com/in/olindopindaro +39 3939455830 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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+1 for Vaadin. Their widgets are very polished and professional. GXT and SmartGWT are fine but they're too desktop-looky, not Web2.0 looky... On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM, marius.andreiana marius.andrei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chi, On Aug 9, 10:23 pm, Chi H c...@chi.ca wrote: * Pagination is the standard solution to the 'large number of entities' problem. However, there is a usability cost to pagination. It would be really nice to get rid of the pagination and just use a scrollbar. If you used the approach of SlickGrid (http:// wiki.github.com/mleibman/SlickGrid/), where you only rendered what was visible on the screen, you can render large numbers entities without the need for pagination. How will search engines index all the content in this case? The SlickGrid widget doesn't work at all if JS is not enabled. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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Vaadin looks good, and it makes sense to keep the client-side load light, especially with touch devices becoming prevalent. But it doesn't seem great (so far) for touch UI work, and I think the everything in Java mantra is sub-optimal. While Vaadin has hooks for CSS and hand-crafted JavaScript, my ideal toolset would better support the developers who can make these technologies sing. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Kevin Qiu kevin.jing@gmail.com wrote: +1 for Vaadin. Their widgets are very polished and professional. GXT and SmartGWT are fine but they're too desktop-looky, not Web2.0 looky... On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM, marius.andreiana marius.andrei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chi, On Aug 9, 10:23 pm, Chi H c...@chi.ca wrote: * Pagination is the standard solution to the 'large number of entities' problem. However, there is a usability cost to pagination. It would be really nice to get rid of the pagination and just use a scrollbar. If you used the approach of SlickGrid (http:// wiki.github.com/mleibman/SlickGrid/), where you only rendered what was visible on the screen, you can render large numbers entities without the need for pagination. How will search engines index all the content in this case? The SlickGrid widget doesn't work at all if JS is not enabled. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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One thing that I have been doing lately is to *not* use the tab panel. It's boring. Instead, I create my own tab bar, which I have full css control of, and then a separate stack of widgets. This lets me turn boring looking tabs into something really nice, much like the tabs you find here: http://www.counterpath.com/ (Yes, I work for CounterPath.) I haven't taken the time to figure out how to do that with the tabpanel, especially the part about having the tabs a different width and start position from the stack. As well, I can then make the page header stay in place, and the stack have scrollbars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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Style is so subjective I love GWT as-is, because it is plain, and CSS makes customization a breeze Has the GWT team thought about adding a theme section to there website, similar to Firefox's addon page? A place where developers could showcase custom themes. Other developers could download them, rate them, etc. Let the community drive styling since they obviously have such diverse taste. I'd rather see the core GWT team continue to enhance the widget library and add JRE Emulated classes ... like JDBC for working with WebDatabases and other HTML5 features. On Aug 6, 5:44 am, Chris Ramsdale cramsd...@google.com wrote: Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. Cheers, -- Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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Worth to mention their debug mode where you can find design problems. Try to click on the analyse layouts button: http://demo.vaadin.com/sampler/?debug=true so +1 for Vaadin Marcelo Magno On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Steve Wart steve.w...@gmail.com wrote: Vaadin looks good, and it makes sense to keep the client-side load light, especially with touch devices becoming prevalent. But it doesn't seem great (so far) for touch UI work, and I think the everything in Java mantra is sub-optimal. While Vaadin has hooks for CSS and hand-crafted JavaScript, my ideal toolset would better support the developers who can make these technologies sing. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Kevin Qiu kevin.jing@gmail.com wrote: +1 for Vaadin. Their widgets are very polished and professional. GXT and SmartGWT are fine but they're too desktop-looky, not Web2.0 looky... On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM, marius.andreiana marius.andrei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chi, On Aug 9, 10:23 pm, Chi H c...@chi.ca wrote: * Pagination is the standard solution to the 'large number of entities' problem. However, there is a usability cost to pagination. It would be really nice to get rid of the pagination and just use a scrollbar. If you used the approach of SlickGrid (http:// wiki.github.com/mleibman/SlickGrid/), where you only rendered what was visible on the screen, you can render large numbers entities without the need for pagination. How will search engines index all the content in this case? The SlickGrid widget doesn't work at all if JS is not enabled. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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Hi Chris, Here's a few that I really like : - ActiveCollab http://www.activecollab.com - WordPress Admin http://wordpress.org - Vaadin widget library http://demo.vaadin.com/sampler Cheers Olivier On 6 Aug 2010, at 14:44, Chris Ramsdale wrote: Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. Cheers, -- Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. --- Olivier Digiworks Política de Protección de Datos de Carácter Personal En cumplimiento de la Ley Orgánica 15/1999, de 13 de diciembre, sobre protección de Datos de Carácter Personal (LOPD) DIGIWORKS SPAIN, S.L. informa a los usuarios de que: Los Datos de Carácter Personal que recoge son objeto de tratamiento automatizado y se incorporan en los ficheros correspondientes, debidamente registrados en la Agencia Española de Protección de Datos. El usuario podrá, en todo momento, ejercitar los derechos reconocidos en la LOPD, de acceso, rectificación, cancelación y oposición. El ejercicio de estos derechos puede realizarlo el propio usuario mediante comunicación escrita en la siguiente dirección postal: DIGIWORKS SPAIN, S.L. AVDA SAN RAFAEL, 11, LOCAL 2 03580 ALFAZ DEL PI ALICANTE También pueden ejercitar estos derechos en los términos que la normativa aplicable establece y que puede consultar en www.agpd.es. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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I'm glad to see the GWT Team taking more care of styling. Styling is one of the reasons why we are currently using an external library like GXT from Sencha to build our entreprise apps. I think GXT did a pretty good job there. On Aug 9, 10:17 am, Olivier oliv...@digiworks.es wrote: Hi Chris, Here's a few that I really like : - ActiveCollabhttp://www.activecollab.com - WordPress Adminhttp://wordpress.org - Vaadin widget libraryhttp://demo.vaadin.com/sampler Cheers Olivier On 6 Aug 2010, at 14:44, Chris Ramsdale wrote: Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. Cheers, -- Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. --- Olivier Digiworks Política de Protección de Datos de Carácter Personal En cumplimiento de la Ley Orgánica 15/1999, de 13 de diciembre, sobre protección de Datos de Carácter Personal (LOPD) DIGIWORKS SPAIN, S.L. informa a los usuarios de que: Los Datos de Carácter Personal que recoge son objeto de tratamiento automatizado y se incorporan en los ficheros correspondientes, debidamente registrados en la Agencia Española de Protección de Datos. El usuario podrá, en todo momento, ejercitar los derechos reconocidos en la LOPD, de acceso, rectificación, cancelación y oposición. El ejercicio de estos derechos puede realizarlo el propio usuario mediante comunicación escrita en la siguiente dirección postal: DIGIWORKS SPAIN, S.L. AVDA SAN RAFAEL, 11, LOCAL 2 03580 ALFAZ DEL PI ALICANTE También pueden ejercitar estos derechos en los términos que la normativa aplicable establece y que puede consultar enwww.agpd.es. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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While I appreciate the richness of widgets and behaviours offered by framework like SmartGWT or GXT, I don't particularly like their windowish look and feel, also I don't think it's a particularly good idea promoting GWT powerfulness or web application in general by mimicking desktop application widgets aspect (how many useless web desktops simulating a windows desktop inside your browser have you seen?). I think GWT/Roo should support at least two basic skin: a light theme with few/no images/resources (http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/ Scaffold.html isn't a bad start to me!) and maybe an heavier more appealing one but I think some effort should be done to distinguish GWT/web applications from desktop app. I would use more/nicer effects (slide, fade ecc.) to have smoother transitions and/or communicate to the user that something is happening/has happened (think of mobile apps also...). Just my 2 cents Martino Piccinato On Aug 6, 2:44 pm, Chris Ramsdale cramsd...@google.com wrote: Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. Cheers, -- Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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Thanks for all of the great feedback (and please, keep it coming). With these suggestions and some internal guidance, we're going to move on to fleshing out mocks. Once I have something tangible, I'll share it here. -- Chris On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:01 PM, martino martino.piccin...@gmail.com wrote: While I appreciate the richness of widgets and behaviours offered by framework like SmartGWT or GXT, I don't particularly like their windowish look and feel, also I don't think it's a particularly good idea promoting GWT powerfulness or web application in general by mimicking desktop application widgets aspect (how many useless web desktops simulating a windows desktop inside your browser have you seen?). I think GWT/Roo should support at least two basic skin: a light theme with few/no images/resources (http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/ Scaffold.html isn't a bad start to me!) and maybe an heavier more appealing one but I think some effort should be done to distinguish GWT/web applications from desktop app. I would use more/nicer effects (slide, fade ecc.) to have smoother transitions and/or communicate to the user that something is happening/has happened (think of mobile apps also...). Just my 2 cents Martino Piccinato On Aug 6, 2:44 pm, Chris Ramsdale cramsd...@google.com wrote: Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. Cheers, -- Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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On the topic of the widget set. * One thing we do internally is use deferred binding on some of our custom widgets to deal with different browsers having different levels of functionality. For example, in our custom styled button widget, we use CSS3 properties (e.g.: border-radius) to render buttons on CSS3 browsers, and the CSS2 sliding doors technique (which use images for rounded corners) to render identical looking buttons on less capable browsers. One advantage of using border-radius on the browsers which support it is that you avoid aliasing when zooming in on the page. This has been very successful for us, it should be something to consider for new widgets where appropriate. * Performance is important. Sluggish sites are not fun to use. I love how the GWT team is already so focused on performance, please do not lose sight of it while you are in the process of making it look good. On the topic of the scaffolding app: * Pagination is the standard solution to the 'large number of entities' problem. However, there is a usability cost to pagination. It would be really nice to get rid of the pagination and just use a scrollbar. If you used the approach of SlickGrid (http:// wiki.github.com/mleibman/SlickGrid/), where you only rendered what was visible on the screen, you can render large numbers entities without the need for pagination. * Alternatively, you can just provide developers with the choice between using a scrollbar and with using pagination. This is what we have done internally - in practice, 80% of our crud pages are 'low cardinality' (e.g.: 300 entities) - and we show low cardinality pages by displaying all elements inside a standard ScrollPanel. For extra usability points, if you have a table, the headers should stay on screen as you scroll the data down. * Assuming we stick with pagination, why are there only 8 entities on a page? That wastes a lot of screen real estate, there is a big blank below. Ideally, the list would fill all available space on the page. That would be more difficult, but either way, but 8 is far too low if it is going to be set to a static number. * When you click 'create employee' the 4 input fields for employee creation appear below the search list. That works well enough if there are only 4 input fields, and 8 items on a page, as is in the demo. However, we had CRUD screens with 50 input fields. We also want to put a lot more than 8 items on a page. So, the input fields would need to be on their own page, replacing or overlaying the 8 entities in the list. This is one of those things where there is no one-size-fits all solution, but our experience is that a large number of input fields is more common than a small number. One last 'wishlist' point: * We've actually developed our own GWT-based CRUD infrastructure recently - versioning/duditing is one of the biggest reasons we ended up creating our own infrastructure instead of reusing an existing one. When an entity is created, it is created as 'v1'. When it is edited, we just create 'v2', mark it as current, and leave 'v1' alone. When the entity is deleted, we just mark it as deleted. Because of this, in addition to just CRUD screens, we also have an audit trail screen that lets users see all previous versions of an entity, when each change was made, and who made each change. And users can then select an older version of the entity and 'revert' back to that version. * Undo/redo fall nicely out of versioning as well - undoing an edit is just reverting back to the prior version * We haven't yet implemented it ourselves, but 'future dated changes' (changes that only take effect on a date in the future) and 'approved changes' (changes that must be approved by another user before they take effect) fall nicely into that pattern as well * I know we aren't the only company to have to deal with this, if GWT's built-in infrastructure had this, and did it really well, I believe it would be a huge win in the enterprise market. * Even if GWT's built in infrastructure didn't have this built in, this type of thing shows how important it is for the framework to be easily extendable, so that developers can add this to the framework if needed. --- Chi Hoang On Aug 9, 7:26 am, Chris Ramsdale cramsd...@google.com wrote: Thanks for all of the great feedback (and please, keep it coming). With these suggestions and some internal guidance, we're going to move on to fleshing out mocks. Once I have something tangible, I'll share it here. -- Chris On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:01 PM, martino martino.piccin...@gmail.com wrote: While I appreciate the richness of widgets and behaviours offered by framework like SmartGWT or GXT, I don't particularly like their windowish look and feel, also I don't think it's a particularly good idea promoting GWT powerfulness or web application in general by mimicking desktop application widgets aspect (how many useless web desktops simulating a windows
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Hi Chi, On Aug 9, 10:23 pm, Chi H c...@chi.ca wrote: * Pagination is the standard solution to the 'large number of entities' problem. However, there is a usability cost to pagination. It would be really nice to get rid of the pagination and just use a scrollbar. If you used the approach of SlickGrid (http:// wiki.github.com/mleibman/SlickGrid/), where you only rendered what was visible on the screen, you can render large numbers entities without the need for pagination. How will search engines index all the content in this case? The SlickGrid widget doesn't work at all if JS is not enabled. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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Stock GWT widgets look pretty basic. However they are easy to theme because of their pure DOM structure and spartan CSS. They form a great base to create highly unique non-boring looks. GXT (and SmartGWT ?) has this rich and consistent enterprise look but is a pain in the arse to customize and even then you are restricted to how far you may go. On the other hand, if we compare them at the sources level, GWT is sloppy as hell while GXT is pure beauty. Maybe you GWT guys should stay out of the widget business and focus on the compiler and infrastructure stuff. Oh and the upcoming data grid API, as of right now, looks ugly to me.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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It is crucial that the Look-and-Feel be documented as nimbus is (and OpenLook was). Sure one can theme/style widgets to match at a low level but CSS is insufficient to match scroll bars, navigation controls, sort/filter controls, etc. On Aug 6, 5:44 am, Chris Ramsdale cramsd...@google.com wrote: Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. Cheers, -- Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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I appreciate that Google is working on improving the UI. I understand Chris asked for example business apps, like the expenses demo, but since others are mentioning good looking widget libraries, I thought I'd toss another in. Vaadin has very nice looking widgets and their code is Apache 2 licensed: http://demo.vaadin.com/sampler -Richard On Aug 6, 5:53 pm, gcstang gcst...@gmail.com wrote: The widgets in this showcase look nice with the Enterprise Blue or Gray. http://www.smartclient.com/smartgwt/showcase/ On Aug 6, 2:57 pm, dolcra...@gmail.com dolcra...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for working towards a Nimbus implementation On Aug 6, 8:44 am, Chris Ramsdale cramsd...@google.com wrote: Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. Cheers, -- Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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Hi, I feel Google/GWT should not just an other fancy theme/skin, it should support an abstract theming. To offer just a concrete theme means your own widgets needs work additional work to adapt to each concrete theme. To offer an abstract theming facilities means easily to share concrete themes. I did a proposal how this can achieved with http://code.google.com/p/a1decor By the way. I do not consider the sample to be a real good gui. http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html The graphical design looks nice, that is not the point. This gui has two major issues. a) paging (arrows). Paging is a pure implementation topic which should not be visible to the user. One scrollbar should be sufficient. This paging approach is common but not good. b) modal creation of objects The gui should avoid to be modal. Consider a more complex object and than battery low?! Bad luck. Work lost. The best would be an inline and immediate creation with undo/redo support. However, this is not so easy to achieve. However, I agree, the sample is better as the general experience on the web. Stefan Bachert http::/gwtworld.de Inquiries for professional GWT support are welcome. I am sorry, I won't do free personal support. On 6 Aug., 14:44, Chris Ramsdale cramsd...@google.com wrote: Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. Cheers, -- Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: [gwt-contrib] Making GWT look good...
On 8/6/10 2:44 PM, Chris Ramsdale wrote: Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. I think Aristo looks nice: http://www.antipode.ca/2009/themes-sproutcore-vs-cappuccino/ And there's a CSS implementation: http://github.com/maccman/aristo -- http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit-Contributors
Making GWT look good...
Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. Cheers, -- Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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I think following a documented STD like nimbus would foster good looks adoption. Thx for considering this! On Aug 6, 8:44 am, Chris Ramsdale cramsd...@google.com wrote: Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. Cheers, -- Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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Try using system theme from GWT mosaic project. It make standar application look MUCH better -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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Take a look at the GXT(Ext GWT ) Style i think it looks pretty good 2010/8/6 Roman Kuzmin ro...@softaria.com Try using system theme from GWT mosaic project. It make standar application look MUCH better -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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I wish I could edit the row in-place (spreadsheet alike) On Aug 6, 7:44 pm, Chris Ramsdale cramsd...@google.com wrote: Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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You can use a widgets library on top of GWT, which can make your application look good. Here's what I listed the most/best used ones: http://ui-programming.blogspot.com/2010/01/comparation-ext-gwt-gxt-vs-gwt-ext-vs.html Cheers! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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ahh, good ol Sorinel C strikes again spamming us with links to his trojan infecting ad-loaded site. He's a spammer in disguise. 90% of this posts have links to his site. On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Sorinel C scristescu...@hotmail.com wrote: You can use a widgets library on top of GWT, which can make your application look good. Here's what I listed the most/best used ones: http://ui-programming.blogspot.com/2010/01/comparation-ext-gwt-gxt-vs-gwt-ext-vs.html Cheers! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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+1 for working towards a Nimbus implementation On Aug 6, 8:44 am, Chris Ramsdale cramsd...@google.com wrote: Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. Cheers, -- Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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The widgets in this showcase look nice with the Enterprise Blue or Gray. http://www.smartclient.com/smartgwt/showcase/ On Aug 6, 2:57 pm, dolcra...@gmail.com dolcra...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for working towards a Nimbus implementation On Aug 6, 8:44 am, Chris Ramsdale cramsd...@google.com wrote: Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. Cheers, -- Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
[gwt-contrib] Making GWT look good...
Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. Cheers, -- Chris -- http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit-Contributors
[gwt-contrib] Re: Making GWT look good...
Google Adwords contains good looking business widgets (buttons, dropdowns, wizards, etc). How about open-sourcing some of those? On Aug 6, 2:44 pm, Chris Ramsdale cramsd...@google.com wrote: Hey GWT(ers), I've heard from many of you that GWT apps simply don't look that good out of the box, and styling the default app would go a long way. We couldn't agree more. As some of you know, GWT 2.1 (with the help of Spring Roo 1.1) will generate a full-fledged scaffolding app that users can then go customize, and build on top of. The current incarnation looks like this: http://gwt-bikeshed.appspot.com/Scaffold.html And while it's a start, it's long from being...well...good looking. I'm working with some UI/UX people back at Google, but in the spirit of openness I wanted to get feedback from the real users -- you. Specifically we're looking for business apps that are a good example of UI and/or UX. Apps that allow you to track tasks, expenses, travel, projects, etc. If you have ideas, simply post a link in a follow-up to this thread. Cheers, -- Chris -- http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit-Contributors
