Re: [gmx-users] rlist- group scheme

2018-01-24 Thread Faezeh Pousaneh
> > Hi again, > > Yes. But I thought your comment was referring to "taking the potential to > zero." Neither the cutoff implementation nor your table was doing that at > rcutoff, so any particle in the list got computed regardless of rcutoff. > When you saw a zero-strength interaction, that was b

Re: [gmx-users] rlist- group scheme

2018-01-24 Thread Mark Abraham
Hi, On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:27 PM Faezeh Pousaneh wrote: > Hi Mark, > thanks for remarks, just one point: > > > > > But what I see from resulted potential vs > > > displacement of two molecules, is that Gromacs has taken the potential > to > > > zero at rlist not *''rcut-off''*. That is why fo

Re: [gmx-users] rlist- group scheme

2018-01-23 Thread Faezeh Pousaneh
Hi Mark, thanks for remarks, just one point: > > But what I see from resulted potential vs > > displacement of two molecules, is that Gromacs has taken the potential to > > zero at rlist not *''rcut-off''*. That is why for rcut-off > rlist the > > result is not correct. > > > > You're seeing the

Re: [gmx-users] rlist- group scheme

2018-01-23 Thread Mark Abraham
Hi, On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 1:31 PM Faezeh Pousaneh wrote: > > > > > > > > > For any range of cut off it gives wrong results for rlist>rcut-off. > > > > > > Now I understand where the problem comes. I tried to see the > collisions > > of > > > two molecules with a table (user potential). > > >

Re: [gmx-users] rlist- group scheme

2018-01-23 Thread Faezeh Pousaneh
> > > > > For any range of cut off it gives wrong results for rlist>rcut-off. > > > > Now I understand where the problem comes. I tried to see the collisions > of > > two molecules with a table (user potential). > > > Over what range is your interaction defined? If the potential isn't zero by > th

Re: [gmx-users] rlist- group scheme

2018-01-23 Thread Mark Abraham
Hi, On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:25 AM Faezeh Pousaneh wrote: > For any range of cut off it gives wrong results for rlist>rcut-off. > > Now I understand where the problem comes. I tried to see the collisions of > two molecules with a table (user potential). Over what range is your interaction d

Re: [gmx-users] rlist- group scheme

2018-01-22 Thread Faezeh Pousaneh
For any range of cut off it gives wrong results for rlist>rcut-off. Now I understand where the problem comes. I tried to see the collisions of two molecules with a table (user potential). From the resulted LJ potential between two particles I see that it takes the potential to zero at rlist, not

Re: [gmx-users] rlist- group scheme

2018-01-20 Thread Mark Abraham
Hi, Yes, you said that before. But I asked what range it worked over, ie what range of cutoff. Mark On Sat, Jan 20, 2018, 17:15 Faezeh Pousaneh wrote: > Hi Mark, > > For rlist=rcut-off (max one) it works correctly, but as soon as rlist> > rcut-off it fails and gives different energies. Which I

Re: [gmx-users] rlist- group scheme

2018-01-20 Thread Faezeh Pousaneh
Hi Mark, For rlist=rcut-off (max one) it works correctly, but as soon as rlist> rcut-off it fails and gives different energies. Which I do not understand why. In principle, there is nothing going on after cut-off in potentials. Best regards On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Mark Abraham wrot

Re: [gmx-users] rlist- group scheme

2018-01-19 Thread Mark Abraham
Hi, There could be. But over what range does your table work correctly? What do you get when you have a two particle system at various displacements? Mark On Fri, Jan 19, 2018, 23:59 Faezeh Pousaneh wrote: > Dear Mark, > > Thank you, however, the problem occurs when 'table' is used. For > vdWt

Re: [gmx-users] rlist- group scheme

2018-01-19 Thread Faezeh Pousaneh
Dear Mark, Thank you, however, the problem occurs when 'table' is used. For vdWtype=not-user the energies are OK and the same for both cases, as I mentioned. So I guess there should be something wrong in the way Gromacs interpolates the table with cutoffs and rlist. Best regards Best regards

Re: [gmx-users] rlist- group scheme

2018-01-19 Thread Mark Abraham
Hi, With the group scheme, when you choose nstlist > 1 then you get a list of all the groups that satisfy rlist, whatever it is, and continue to use that list for the whole lifetime. If you chose rlist==rcoulomb, then rcoulomb is never considered again, because you chose to use an unbuffered list.

[gmx-users] rlist- group scheme

2018-01-19 Thread Faezeh Pousaneh
Hi, I run a simple example using Table,6,12 (for LJ) with vdW type= user. Then group scheme should be chosen. In results, I got different LJ energies when I set rlist=rcoulomb and rlist>rcoulomb (which is allowed in this scheme). I see in the manual that with group scheme that can be happen. But

Re: [gmx-users] rlist

2018-01-16 Thread Faezeh Pousaneh
Hi Mark, I implement a pseudo hard sphere potential, (LJ form potential with powers 50, 49 instead of 12,6), wiht parameter sigma and epsilon parameters and vdW cut-off=sigma. I used Gromacs for this and is working properly for the first step. Do you then have an idea how big should be rlist then?

Re: [gmx-users] rlist

2018-01-16 Thread Mark Abraham
Hi, That depends on what model you want to implement - rlist sets the radius within which particles/groups will be placed in the neighbour list. There's further requirements based on the other elements of the simulation with which it has to interact, so for user tables, the group scheme is needed,

[gmx-users] rlist

2018-01-15 Thread Faezeh Pousaneh
Hi, I have a user-potential for vdw and coulomb (PME-user). I use vdW and columnb cutoffs= 0.3 and 0.5 respectively. What should be the value of rlist? sorry, I could not find in manual. Best regards -- Gromacs Users mailing list * Please search the archive at http://www.gromacs.org/Support/M

Re: [gmx-users] rlist

2018-01-14 Thread Faezeh Pousaneh
Thanks a lot, Best regards On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 5:32 PM, Justin Lemkul wrote: > > > On 1/14/18 11:29 AM, Faezeh Pousaneh wrote: > >> Thank you Justin, now I understood. However, I do not have any target data >> for my system. What do you suggest? the longer rcoulomb is safer, right? >> > >

Re: [gmx-users] rlist

2018-01-14 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 1/14/18 11:29 AM, Faezeh Pousaneh wrote: Thank you Justin, now I understood. However, I do not have any target data for my system. What do you suggest? the longer rcoulomb is safer, right? Not necessarily. Longer cutoffs do not imply greater accuracy, nor does any specific value. It depen

Re: [gmx-users] rlist

2018-01-14 Thread Faezeh Pousaneh
Thank you Justin, now I understood. However, I do not have any target data for my system. What do you suggest? the longer rcoulomb is safer, right? Best regards On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:47 PM, Justin Lemkul wrote: > > > On 1/14/18 10:42 AM, Faezeh Pousaneh wrote: > >> Thanks Justin. But I on

Re: [gmx-users] rlist

2018-01-14 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 1/14/18 10:42 AM, Faezeh Pousaneh wrote: Thanks Justin. But I only define vdW potential form, coulomb potential form is as in Gromacs. So I would like to have electrostatic interactions as other systems, so are rlist = 0.9 (in nm) rcoulomb= 0.9 (in nm) fine

Re: [gmx-users] rlist

2018-01-14 Thread Faezeh Pousaneh
Thanks Justin. But I only define vdW potential form, coulomb potential form is as in Gromacs. So I would like to have electrostatic interactions as other systems, so are rlist = 0.9 (in nm) rcoulomb= 0.9 (in nm) fine while I am using PME? Best regards On Sun, Jan

Re: [gmx-users] rlist

2018-01-14 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 1/14/18 6:01 AM, Faezeh Pousaneh wrote: Hi, I have a system of charged hard spheres (user-potential), where the vdW cut-off should be diameter of my molecule 0.3479. I wonder if I chose rlist and rcoulomb correctly? (see below please) I'm not sure if anyone can tell you that. You're using

[gmx-users] rlist

2018-01-14 Thread Faezeh Pousaneh
Hi, I have a system of charged hard spheres (user-potential), where the vdW cut-off should be diameter of my molecule 0.3479. I wonder if I chose rlist and rcoulomb correctly? (see below please) integrator= md dt= 0.001 nsteps= 300

Re: [gmx-users] rlist, rcolumb, and rvdw

2017-01-11 Thread Mark Abraham
; > > > From: gromacs.org_gmx-users-boun...@maillist.sys.kth.se < > gromacs.org_gmx-users-boun...@maillist.sys.kth.se> on behalf of Mark > Abraham > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 3:17:36 AM > To: gmx-us...@gromacs.org > Subject: Re: [gmx-users] r

Re: [gmx-users] rlist, rcolumb, and rvdw

2017-01-11 Thread #SUKRITI GUPTA#
___ From: gromacs.org_gmx-users-boun...@maillist.sys.kth.se on behalf of Mark Abraham Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 3:17:36 AM To: gmx-us...@gromacs.org Subject: Re: [gmx-users] rlist, rcolumb, and rvdw Hi, On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 8:11 PM Mohsen Ramezanpour < ramezanpour.moh...@gmail

Re: [gmx-users] rlist, rcolumb, and rvdw

2017-01-11 Thread Mark Abraham
Hi, On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 8:11 PM Mohsen Ramezanpour < ramezanpour.moh...@gmail.com> wrote: > I found the discussion and the links inside very useful. Thanks! > > I agree with was discussed above. I should not mess around with cut-offs > :-) > > Regarding the main question on this post (Just fo

Re: [gmx-users] rlist, rcolumb, and rvdw

2017-01-11 Thread Mohsen Ramezanpour
I found the discussion and the links inside very useful. Thanks! I agree with was discussed above. I should not mess around with cut-offs :-) Regarding the main question on this post (Just for curiosity): If one wish to use 0.8-0.1 (mess around :-) ), shall we change the rlist and rcolumb to 0.1

Re: [gmx-users] rlist, rcolumb, and rvdw

2017-01-11 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 1/11/17 9:42 AM, Thomas Piggot wrote: Well, IMHO, for a lipids only system I'd would actually change those to use rvdw-switch = 0.8. Not only is this consistent with the original CHARMM36 lipids publication but for DPPC/POPC (at least) produces better membrane properties in GROMACS. See htt

Re: [gmx-users] rlist, rcolumb, and rvdw

2017-01-11 Thread Thomas Piggot
Well, IMHO, for a lipids only system I'd would actually change those to use rvdw-switch = 0.8. Not only is this consistent with the original CHARMM36 lipids publication but for DPPC/POPC (at least) produces better membrane properties in GROMACS. See https://github.com/NMRLipids/NmrLipidsCholXr

Re: [gmx-users] rlist, rcolumb, and rvdw

2017-01-11 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 1/11/17 2:57 AM, Mark Abraham wrote: Hi, Those ancient comments pertain only to the deprecated "group" cutoff scheme. You should look at the extensive documentation of both schemes in the current reference manuals. Particularly vdw cutoffs are baked into the forcefield and should not be var

Re: [gmx-users] rlist, rcolumb, and rvdw

2017-01-10 Thread Mark Abraham
Hi, Those ancient comments pertain only to the deprecated "group" cutoff scheme. You should look at the extensive documentation of both schemes in the current reference manuals. Particularly vdw cutoffs are baked into the forcefield and should not be varied without extensive testing. See http://ww

[gmx-users] rlist, rcolumb, and rvdw

2017-01-10 Thread Mohsen Ramezanpour
Dear gromacs users, Reading through mailing list I found a nice discussion on the relation between rlist, rcolumb, and rvdw: https://www.mail-archive.com/gmx-users@gromacs.org/msg08387.html https://mailman-1.sys.kth.se/pipermail/gromacs.org_gmx-users/2011-February/058507.html If I understood co

Re: [gmx-users] rlist for implicit water

2014-06-03 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 6/3/14, 12:21 PM, Urszula Uciechowska wrote: Dear Justin, How could I change the cut-offs to make the MD more faster in my case? Well, there are plenty of things one can do to improve performance, but the better question is whether or not one can maintain something physically sensible

Re: [gmx-users] rlist for implicit water

2014-06-03 Thread Urszula Uciechowska
Dear Justin, How could I change the cut-offs to make the MD more faster in my case? /Urszula > > > On 6/3/14, 4:15 AM, Urszula Uciechowska wrote: >> Dear Gromacs users, >> >> I would like to run simulations with implicit water. My protein system >> is >> quite big it contains 784AA. I prepared e

Re: [gmx-users] rlist for implicit water

2014-06-03 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 6/3/14, 4:15 AM, Urszula Uciechowska wrote: Dear Gromacs users, I would like to run simulations with implicit water. My protein system is quite big it contains 784AA. I prepared eM.mdp file (see below) however I am not sure if its ok especially the rlist what should I use there in case of s

[gmx-users] rlist for implicit water

2014-06-03 Thread Urszula Uciechowska
Dear Gromacs users, I would like to run simulations with implicit water. My protein system is quite big it contains 784AA. I prepared eM.mdp file (see below) however I am not sure if its ok especially the rlist what should I use there in case of such big system. define = -DFLEXIB