Re: [GROW] New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-grow-no-export-via-rs-00.txt

2017-10-17 Thread Job Snijders
Dear all, For route server operators who wonder how they can transparently passthrough NO_EXPORT / NO_ADVERTISE, the arouteserver configuration generator now supports passthrough mode for both BIRD and OpenBGPD. It is implemented as following: https://github.com/pierky/arouteserver/commit/4b861b

Re: [GROW] New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-grow-no-export-via-rs-00.txt

2017-10-11 Thread Job Snijders
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 at 15:45, Nick Hilliard wrote: > Job Snijders wrote: > > * A few Internet Exchange RS operators need to deploy a new routing > > policy. > > Then you should speak directly to the IXPs who disagree with your opinions > and talk them into changing their opinions. As I

Re: [GROW] New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-grow-no-export-via-rs-00.txt

2017-10-11 Thread Nick Hilliard
Job Snijders wrote: > * A few Internet Exchange RS operators need to deploy a new routing > policy. Then you should speak directly to the IXPs who disagree with your opinions and talk them into changing their opinions. As I said, this has already been tried and it didn't work, but no-on

Re: [GROW] New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-grow-no-export-via-rs-00.txt

2017-10-11 Thread Job Snijders
Hi all, > because: > > - the RFCs are formally ambiguous, dating way back to RFC1863 (which > is acknowledged to be experimental, but documented the practices going > back to the mid 1990s) > > - each IXP which has gone one way or the other has carefully > considered reasons for doing what they di

Re: [GROW] New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-grow-no-export-via-rs-00.txt

2017-10-11 Thread Nick Hilliard
Job Snijders wrote: > OK, but you are not explaining to me why the current set of RFC's can't > be updated to encourage different NO_EXPORT behaviour on route servers > (compared to the rest of the BGP speakers), but instead a new community > is required. it's because there is no consensus in the

Re: [GROW] New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-grow-no-export-via-rs-00.txt

2017-10-11 Thread Job Snijders
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:41:11AM +, Wolfgang Tremmel wrote: > > On 10. Oct 2017, at 05:46, Job Snijders wrote: > > > > Have you considered just updating RFC 7947 to resolve the described > > ambiguity by stating that a route server SHOULD pass the NO_EXPORT > > community unaltered, rather t

Re: [GROW] New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-grow-no-export-via-rs-00.txt

2017-10-11 Thread Nick Hilliard
we've discussed this several times in the IXP community, with no general agreement. In terms of public positions, for example: - DE-CIX honours RFC1997 to the letter: > The well-known BGP Communities NO-EXPORT (65535:65281) and > NO-ADVERTISE (65535:65282) are also honored meaning that a BGP > a

Re: [GROW] New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-grow-no-export-via-rs-00.txt

2017-10-11 Thread Nick Hilliard
Wolfgang Tremmel wrote: > From my reading of RFC1997 and RFC7947 the ambiguity is not really one: > > RFC1997 states that any community-aware BGP speaker MUT NOT advertise > prefixes received with NO_EXPORT > --> a route server is a BGP speaker > --> it is community aware > > RFC7947 uses wordin

Re: [GROW] New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-grow-no-export-via-rs-00.txt

2017-10-11 Thread Wolfgang Tremmel
Hello, > On 10. Oct 2017, at 05:46, Job Snijders wrote: > > Have you considered just updating RFC 7947 to resolve the described ambiguity > by stating that a route server SHOULD pass the NO_EXPORT community unaltered, > rather than interpret it or block it? From my reading of RFC1997 and RFC7

Re: [GROW] New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-grow-no-export-via-rs-00.txt

2017-10-09 Thread Job Snijders
Hi nick, Have you considered just updating RFC 7947 to resolve the described ambiguity by stating that a route server SHOULD pass the NO_EXPORT community unaltered, rather than interpret it or block it? The advance of this approach would be that a portion of deployed route servers are already com

Re: [GROW] New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-grow-no-export-via-rs-00.txt

2017-10-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
Do you all want to chat about this in singapore? or just keep discussing on-list? do you seek WG Adoption of the draft 'now' or would you like to chat about it a bit more first? On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote: > Wolfgang Tremmel wrote: > > just reading your draft, a few rema

Re: [GROW] New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-grow-no-export-via-rs-00.txt

2017-10-09 Thread Nick Hilliard
Wolfgang Tremmel wrote: > just reading your draft, a few remarks, speaking as a private internet > citizen: > > "If a route server client announces a prefix tagged with both the > NO_EXPORT and NO_EXPORT_VIA_RS communities to a route server, the > route server MUST ignore the NO_EXPORT commun

Re: [GROW] New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-grow-no-export-via-rs-00.txt

2017-10-09 Thread Wolfgang Tremmel
Hi, just reading your draft, a few remarks, speaking as a private internet citizen: "If a route server client announces a prefix tagged with both the NO_EXPORT and NO_EXPORT_VIA_RS communities to a route server, the route server MUST ignore the NO_EXPORT community," --> that means that NO_EX

Re: [GROW] New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-grow-no-export-via-rs-00.txt

2017-10-09 Thread Nick Hilliard
New ID submission, as below. This is to solve a real world problem. Comments welcome. Nick internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: > A new version of I-D, draft-hilliard-grow-no-export-via-rs-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Nick Hilliard and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: