Re: [GROW] BGP deaggregation

2019-11-20 Thread Robert Raszuk
Hi Brian, Well your idea of not sending more specifics downstream would be really a cool one if all Tier 1s would fully mesh with each other and exchange those more specifics. Then indeed yes there would be no reason to send those downstream. But I am afraid this is not yet the reality we face.

Re: [GROW] BGP deaggregation

2019-11-19 Thread Brian Dickson
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 6:43 AM Christopher Morrow < christopher.mor...@gmail.com> wrote: > Where does it no longer make sense to deaggregate? Isn't that a bunch > related to what problem the initial announcement is trying to solve? > > I just realized this question might not have had an answer,

Re: [GROW] BGP deaggregation

2019-11-19 Thread Alvaro Retana
Hi! Russ evolved the draft with a couple of different names and co-authors. The last version was this: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-white-grow-overlapping-routes/ …which we presented at grow a couple of years ago. Alvaro. On November 20, 2019 at 2:36:23 AM, Jakob Heitz (jheitz)

Re: [GROW] BGP deaggregation

2019-11-19 Thread Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
, November 4, 2019 6:56 PM To: grow@ietf.org Subject: Re: [GROW] BGP deaggregation Hello Robert, I really like the way you describe the situation. And this one is a very important phrase: "What is bad for Internet is propagating those more specific routes beyond the point that they mak

Re: [GROW] BGP deaggregation

2019-11-05 Thread Antonio Prado
On 11/3/19 9:28 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote: > Actually announcing more specifics of the block one owns has real > service advantages. So in itself it is actually a good thing !  > > What is bad for Internet is propagating those more specific routes > beyond the point that they make any difference

Re: [GROW] BGP deaggregation

2019-11-04 Thread Alejandro Acosta
Hello Robert,   I really like the way you describe the situation. And this one is a very important phrase: "What is bad for Internet is propagating those more specific routes beyond the point that they make any difference any longer. "   I recognize that your draft if more complicated than what

Re: [GROW] BGP deaggregation

2019-11-04 Thread Robert Raszuk
> I’m sure someone else will take up the slots almost immediately. Hehe and what stops that someone to inject those more specifics today before you take back yours :) ? Last time I looked at BGP UPDATE I did not notice any TDM like slots there :) If BGP announcements would be having free quota

Re: [GROW] BGP deaggregation

2019-11-04 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Nov 3, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Christopher Morrow > wrote: > > Where does it no longer make sense to deaggregate? Isn't that a bunch related > to what problem the initial announcement is trying to solve? I’m looking to get rid of some of our more specifics in 2020 which should help reduce

Re: [GROW] BGP deaggregation

2019-11-03 Thread Robert Raszuk
Hi Christopher, Where does it no longer make sense to deaggregate? Isn't that a bunch > related to what problem the initial announcement is trying to solve? > My answer is - If routing path to destination by more specific would be identical to the path covered by less specific prefix. Based on

Re: [GROW] BGP deaggregation

2019-11-03 Thread Job Snijders
Thank you Robert for sharing your perspective. I didn’t take the intention of the mail thread to be that deaggregation is bad, just that when done incorrectly, it results in suboptimal results. We need to document the cases where the business intentions and the reality of what happens in the

Re: [GROW] BGP deaggregation

2019-11-03 Thread Christopher Morrow
Where does it no longer make sense to deaggregate? Isn't that a bunch related to what problem the initial announcement is trying to solve? On Sun, Nov 3, 2019, 15:29 Robert Raszuk wrote: > Folks, > > Allow me to express a bit of a different view - this time from enterprise > perspective. > >

[GROW] BGP deaggregation

2019-11-03 Thread Robert Raszuk
Folks, Allow me to express a bit of a different view - this time from enterprise perspective. Actually announcing more specifics of the block one owns has real service advantages. So in itself it is actually a good thing ! What is bad for Internet is propagating those more specific routes