Re: [Gta04-owner] [Tinkerphones] FOSDEM 2018 and beyond

[joerg Reisenweber]

On Mon 05 February 2018 16:45:17 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Well, from public perception they are both "phone manufacturers". Even if
> they don't have their own fab. But that is very common. FIC did produce for
> OpenMoko.

Not exactly. Openmoko used a FIC facility (incl workers) to run their PV and 
production. R always been with OM, at least as long as I been involved. And 
everybody could get even the NDA'ed glamo-et-al docs by signing a NDA - 
something Purism clearly and explicitly rejected when I asked.
What the company been "labeled" is another topic, related to finances etc.

In my book Purism does clever marketing but not much more. They obviously 
don't have own HW R And they market a mechanical switch plus 4cm wire they 
designed into that OEM product, like it were a scientific breakthrough. Almost 
funny to read how they elaborate about the "difficulties" they had with it.


a clarification: the above and previous statements about their copyright and 
own R are based on what I recall their CTO(?) told me in a query on IRC when 
I asked for the schematics to help solve a problem. That's *exactly* where 
OPENNESS starts, or rather *ends* in this case - a blackbox hardware with a 
few *.h files as "documentation" how to use the blackbox is not open, even 
while FSF/RYF seems to think so.


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Re: [Gta04-owner] [Tinkerphones] FOSDEM 2018 and beyond

[joerg Reisenweber]

On Mon 05 February 2018 09:54:36 rhn wrote:
> However, not all hope is
> lost, since Purism and Fairphone both have a strong focus on the hardware,
> so that could be a meeting point.

Purism doesn't even have the copyright and thus the permission to share their 
schematics! How's that "strong focus on hardware"?

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Re: [Gta04-owner] [Tinkerphones] FOSDEM 2018 and beyond

[H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Hi rhn,

> Am 04.02.2018 um 23:40 schrieb rhn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Sun, 4 Feb 2018 17:01:55 +0100
> "H. Nikolaus Schaller"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> FOSDEM is over and I am leaving for the airport in 10 minutes :(
>> 
>> FOSDEM was an as interesting experience as every time.
>> Many people to meet, many talks, (too) many topics in
>> parallel... You have to decide how to spend time and know
>> in advance that you miss 90% of important things.
>> 
>> Unfortunately I didn't notice any talk, booth, presentation,
>> material to mention OpenMoko. Except some people who did remember
>> when we came into talking. But as said I haven't been everywhere :)
>> So if anyone did see something, please share.
> 
> OpenMoko was mentioned near the end of FOSDEM at a Birds of Feather phone 
> development event that was organized ad-hoc on Saturday:
> 
> https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/02/03/helping-purism-not-to-make-the-same-mistakes/

interesting! I think nobody of our tinkerphones, gta04, Pyra, Replicant 
developers did know about it.

> 
> It was focused on Purism as the most recent contender to the title of a free 
> software phone, but the conversation was really about other platforms, as you 
> might guess from the post.
> 
> There were people present involved with Purism, Jolla, Postmarket OS, Maemo, 
> Mer, but also Fairphone and Plasma Mobile (sorry about those I forgot). 
> Personally, I regret not meeting any people from Pyra, OpenMoko, ZeroPhone or 
> Replicant, but I hope that at FOSDEM was an anomaly and that the community is 
> not splitting in half :)

To me it looks as if the community is already split in half, because the 
projects you list were "missing" on the list by Bob Summerwill. Well, if there 
had been a dedicated devroom it might have been very different because we would 
have known about a meeting opportunity long before.

Another observation is that Bob's initiative seems to focus on mobile software 
while we are more on the interfaces and down to hardware.

BR and thanks for sharing! Next year... :)

Nikolaus
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Re: [Gta04-owner] [Tinkerphones] FOSDEM 2018 and beyond

[rhn]

Hi,

On Sun, 4 Feb 2018 17:01:55 +0100
"H. Nikolaus Schaller"  wrote:

> Hi all,
> FOSDEM is over and I am leaving for the airport in 10 minutes :(
> 
> FOSDEM was an as interesting experience as every time.
> Many people to meet, many talks, (too) many topics in
> parallel... You have to decide how to spend time and know
> in advance that you miss 90% of important things.
> 
> Unfortunately I didn't notice any talk, booth, presentation,
> material to mention OpenMoko. Except some people who did remember
> when we came into talking. But as said I haven't been everywhere :)
> So if anyone did see something, please share.

OpenMoko was mentioned near the end of FOSDEM at a Birds of Feather phone 
development event that was organized ad-hoc on Saturday:

https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/02/03/helping-purism-not-to-make-the-same-mistakes/

It was focused on Purism as the most recent contender to the title of a free 
software phone, but the conversation was really about other platforms, as you 
might guess from the post.

There were people present involved with Purism, Jolla, Postmarket OS, Maemo, 
Mer, but also Fairphone and Plasma Mobile (sorry about those I forgot). 
Personally, I regret not meeting any people from Pyra, OpenMoko, ZeroPhone or 
Replicant, but I hope that at FOSDEM was an anomaly and that the community is 
not splitting in half :)

Cheers,
rhn
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