Re: [guardian-dev] Gilgamesh, FireChat etc

2014-11-04 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Resurrecting this thread to mention an idea that came to me last night. I don't have time to try it out at the moment, but it might allow us to create a Wi-Fi Direct connection between two devices without any user interaction: * Alice creates a

Re: [guardian-dev] Gilgamesh, FireChat etc

2014-11-04 Thread Nathan of Guardian
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Michael Rogers wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Resurrecting this thread to mention an idea that came to me last night. I don't have time to try it out at the moment, but it might allow us to create a Wi-Fi Direct connection between

Re: [guardian-dev] Gilgamesh, FireChat etc

2014-10-10 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I wonder if we could capture the discovery frames with airodump-ng and explore them with wireshark... Cheers, Michael On 09/10/14 18:43, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: If there is DNS communication, that means there is IP communication already

Re: [guardian-dev] Gilgamesh, FireChat etc

2014-10-09 Thread Nathan of Guardian
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014, at 01:43 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: If there is DNS communication, that means there is IP communication already setup. Or is there some kind of special DNS for wifi direct? If there is IP, then I think you'll get a lot more efficient data transfer using IP

Re: [guardian-dev] Gilgamesh, FireChat etc

2014-10-09 Thread Paul Gardner-Stephen
Hello, My understanding is that this is special Wi-Fi Direct DNS, not general IP traffic, which would basically imply some equivalent to ad-hoc Wi-Fi. It would be great if the latter were true, but I don't believe it is. Paul. On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner

Re: [guardian-dev] Gilgamesh, FireChat etc

2014-10-08 Thread Nathan of Guardian
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 06:48 AM, Paul Gardner-Stephen wrote: Hello All, I have been following the discussion about FireChat, Gilgamesh and the really interesting ideas in it for using bluetooth device names to transfer data. As someone pointed out, this transport could be fairly

Re: [guardian-dev] Gilgamesh, FireChat etc

2014-10-08 Thread Nathan of Guardian
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 08:21 AM, Paul Gardner-Stephen wrote: Hello Nathan, Root would not be required to use this transport. In other words: adding the bluetooth device name transport would allow most stock Android phones to mesh, albeit at low data rates (~1KB/minute), and with

Re: [guardian-dev] Gilgamesh, FireChat etc

2014-10-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Hey Paul, Good to see your comments here, since you're deep in the mesh. I wanted to get your thoughts on a question: since this bluetooth name hack is a broadcast-only transport, I fear it will also have the same limitations as all other mesh transports with rely on some kind of broadcast

Re: [guardian-dev] Gilgamesh, FireChat etc

2014-10-08 Thread Nathan of Guardian
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 09:07 AM, Paul Gardner-Stephen wrote: Hello, On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Nathan of Guardian [1]nat...@guardianproject.info wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 08:21 AM, Paul Gardner-Stephen wrote: Hello Nathan, Root would not be required to use this