Re: Dropping gzip-compressed substitutes

Hi everyone, Mathieu Othacehe writes: > Hey Ludo, > >> As discussed on IRC, I’m skeptical about this because: >> >> 1. It requires the development and testing of a custom tool that’s >> easy to get wrong—e.g., it removes a gzipped nar for something that >> had nothing but gzip

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

On 20.02.2022 22:02, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > > "Sex is distinct from gender" is a common transphobic talking point. > Like I said I don't actually want to argue, but I really feel the need to point out that what you seem to consider a transphobic talking point is seen as a fundamental

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

On 20.02.2022 22:37, Thiago Jung Bauermann wrote: > > Taylan Kammer writes: > >> Just one remark for them: most women I know would think twice before >> spending time trying to get into a community whose rules intentionally >> don't acknowledge sex-based discrimination. > > Honest question,

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

Hi Liliana, [dropping ML CC for this reply as its offtopic re Guix] Thanks for the clarification. Living in Belgium, this advert for bars/cafes always wrankles me: ``` cherche serveuse ``` It may be that Im missing some linguistic touches but I dont know why such gender inference is legal.

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

Taylan Kammer writes: > Just one remark for them: most women I know would think twice before > spending time trying to get into a community whose rules intentionally > don't acknowledge sex-based discrimination. Honest question, because (IIUC) this is the whole point of having a CoC: Do

Re: Documentation of what is appropriate for #guix?

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 13:36:30 -0500 Vagrant Cascadian wrote > I admittedly forget to check the messages from chanserv for channels I > frequent regularly, having personally grown accustomed to the norms of > the channel... In my opinion, it's easy to miss. I had to actively

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

Liliana Marie Prikler writes: >> To me, this seems a rather contrived scenario though ... > In this "contrived" scenario Harold would still (intentionally or > otherwise) be discriminating Victor·ia over their gender by publicly > pointing out the disconnect between the two. In the daily

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

Salut Jonathan, Am Sonntag, dem 20.02.2022 um 20:56 + schrieb Jonathan McHugh: > Hi Liliana, > > February 20, 2022 8:37 PM, "Liliana Marie Prikler" > wrote: > > Am Sonntag, dem 20.02.2022 um 19:45 +0100 schrieb Maxime Devos: > > > > > > > To me, this seems a rather contrived scenario

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

Hi Mark, Am Sonntag, dem 20.02.2022 um 14:47 -0500 schrieb Mark H Weaver: > Hi Liliana, > > Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > > > > Note: The upstream Contributor Covenant wouldn't want to include > > > it because the author seems to have a peculiar world-view where > > > they don't acknowledge

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

Hi Liliana, February 20, 2022 8:37 PM, "Liliana Marie Prikler" wrote: > Am Sonntag, dem 20.02.2022 um 19:45 +0100 schrieb Maxime Devos: >> >> To me, this seems a rather contrived scenario though ... > > In this "contrived" scenario Harold would still (intentionally or > otherwise) be

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

What is subjective about the numbers about energy consumption? The numbers are not subjective. As stated later it is the opinion on whether it is useful or not that is subjective. 1 Bitcoin transaction is said to be equivalent to 735121 Visa transactions This is a bad comparison since it

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

Hello Maxime, February 20, 2022 1:37 PM, "Maxime Devos" wrote: > > More concretely, the p2pool description is: > > ‘Monero P2Pool is a peer-to-peer Monero mining pool. P2Pool > combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully > control your Monero node and what it mines, but

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

Hi Liliana, Liliana Marie Prikler writes: >> Note: The upstream Contributor Covenant wouldn't want to include it >> because the author seems to have a peculiar world-view where they >> don't acknowledge that humans actually have a sex. I hope the Guix >> maintainers are more reasonable than

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

On 20.02.2022 19:05, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: >> Note: The upstream Contributor Covenant wouldn't want to include it >> because the author seems to have a peculiar world-view where they >> don't acknowledge that humans actually have a sex. I hope the Guix >> maintainers are more reasonable

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

I'd prefer to steer clear of passing value judgments on individual packages of free software as a policy. All of the tools we provide can be used for good or evil. It is up to the user to bear responsibility for their own actions with the software they choose to build. Sincerely, Ryan

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

Hi Maxime, Am Sonntag, dem 20.02.2022 um 19:45 +0100 schrieb Maxime Devos: > Liliana Marie Prikler schreef op zo 20-02-2022 om 19:05 [+0100]: > > > Note: The upstream Contributor Covenant wouldn't want to include > > > it because the author seems to have a peculiar world-view where > > > they

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

Taylan Kammer writes: > On 20.02.2022 11:05, Maxime Devos wrote: >> >> Guix has a policy against including malware[citation needed 2], and >> furthering global warming[3] (and energy prices[4], if [3] is not bad >> enough for you) seems rather bad behaviour to me. >> >> Would these miners be

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

Liliana Marie Prikler schreef op zo 20-02-2022 om 19:05 [+0100]: > > Note: The upstream Contributor Covenant wouldn't want to include it > > because the author seems to have a peculiar world-view where they > > don't acknowledge that humans actually have a sex. I hope the Guix > > maintainers are

Re: Documentation of what is appropriate for #guix?

On 2022-02-19, m...@excalamus.com wrote: > On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 21:33:47 -0500 Vagrant Cascadian > wrote > > Every now and then someone stumbles into #guix and ask questions that > > I've gleaned over time are off-topic (e.g. non-free software). While I > > have a pretty good idea

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

Hi Maxime, Am Sonntag, dem 20.02.2022 um 11:05 +0100 schrieb Maxime Devos: > [CC'ing some people in Guix I know to be interested in cryptocurrency] > > Hi, > > Guix packages some cryptocurrency(*) software (bitcoin, monero, some > people have been working on packaging ethereum).  So far, it

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

> Note: The upstream Contributor Covenant wouldn't want to include it > because the author seems to have a peculiar world-view where they > don't acknowledge that humans actually have a sex. I hope the Guix > maintainers are more reasonable than that. :-) Sorry, but tracking down the issue you

Semantics of circular imports

Philip McGrath schreef op zo 20-02-2022 om 11:47 [-0500]: > I was just (or maybe am still?) dealing with some issues caused by cyclic > imports of package modules while updating Racket to 8.4: see in particular > , as well as #66, #112, and #113 in the > same

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

Thinking about it from the perspective of people that want to join the project and are not potential harassers makes more sense. They will feel their problems are understood. Thanks for elaborating with that beautiful quote. It makes total sense. Ekaitz

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

Martin Becze schreef op zo 20-02-2022 om 12:13 [+0100]: > I don't consider mining to be wastefully and this is a extremely > subjective opinion. What is subjective about the numbers about energy consumption? Quoting myself: ‘At least for bitcoin, mining is known to consume an absurd(*) amount of

Re: unbound-service-type

Hi Ludo, Thank you for your reply! > I’d recommend passing the config file directly, as in: > > "-c" #$(local-file "unbound.conf") Doing that now. > > However when I add these to my operating-system configuration, and copy the > > configuration file using the etc-service-type it doesn't run

Re: Faster "guix pull" by incremental compilation and non-circular modules?

Hi, On Sunday, February 20, 2022 7:19:07 AM EST Maxime Devos wrote: > Ekaitz Zarraga schreef op zo 20-02-2022 om 11:34 [+]: > > Making a Guix pull is unpredictable too... > > An idea for making "guix pull" faster: > > 1. Make package imports non-circular, breaking up package modules >

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

On 20.02.2022 14:16, Ekaitz Zarraga wrote: > I have a weird question about this that might be a little bit offtopic. > > Why should we specify reasons? It's like we are saying some reasons are more > important than others. > > Is it not ok with... > >> our project and our community a

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

On 20.02.2022 14:10, Julien Lepiller wrote: > Sounds good, but isn't that included in "sexual identity" already? For > reference, where does the author say that? Apparently "sexual identity" is more like sexual orientation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_identity -- Taylan

Re: Compiling blender

> Ekaitz Zarraga eka...@elenq.tech writes: > > > I was updating mesa, see #54066. > > Give the build farm some time and it will build things for you. > Nobody else is expected to build all the packages you mentioned. But I wanted to use it in my machine anyway. > > > PS: I don’t take the bait

Re: Compiling blender

Ekaitz Zarraga writes: > I was updating mesa, see #54066. Give the build farm some time and it will build things for you. Nobody else is expected to build all the packages you mentioned. >> PS: I don’t take the bait :) […] > I understand your point with Bitcoin […] I made no point about

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

> On 20 Feb 2022, at 10:07, Maxime Devos wrote: > > Guix has a policy against including malware[citation needed 2], and > furthering global warming[3] (and energy prices[4], if [3] is not bad > enough for you) seems rather bad behaviour to me. > > Would these miners be considered malware in

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

On Sunday, February 20, 2022 7:44:18 AM EST Taylan Kammer wrote: > On 20.02.2022 13:37, Maxime Devos wrote: > > The points about slippery slopes, research and niche use-cases seem > > reasonable to me. I do see follow-up questions though, should the > > description in Guix warn about potential

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

I have a weird question about this that might be a little bit offtopic. Why should we specify reasons? It's like we are saying some reasons are more important than others. Is it not ok with... > our project and our community a harassment-free experience for everyone. ? That should cover

Re: [minor patch] Amend CoC

Sounds good, but isn't that included in "sexual identity" already? For reference, where does the author say that? On February 20, 2022 2:02:07 PM GMT+01:00, Taylan Kammer wrote: >This is a really tiny thing. A recent thread on the ML prompted me to >look at our CoC and I noticed it doesn't

[minor patch] Amend CoC

This is a really tiny thing. A recent thread on the ML prompted me to look at our CoC and I noticed it doesn't include 'sex' in the list of things based on which one might be discriminated against, so attached is a patch that adds that one word. Note: The upstream Contributor Covenant wouldn't

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

On 20.02.2022 13:37, Maxime Devos wrote: > > The points about slippery slopes, research and niche use-cases seem > reasonable to me. I do see follow-up questions though, should the > description in Guix warn about potential issues? And should the > description focus on research uses? ... > >

Expensive builds when computing channel instance derivations

Hey, Back in early 2021, I was trying to address the issues the Guix Data Service has when trying to compute channel instance derivations for various systems [1]. 1: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/47989 Some changes did some out of that, and I believe the helped, but even with those changes, being

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

Taylan Kammer schreef op zo 20-02-2022 om 13:20 [+0100]: > If we're going to exclude software on grounds of it being used in harmful > ways, I can already see people arguing that one should exclude software > such as aircrack-ng for aiding in breaching into networks, or anonymity > software like

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

On 20.02.2022 11:05, Maxime Devos wrote: > > Guix has a policy against including malware[citation needed 2], and > furthering global warming[3] (and energy prices[4], if [3] is not bad > enough for you) seems rather bad behaviour to me. > > Would these miners be considered malware in Guix? >

Faster "guix pull" by incremental compilation and non-circular modules?

Ekaitz Zarraga schreef op zo 20-02-2022 om 11:34 [+]: > Making a Guix pull is unpredictable too... An idea for making "guix pull" faster: 1. Make package imports non-circular, breaking up package modules in parts when necessary. 2. Instead of building all of Guix as a single

Expat 2.4.5 with security fixes released

Hello everyone! Expat 2.4.5 with security fixes has been released. Please note that different people evaluate the impact of security issues differently: 2 of those 5 vulnerability allow proven code execution not within Expat but in (some) applications using Expat, and hence they are

Re: Compiling blender

> On purpose? We have binaries for blender: > > https://ci.guix.gnu.org/search?query=blender > I was updating mesa, see #54066. > PS: I don’t take the bait :) But think about it, that makes Guix unusable when running on battery for instance. Making a Guix pull is unpredictable too... I

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

I don't consider mining to be wastefully and this is a extremely subjective opinion. It should be a users choose whether or not they want to mine. A corner stone of free software is "(0) The freedom to run the program as you wish, for whatever purpose." By limiting what is  accessible to the

Compiling blender

Ekaitz Zarraga writes: > Yesterday I spent like 6 hours trying to install a package (blender). > > My Guix system compiled tons of rust modules, texlive, inkscape, gtk+ more > than one time, qt nd finally blender. On purpose? We have binaries for blender:

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

Note the joke here but: Yesterday I spent like 6 hours trying to install a package (blender). My Guix system compiled tons of rust modules, texlive, inkscape, gtk+ more than one time, qt nd finally blender. All that with my CPU to 100%. Is Guix malware? Cheers, Ekaitz

How to run a command before shutdown.

Hello: I want to run "rmmod mt7921e" before shutdown, how to setup in guix system? Thanks!

Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

Yes, bitcoin could be considered malware. There is GNU Taler which is more efficent. Unfortunately Taler has not started yet, there is no working exchange at the moment. Tobias

Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?

[CC'ing some people in Guix I know to be interested in cryptocurrency] Hi, Guix packages some cryptocurrency(*) software (bitcoin, monero, some people have been working on packaging ethereum). So far, it only appeared that clients are being packaged. More recently, a ‘miner’ for monero has