I have taken seven costume/fashion history classes in college. Two in the
fashion dept., four in the theater costume design dept. and one in the home
ec. ed. program. These classes were at three different colleges and during
three decades, 70s, 80s, 90s.. I wrote and drew my hand off in
At 12:44 PM -0400 9/23/06, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote:
And King Arthur with Clive Owen, Keira Knightley in blue paint and
leather bra,
Beats me why they seemed to think she was a Pict. :-)
Beats me why they seemed to think a Pict would have worn an outfit
apparently inspired by the
No movie with Yul Brenner could be really awful. :o)
Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender
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I think that if they were so willing to get the costumes right, they would
have gotten the language right too...sorry, didn't get to see much of this
series, was too put off by the extreme use of VERY modern foul language!
Kelly
I can think of one program, or a series of programs, that may
It sounds like you have a great teaching approach, Penny. Though it's very
different, it reminds me of the way my favorite history professor, Mr.
Butler, gave tests. (Mind you, he didn't start being my favorite until the
day AFTER I was done with his classes!) On test day, we were to come
I have to admit that I was pretty surprised with the first/second shows and the
language, but fortunately it has toned down a bit. I've seen the first seven
now and actually, for the time and neighborhood, the language is pretty
acurate. Tough to get around sometimes, but I, for one, have
On Sunday 24 September 2006 5:18 am, Sharon L. Krossa wrote:
At 12:44 PM -0400 9/23/06, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote:
And King Arthur with Clive Owen, Keira Knightley in blue paint and
leather bra,
Beats me why they seemed to think she was a Pict. :-)
Beats me why they seemed to
On Saturday 23 September 2006 11:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Somehow they managed to make everything look as though it was made from
polyester even though the movie was made before the polyester
On Sunday 24 September 2006 1:35 am, Melody Watts wrote:
hmmm. what about The Vikings with Kirk Douglas,Tony (yonda lies da
castle of my Fadda) Curtis and Janet Leigh, all leather and fur and quasi
med-evil looking dresses,made of some gawd awful shiny fabric,and chiffon
headgear on Janet
I have wondered about the language. I don't know that foul words are
modern at all. Anyone else know?
Sylrog
On Sep 24, 2006, at 11:41 AM, kelly grant wrote:
I think that if they were so willing to get the costumes right, they
would have gotten the language right too...sorry, didn't get
I don't have an objection to foul language, it has it's place, it was the
word they were using I had a problem with...I highly doubt certian words
were used that frequently at that time!
I could be wrong, but I doubt my grandfather would have used some of those
words at any point in his life.
Well, as I said, I wondered about the frequency of it too. I doubt
your grandfather hung around in the same company as the guys on
Deadwood. Since we never (I don't think) see that word in writing
before the late twentieth century, how do we know how they really
talked? Do the writers have
Nor my grandfather :) (I NEVER heard either of them ever say a single swear
word, let alone the two 'popular' ones in this show), but you've got to
remember this town was founded by a lot of people who were NOT the quality of
folk who were raised in the best of surroundings and mostly
Mine, either (well, at least not the one I knew...I think that man was
*born* in a 3-piece suit!)
I haven't seen any of these Deadwood episodes, so I'm not exactly sure which
phrases y'all are trying to skate genteelly around, but it occurs to me that
maybe, in what seems to have been a concerted
The website that was posted gave us many answers...
Cunt - Use of cunt as term of abuse for a woman is a 20th century sense.
From Frederic Manning's 1929 The Middle Parts of Fortune:
'What's the cunt want to come down 'ere buggering
us about
At 22:56 24/09/2006, you wrote:
Except that the rest of the language is quite old fashioned. I like
that they went for that kind of realistic speech, and it seems a bit
anachronistic that they combine that with all the profanity, unless
people of that ilk really tended to use it that much
If you grandfather hated swearing, then he must have heard it from
others who did use it at that time.
On Sep 24, 2006, at 4:12 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote:
At 22:56 24/09/2006, you wrote:
Except that the rest of the language is quite old fashioned. I like
that they went for that kind of
Sooo true. Nice to be able to use that 'creative license' clause isn't it
:-)
Kelly Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The website that was posted gave us many answers...
Cunt - Use of cunt as term of abuse for a woman is a 20th century sense.
From Frederic Manning's 1929 The Middle Parts
Gack! Yes...
Kelly
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Sooo true. Nice to be able to use that 'creative license' clause isn't
it
I have friends who love Deadwood's costumes but watch it with the sound
OFF. They don't appreciate the language, either.
Susan
Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel
too fast and you miss all you are traveling for. - Ride the Dark
Trail by Louis L'Amour
On Sep
No movie with Yul Brenner could be really awful. :o)
Although The King and I is not
There is the story that Deborah Kerr complained to costumers about the
rediculous width of the crins she was having to wear until being shown how even
more rediculous some real crinolines of the period were,
Note that I haven't actually seen Deadwood, so I don't know
specifically how they are actually using language, so my comments
below about Deadwood really do mean those ifs...
At 1:35 PM -0600 9/24/06, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
Well, as I said, I wondered about the frequency of it too. I doubt
Somehow they managed to make everything look as though it was
Such an off-centre look may be thier way of indicating past times or another
era?
For instnace, I am presently preparing a very bright, vivid movie with some
1970s flashbacks. Clear instructions for the cinematographer for the
(For
those of you who were teenagers in the 90s,
NOW I feel old,
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At 7:05 PM -0300 9/24/06, Kelly Grant wrote:
But it's not really worth arguing over...producers of TV and movies
are going to do what they like with costume and language...bummer,
but true.
Who has been arguing over it? We can discuss what we want, regardless
of what tv and movie producers
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On Sunday 24 September 2006 1:35 am, Melody Watts wrote:
hmmm. what about
At 8:30 AM -0600 9/23/06, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
...
costumes from movies, and not just good examples but some really bad
ones. For instance, I happened to see on tv a bit of an old movie
from the 1950s a couple weeks ago called Princess of the Nile
which took place in the Middle East and the
At 2:06 PM -0400 9/24/06, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote:
On Sunday 24 September 2006 5:18 am, Sharon L. Krossa wrote:
Other, of course, then the general modern movie fashion for basing
historical film costuming on sf/fantasy costuming. (In my opinion, a
study of the development of
At 4:20 PM -0600 9/24/06, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
If you grandfather hated swearing, then he must have heard it from
others who did use it at that time.
Not necessarily -- he could have hated what he heard much more
modernly. Also, even if he did hear swearing when he was younger,
what he
In a message dated 9/24/2006 8:56:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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The Conqueror, with John Wayne? (
Said conqueror is Genghis Khan, right?
Ann Wass
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In a message dated 9/24/2006 9:03:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It isn't just summer popcorn historical movies that get a great
deal of their historical costuming ideas from sf/fantasy
films/programs.
Someone just mentioned Hollywood and History. It
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In a message dated 9/24/2006 8:56:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Conqueror, with John Wayne? (
Said conqueror is Genghis Khan, right?
Wasn't there one about The Vikings and Genghis Kahn?
susan
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I can see how that would be jarring to a person's sensibilities, but then, I
haven't seen any of the shows. I have had a similar experience with other
films, though! ;o)
--Sue
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On Sunday 24 September 2006 8:58 pm, Sharon L. Krossa wrote:
At 2:06 PM -0400 9/24/06, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote:
On Sunday 24 September 2006 5:18 am, Sharon L. Krossa wrote:
Other, of course, then the general modern movie fashion for basing
historical film costuming on sf/fantasy
on 9/24/06 9:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at
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**That Film Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered -- that is, the one with
Mel Gibson supposedly portraying William Wallace.
Oh, I thought you meant the one with what's-his-name from Dances with
Wolves about Robin Hood. That's the
At 09:19 PM 9/24/2006, you wrote:
on 9/24/06 9:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at
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**That Film Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered -- that is, the one with
Mel Gibson supposedly portraying William Wallace.
Oh, I thought you meant the one with what's-his-name from Dances with
oh yeah, they did some weird make-up on John Waynes eyes (It looks like they
stuck a rubberband across his eyelids) to make him look Mongolianwhat a
film! too funny now--very serious then...
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The Conqueror, with John Wayne? (
Said
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