Re: Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread Sheridan
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 2006/09/24 Sun PM 09:11:37 EST > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies > > > In a message dated 9/24/2006 8:56:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > The Conqueror, with John Wayne? ( > > >

Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies -----the Duke with a eye job

2006-09-24 Thread Melody Watts
oh yeah, they did some weird make-up on John Waynes eyes (It looks like they stuck a rubberband across his eyelids) to make him look Mongolianwhat a film! too funny now--very "serious then... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/24/2006 8:56:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EM

Re: [h-cost] Re: bad costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread Genie Barrett
At 09:19 PM 9/24/2006, you wrote: on 9/24/06 9:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > **That Film Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered -- that is, the one with > Mel Gibson supposedly portraying William Wallace. Oh, I thought you meant the one with what's-his-name from "Dances with

[h-cost] Re: bad costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread Gail & Scott Finke
on 9/24/06 9:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > **That Film Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered -- that is, the one with > Mel Gibson supposedly portraying William Wallace. Oh, I thought you meant the one with what's-his-name from "Dances with Wolves" about Robin Hood. That's the

Re: Fwd: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Sunday 24 September 2006 8:58 pm, Sharon L. Krossa wrote: > At 2:06 PM -0400 9/24/06, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > >On Sunday 24 September 2006 5:18 am, Sharon L. Krossa wrote: > > > Other, of course, then the general modern movie fashion for basing > > > historical film costuming on sf/

Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Sunday 24 September 2006 9:02 pm, Sharon L. Krossa wrote: [snip] > Interestingly, _Brigadoon_, for all its straight out of the 1950s > women's clothing, actually manages to get it's Scottish men's > clothing a lot more historically accurate than Mel "They really did > that" Gibson's flick, desp

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread Sue Clemenger
I can see how that would be jarring to a person's sensibilities, but then, I haven't seen any of the shows. I have had a similar experience with other films, though! ;o) --Sue - Original Message - From: "Sylvia Rognstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent

Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread Susan B. Farmer
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In a message dated 9/24/2006 8:56:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Conqueror, with John Wayne? ( Said "conqueror" is Genghis Khan, right? Wasn't there one about The Vikings and Genghis Kahn? susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread AnnBWass
In a message dated 9/24/2006 9:03:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It isn't just "summer popcorn" historical movies that get a great deal of their historical costuming ideas from sf/fantasy films/programs. Someone just mentioned "Hollywood and History." It consi

Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread AnnBWass
In a message dated 9/24/2006 8:56:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Conqueror, with John Wayne? ( Said "conqueror" is Genghis Khan, right? Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread Sharon L. Krossa
At 4:20 PM -0600 9/24/06, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: If you grandfather hated swearing, then he must have heard it from others who did use it at that time. Not necessarily -- he could have hated what he heard much more modernly. Also, even if he did hear swearing when he was younger, what he hear

Re: Fwd: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread Sharon L. Krossa
At 2:06 PM -0400 9/24/06, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: On Sunday 24 September 2006 5:18 am, Sharon L. Krossa wrote: > Other, of course, then the general modern movie fashion for basing > historical film costuming on sf/fantasy costuming. (In my opinion, a > study of the development of hist

Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread Sharon L. Krossa
At 8:30 AM -0600 9/23/06, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: ... costumes from movies, and not just good examples but some really bad ones. For instance, I happened to see on tv a bit of an old movie from the 1950s a couple weeks ago called "Princess of the Nile" which took place in the Middle East and the

Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread Dianne & Greg Stucki
- Original Message - From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies On Sunday 24 September 2006 1:35 am, Melody Watts wrote: hmmm. what

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread Sharon L. Krossa
At 7:05 PM -0300 9/24/06, Kelly Grant wrote: But it's not really worth arguing over...producers of TV and movies are going to do what they like with costume and language...bummer, but true. Who has been arguing over it? We can discuss what we want, regardless of what tv and movie producers do,

Re: [h-cost] Costumes/fashion history classes in college

2006-09-24 Thread stilskin
> (For > those of you who were teenagers in the 90s, NOW I feel old, -C. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.ind

Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread stilskin
> > Somehow they managed to make everything look as though it was Such an off-centre look may be thier way of indicating past times or another era? For instnace, I am presently preparing a very bright, vivid movie with some 1970s flashbacks. Clear instructions for the cinematographer for the

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread Sharon L. Krossa
Note that I haven't actually seen Deadwood, so I don't know specifically how they are actually using language, so my comments below about Deadwood really do mean those "if"s... At 1:35 PM -0600 9/24/06, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: Well, as I said, I wondered about the frequency of it too. I doubt

[h-cost] Bad historical costume movies (The Costume & I)

2006-09-24 Thread stilskin
> No movie with Yul Brenner could be "really awful". :o) > Although The King and I is not There is the story that Deborah Kerr complained to costumers about the rediculous width of the crins she was having to wear until being shown how even more rediculous some real crinolines of the period wer

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread Susan Data-Samtak
I have friends who love Deadwood's costumes but watch it with the sound OFF. They don't appreciate the language, either. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On S

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread Kelly Grant
Gack! Yes... Kelly From: Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Deadwood Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 15:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Sooo true. Nice to be able to use that 'creative license' clause isn't

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread Chris
Sooo true. Nice to be able to use that 'creative license' clause isn't it :-) Kelly Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The website that was posted gave us many answers... Cunt - "Use of cunt as term of abuse for a woman is a 20th century sense. >From Frederic Manning's 1929 The Middle Pa

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread Sylvia Rognstad
If you grandfather hated swearing, then he must have heard it from others who did use it at that time. On Sep 24, 2006, at 4:12 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: At 22:56 24/09/2006, you wrote: Except that the rest of the language is quite old fashioned. I like that they went for that kind of realistic

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 22:56 24/09/2006, you wrote: Except that the rest of the language is quite old fashioned. I like that they went for that kind of realistic speech, and it seems a bit anachronistic that they combine that with all the profanity, unless people of that ilk really tended to use it that much back

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread Kelly Grant
The website that was posted gave us many answers... Cunt - "Use of cunt as term of abuse for a woman is a 20th century sense. From Frederic Manning's 1929 The Middle Parts of Fortune: 'What's the cunt want to come down 'ere buggering us about

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread Sylvia Rognstad
Except that the rest of the language is quite old fashioned. I like that they went for that kind of realistic speech, and it seems a bit anachronistic that they combine that with all the profanity, unless people of that ilk really tended to use it that much back then. On Sep 24, 2006, at 3:55

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread Sue Clemenger
Mine, either (well, at least not the one I knew...I think that man was *born* in a 3-piece suit!) I haven't seen any of these Deadwood episodes, so I'm not exactly sure which phrases y'all are trying to skate genteelly around, but it occurs to me that maybe, in what seems to have been a concerted e

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread Chris
Nor my grandfather :) (I NEVER heard either of them ever say a single swear word, let alone the two 'popular' ones in this show), but you've got to remember this town was founded by a lot of people who were NOT the quality of folk who were raised in the best of surroundings and mostly uneducated

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread Sylvia Rognstad
Well, as I said, I wondered about the frequency of it too. I doubt your grandfather hung around in the same company as the guys on Deadwood. Since we never (I don't think) see that word in writing before the late twentieth century, how do we know how they really talked? Do the writers have

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread kelly grant
I don't have an objection to foul language, it has it's place, it was the word they were using I had a problem with...I highly doubt certian words were used that frequently at that time! I could be wrong, but I doubt my grandfather would have used some of those words at any point in his life.

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread Sylvia Rognstad
I have wondered about the language. I don't know that foul words are modern at all. Anyone else know? Sylrog On Sep 24, 2006, at 11:41 AM, kelly grant wrote: I think that if they were so willing to get the costumes right, they would have gotten the language right too...sorry, didn't get t

Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Sunday 24 September 2006 1:35 am, Melody Watts wrote: > hmmm. what about " The Vikings" with Kirk Douglas,Tony ("yonda lies da > castle of my Fadda") Curtis and Janet Leigh, all leather and fur and quasi > med-evil looking dresses,made of some gawd awful shiny fabric,and chiffon > headgear on J

Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Saturday 23 September 2006 11:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 9/23/2006 11:43:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Somehow they managed to make everything look as though it was made from > polyester even though the movie was made before the polyes

Re: Fwd: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Sunday 24 September 2006 5:18 am, Sharon L. Krossa wrote: > At 12:44 PM -0400 9/23/06, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > > And "King Arthur" with Clive Owen, Keira Knightley in blue paint and > > > leather bra, > > > >Beats me why they seemed to think she was a Pict. :-) > Beats me why t

Re: [h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread Chris
I have to admit that I was pretty surprised with the first/second shows and the language, but fortunately it has toned down a bit. I've seen the first seven now and actually, for the time and neighborhood, the language is pretty acurate. Tough to get around sometimes, but I, for one, have begun

Re: [h-cost] Costumes/fashion history classes in college

2006-09-24 Thread E House
It sounds like you have a great teaching approach, Penny. Though it's very different, it reminds me of the way my favorite history professor, Mr. Butler, gave tests. (Mind you, he didn't start being my favorite until the day AFTER I was done with his classes!) On test day, we were to come in,

[h-cost] Deadwood

2006-09-24 Thread kelly grant
I think that if they were so willing to get the costumes right, they would have gotten the language right too...sorry, didn't get to see much of this series, was too put off by the extreme use of VERY modern foul language! Kelly I can think of one program, or a series of programs, that may

Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread Lalah
No movie with Yul Brenner could be "really awful". :o) Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "Elizabeth Walpole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 09:3

Re: Fwd: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies

2006-09-24 Thread Sharon L. Krossa
At 12:44 PM -0400 9/23/06, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > And "King Arthur" with Clive Owen, Keira Knightley in blue paint and > leather bra, Beats me why they seemed to think she was a Pict. :-) Beats me why they seemed to think a Pict would have worn an outfit apparently inspired by

[h-cost] Costumes/fashion history classes in college

2006-09-24 Thread Penny
I have taken seven costume/fashion history classes in college. Two in the fashion dept., four in the theater costume design dept. and one in the home ec. ed. program. These classes were at three different colleges and during three decades, 70s, 80s, & 90s.. I wrote and drew my hand off in the