Re: [h-cost] 1450 - pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread Sue Clemenger
If I recall correctly, through the mists of time and cold medicine ;o), I remember you pointing out (at the workshop in Boise) that the different silhouettes we were coming up with during the fittings were appropriate to different decades/time periods. The one I got, which was a smoother, rounded,

Re: [h-cost] 1450 - pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Along those lines, there's a painting theme that might be useful to you in > > this discussion: the Visitation, or Mary meeting Elizabeth while both are > > pregnant. > > http://www.paintedchurch.org/salsbvis.htm > > Here is one without exce

Re: [h-cost] Re: Christmas gift exchange

2006-12-24 Thread Robin Netherton
Reading some of these marvelous descriptions of gift packages, I'm amazed that they fit in the prescribed $10-$15 range! I think some of our talented listmembers undervalued their abilities ;-) I'm so dull. Two years now I have sent fabric. But very nice, useful fabric. --Robin

[h-cost] Re: Christmas gift exchange

2006-12-24 Thread Pierre & Sandy Pettinger
We received our package from Susan Carroll-Clark a couple of weeks ago, and we couldn't wait to open it. A couple of lovely pieces of fabric, beads, two Chinese ornaments (one knotwork and one a painted plaque with tassels), and a pincushion of chinese men sitting around a pillow. All very ni

Re: [h-cost] Christmas gift exchange

2006-12-24 Thread Dawn
Robin Netherton wrote: What did everyone else get? Two lovely silk sachets made with vintage fabrics, a pair of cute fabric brooches, a bar of bath scent, and another tiny vial of scent. I think I'm going to end up keeping the cardboard box everything was mailed in, it smells so good!

Re: [h-cost] Christmas gift exchange

2006-12-24 Thread M311
Thanks Lalah I got mine a number of days ago. I got busy with all the holiday stuff and forgot to let you know I received it. Sorry. I got a book by JOhn Peacock---fashion sourcebooks titled the 1920's. It has 295 illustrations. It is lovely. Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mysensaria.com/

[h-cost] tudor era picture and..

2006-12-24 Thread otsisto
New picture, Claude of France http://tinyurl.com/ydrbmq scroll down Grandes Heures d'Anne de Bretagne selections http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/bilimoff/default.html sample of a good costume source http://tinyurl.com/yfxzzg ___ h-costume mailing

Re: [h-cost] Christmas gift exchange

2006-12-24 Thread Susan Carroll-Clark
Greetings-- Robin Netherton wrote: What did everyone else get? I literally waited until just now to open mine, since other than some family gifts tomorrow it will be my only "on Christmas" Christmas gift (due to an early shopping trip this year)-- And got some very cool things! Enclosed

[h-cost] Semi OT: Natalie Portman

2006-12-24 Thread A. Thurman
I third (fourth?) the agreement that Natalie Portman can act - IMHO Lucas wasted every good actor he got for the Star Wars prequels, and she was no exception. As for "The Other Boleyn Girl" - between this and the new Henry VIII thing HBO is putting out with John Rhys-Myers, I despair of anyone no

Re: [h-cost] Christmas gift exchange

2006-12-24 Thread Lavolta Press
I received a tatting shuttle and some thread, which was a good gift choice, since tatting was one of the things I've always meant to try but haven't gotten around to. Fran Robin Netherton wrote: And as long as we're now posting ... My exchange partner picked up on two of the things I mentio

Re: [h-cost] Christmas gift exchange

2006-12-24 Thread Lavolta Press
I received my h-costume gift and it's very nice. My recipient is overseas and I mailed her package at what I thought was a very early date, but the post office was somewhat dubious its receipt on time. Apparently the overseas mail rush starts much earlier then the domestic one. Fran Lavolta P

Re: [h-cost] Christmas gift exchange

2006-12-24 Thread Robin Netherton
And as long as we're now posting ... My exchange partner picked up on two of the things I mentioned that I collect, and sent me (1) a wonderful brochure from a National Gallery show on 15th c. Flemish art that I am missing (it's on till Feb. 4, 2007), and (2) a jigsaw puzzle of a page from the Li

Re: [h-cost] Christmas gift exchange

2006-12-24 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006, Lalah wrote: > I mailed mine on the 7th (the day before the deadline) and received > one last week. I tried to put that information on the list but got a > message from the list manager saying it was an inappropriate subject. > Since others are mentioning theirs now, mayb

Re: [h-cost] Christmas gift exchange

2006-12-24 Thread Lalah
I mailed mine on the 7th (the day before the deadline) and received one last week. I tried to put that information on the list but got a message from the list manager saying it was an inappropriate subject. Since others are mentioning theirs now, maybe this will go through this time. Lalah,

RE: [h-cost] Re: the other bolyn girl

2006-12-24 Thread Kimiko Small
Yes, thank you. I knew it looked familiar in the German styles. Its the fabric over the hand part that rang the bell, along with the front lacing over a placard. It makes me wonder why German styles, or Italian, but not French styles considering they both spent time in France. And I had no

Re: [h-cost] Christmas gift exchange

2006-12-24 Thread elena_o_tighearnaigh
Hhm.. What a funny thing to get! I wish I had received my H-Costume gift...I'm sure there's a good reason why I've not gotten it. I mailed the gift for my secret person on the 18th so hope it's been received, too! Everyone have a wonderful, safe and warm Holiday Season! Elena/Gia --

Re: [h-cost] Re: the other bolyn girl

2006-12-24 Thread Kimiko Small
Hello Chiara, I am slowly working on a site that includes many English Tudor or similar styles from other countries on a website, starting here: Tudor Women 1500s-1540s http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/TudorWomen/index.html It includes (or will include) sketches, paintings, brass r

Re: [h-cost] 1450 - pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread E House
- Original Message - From: "Robin Netherton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The shrine is well-reproduced in various books on Flemish painting; you can come over to my house and check out my collection if you like, as I have a near life-sized image of each panel in my museum catalog from the Mem

RE: [h-cost] Re: the other bolyn girl

2006-12-24 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 00:16 25/12/2006, you wrote: -Original Message- >Said to be Anne but looks more like Mary. >http://ntap.k12.ca.us/whs/projects/history/himages/wives2.jpg This portrait is at Hever Castle, Anne's family home, so I think it is probably authentic. Suzi De: There has been a debate as to

Re: [h-cost] Re: is she pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread Susan Carroll-Clark
Greetings-- Gail & Scott Finke wrote: would be good for the Mary Magdalene list to look at. It's a saint, the one always depicted with the tower she was thrown out of (Robin, who is that? I'm drawing a blank.). I'm not Robin.but that sounds like Barbara. Patron saint of artillery Su

RE: [h-cost] Re: the other bolyn girl

2006-12-24 Thread otsisto
-Original Message- >Said to be Anne but looks more like Mary. >http://ntap.k12.ca.us/whs/projects/history/himages/wives2.jpg This portrait is at Hever Castle, Anne's family home, so I think it is probably authentic. Suzi De: There has been a debate as to whether the portrait is that of A

[h-cost] Re: is she pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread Gail & Scott Finke
on 12/24/06 12:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The wonderful examples E House cited show what I mean about the painting of the Magdalene having a normal stomach. They all have it, and apparently at that time it was not considered attractive to have flat abs. This one in partic

[h-cost] Re: is she pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread Gail & Scott Finke
on 12/24/06 12:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On a Mary Magdalene list, we've been discussing paintings where she > looks pregnant. Of considerable discussion is this one: > > http://www.abcgallery.com/W/weyden/weyden37.html > > From what I remember of Robin's Gothic Fit

Re: [h-cost] 1450 - pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006, E House wrote: > > As Carol also notes, some of Elena's images are in fact of Mary Magdalen > > or other saints, and so can't be used to determine general usage outside > > of Magdalen (or saint) figures. > > Absolutely. I included them for two reasons: first, since the > p

Re: [h-cost] 1450 - pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread E House
- Original Message - From: "Robin Netherton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Some of the examples Elena showed appear to be fitted overgowns, not supportive undergowns that would be worn over a chemise and potentially under a more formal overdress. Yup! As Carol also notes, some of Elena's imag

Re: [h-cost] 1450 - pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread aquazoo
> Along those lines, there's a painting theme that might be useful to you in > this discussion: the Visitation, or Mary meeting Elizabeth while both are > pregnant. http://www.paintedchurch.org/salsbvis.htm Here is one without excess draping, but it's the hands on the stomachs that is the mo

Re: [h-cost] 1450 - pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > By the way, was there such thing as a maternity dress in either > this or the GFD era? Or did women loosen and adjust what they had? I haven't made a definitive search, but this is something I would have noticed if I had ever run across a refe

Re: [h-cost] 1450 - pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread E House
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Something I do see, however, is some gowns have something under the lacings, or another colored gown under the laced gown. You show some that are deliberatly widely spead as a style feature. But it fits with MM being shown in "undress."

Re: [h-cost] 1450 - pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Something I do see, however, is some gowns have something under > the lacings, or another colored gown under the laced gown. You show > some that are deliberatly widely spead as a style feature. But it > fits with MM being shown in "undress."

Re: [h-cost] 1450 - pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread aquazoo
> Digression: Often I find that people take points I make in my lectures -- > points that are pegged to specific times/places/classes/etc. -- and apply > them inappropriately to others, and attribute it all to me. There's > probably nothing I can do about that beyond keep repeating myself in > plac

Re: [h-cost] 1450 - pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread aquazoo
> The fit of the supportive gown/GFD in the mid & late 15thC is different > than in the 14thC & early 15thC. The busk effect of Robin's straight-front > GFD style is no longer necessary to get the right look; the popular silhouette > is one where the bust is very rounded, and sticks out rather th

Re: [h-cost] 1450 - pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread E House
- Original Message - From: "Suzi Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you for the wonderful images - unfortunately I cannot get this one http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1475-80%2520Valerius%2520Maximus.jpg to display, and all the others are so helpful, I want this one to look at too!! T

RE: [h-cost] Re: the other bolyn girl

2006-12-24 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 16:26 24/12/2006, you wrote: A portrait of Mary Boleyn http://history.wisc.edu/sommerville/361/boleyn_family.htm Said to be Anne but looks more like Mary. http://ntap.k12.ca.us/whs/projects/history/himages/wives2.jpg This portrait is at Hever Castle, Anne's family home, so I think it is pr

Re: [h-cost] Re: the other bolyn girl

2006-12-24 Thread Chiara Francesca
Thank you!!! This is something that I love ... being able to find portraits that are related to the period in which a movie takes place. It is so much easier to convince new comers to make the correct dress than the movie dress when you are armed with this kind of extremely valuable informatio

Re: [h-cost] 1450 - pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006, E House wrote: > The fit of the supportive gown/GFD in the mid & late 15thC is > different than in the 14thC & early 15thC. Yes indeed. I should note that the term "GFD" seems to be applied much more broadly these days than I ever intended when I began lecturing on the Goth

RE: [h-cost] Re: the other bolyn girl

2006-12-24 Thread otsisto
A portrait of Mary Boleyn http://history.wisc.edu/sommerville/361/boleyn_family.htm Said to be Anne but looks more like Mary. http://ntap.k12.ca.us/whs/projects/history/himages/wives2.jpg the movie dresses look to be a combination of dress styles, Simplicity's version of "Shakespeare in Love" pat

Re: [h-cost] Re: the other bolyn girl

2006-12-24 Thread Kimiko Small
Hi Chiara, I think we are unable to answer you, as we may not know which painting it is supposed to come from. I've been looking around to find something similar, and I know I haven't found it yet, and I've been focused all year on Tudor garments from this time frame. Although part of my m

Re: [h-cost] 1450 - pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 08:34 24/12/2006, you wrote: In the mid & late 15thC, supportive gowns often don't close up all the way. A few of the many examples: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/15thDress1.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp/memling38.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp/minidance.jpg http://www.formfun

Re: [h-cost] 1450 - pregnant?

2006-12-24 Thread E House
In the mid & late 15thC, supportive gowns often don't close up all the way. A few of the many examples: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/15thDress1.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp/memling38.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp/minidance.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp/valeriusmaximus.jp