[h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-06-26 Thread Julie
I'm trying to find a portrait of an Elizabethan or Italian lady wearing what we'd call a pillbox hat. There's one that's OK in QEWU of the Countess of Kildare but I know I've seen much better ones showing lots of beads pearls, and in color. Any leads? Julie in Ramona

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2009-06-26 Thread Cin
Y'all are the best! I'll dash down to the library Thanks so much Suzanne! Meanwhile, yes please Sharon, I'l love a copy of your handouts. Hopefully the styles arent too different between centuries. We do the meetup stuff off-list. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com From: Suzanne

Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-06-26 Thread Helen Pinto
There's a color picture of Elizabeth Fitzgerald, Countess of Kildare, here: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/FITZGERALD1.htm Go about 3/4 down the page for the thumbnail. It can be enlarged. -Helen/Aidan . ___ h-costume mailing list

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2009-06-26 Thread Helen Pinto
Oops. Make that the Countess of Lincoln; her mother's the Kildare. Anyway, the portrait is dated c 1575, by anonymous, and in the collection of the National Gallery of Ireland. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com

Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-06-26 Thread Sharon Collier
I think this picture, and others like it, are what makes people think that there is a padded roll style of headdress. It certainly looks like that to me, but you say it is a pillbox hat? -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf

Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-06-26 Thread Helen Pinto
The thing that struck me about this portrait is that it is the first one I've ever seen that didn't look like some kind of padded roll or twisted/braided arrangement. It has an edge and structure to it, which is even more obvious when you look at the black white photo I saw first, here:

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2009-06-26 Thread Melanie Schuessler
On Jun 26, 2009, at 6:23 PM, Helen Pinto wrote: The thing that struck me about this portrait is that it is the first one I've ever seen that didn't look like some kind of padded roll or twisted/braided arrangement. It has an edge and structure to it, Yes. See also:

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2009-06-26 Thread Susan Farmer
Quoting Melanie Schuessler mela...@faucet.net: On Jun 26, 2009, at 6:23 PM, Helen Pinto wrote: The thing that struck me about this portrait is that it is the first one I've ever seen that didn't look like some kind of padded roll or twisted/braided arrangement. It has an edge and

Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-06-26 Thread Melanie Schuessler
On Jun 26, 2009, at 7:02 PM, Susan Farmer wrote: Melanie, could you post the titles/artists of those paintings? We might be able to find some of them in our print resources! They are from Dress in the Age of Elizabeth I by Jane Ashelford. They're both from 1567 and are identified by

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2009-06-26 Thread otsisto
I think it is a hat that is angled so that it looks like a pillbox. http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/CountessKildare.jpg http://thepeerage.com/028841_001.jpg I will say that it looks like what some refer to as the Italian balzo. -Original Message- The thing that struck me about this

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2009-06-26 Thread otsisto
These are questionable but... Miniature of Elizabeth I, c. 1560-5. Attr. to Levina Teerlinc. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizteerlinc3.jpg Queen Elizabeth, c.1565. Artist Unknown. Private Collection. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizagold.jpg Queen Elizabeth I, c. 1565-1570. Artist

Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-06-26 Thread otsisto
Perhaps you could ask Lynn McMasters for her sources. http://lynnmcmasters.com/ Sixth row, first pattern. Click on it to site. Under Photo by Me there is a comment address. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com

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2009-06-26 Thread Pierre Sandy Pettinger
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Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-06-26 Thread Sharon Collier
People have told me these are a type of French hood, but the effigy photos I've looked at all cover the ears, which these don't seem to do. So, how are these constructed? Are they a roll, a brim set far back on the head. A couple have veils off the back, like a French hood, but seem to be rounded