RE: [h-cost] 1350 - detachable sleeves?

2007-03-18 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: I haven't been able to find anything in 14th c. art that shows a detachable sleeve. Or how one might be attached (pins?), presumably to an underdress, but maybe not. But there are references to sleeves as separate garments all over the place (in

RE: [h-cost] 1350 - detachable sleeves?

2007-03-18 Thread Zuzana Kraemerova
Or how one might be attached (pins?), presumably to an underdress, but maybe not. But there are references to sleeves as separate garments all over the place (in literature as tournament favors, listed as separate items in the Great Wardrobe, in the Datini correspondence in Italy, etc.

RE: [h-cost] 1350 - detachable sleeves?

2007-03-18 Thread Schaeffer, Astrida
Thanks, Robin... What about Stella Mary Newton's reference to the captive French king in 1360, (p. 58): The clothes consisted of a suit of three garments: cote, surcote, housee and hood, with two pairs of sleeves for the cote, all in violet cloth in grain; a dressing gown-- mantel a lever de

RE: [h-cost] 1350 - detachable sleeves?

2007-03-18 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: But anyway, these don't sound particularly special or embellished, though again, not seeing the original source I may simply not have enough info. Yep. The first set were in grain, meaning kyed with kermes (exhorbitantly expensive). But the

Re: [h-cost] 1350 - detachable sleeves?

2007-03-17 Thread Robin Netherton
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: When reading Medieval clothing, armour, and weapons I came across a mention that around the half of the 14th century in Bohemia, there were detachable sleeves. For ex. they were used under the elbow-length sleeves with a tippet. This makes me a