Hi all, am making this year's edition of the whole flemish dress, this
time I am making a Gored Kirtle
(http://www.elizabethancostume.net/kirtlepat/gored.html) and an
overdress (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/makeflem.html#gown).
In the past I had made both under and overdress out
In a message dated 3/2/2009 8:28:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
celticredhead2...@yahoo.com writes:
Someone told me that rabbit (and cat) are one of the few furs that sheds
Well my cat does shed, but I haven't killed it and skinned it.yet.
**A Good
I had a thought about this -- brain working overnight, you know -- and
wanted to add to the list of possibilities. Domestic rabbits are the source
of all nearly tanned pelts in the US. Showshoe hares are very different
from domestic rabbits - they are larger and they turn white in winter like
At 14:01 03/03/2009, you wrote:
I had a thought about this -- brain working overnight, you know --
and wanted to add to the list of possibilities. Domestic rabbits
are the source of all nearly tanned pelts in the US. Showshoe hares
are very different from domestic rabbits - they are larger
At 14:01 03/03/2009, you wrote:
I had a thought about this -- brain working overnight, you know --
and wanted to add to the list of possibilities. Domestic rabbits
are the source of all nearly tanned pelts in the US. Showshoe hares
are very different from domestic rabbits - they are larger
Someone told me that rabbit (and cat) are one of the few furs that sheds
and is a
terrible mess? Anyone have that experience?
Yes, rabbit sheds amazingly. However, it is a relatively cheap fur to
learn how to work with fur on - especially if you look for fur coats on
eBay or someplace like
Surely the best thing would be to check what fur was available at the
time of the portrait? And what was worn by people of the status of
the Arnolfinis. Sumptuary laws may be relevant here - I don't know if
they had them in Holland.
Of course -- but if your options are exactly historically
There are some surprising good faux furs out there as well. They look
great and they're durable as all heck. My fake fur cloaks have seen a lot
of hard wear and have been worn for decades, with decades left to go. The
only thing I've needed to replace in all those years in the lining.
Chances are
At 14:58 03/03/2009, you wrote:
Surely the best thing would be to check what fur was available at the
time of the portrait? And what was worn by people of the status of
the Arnolfinis. Sumptuary laws may be relevant here - I don't know if
they had them in Holland.
Of course -- but if your
One thing to look at also as a source is a second hand store or Salvation army
clothing area. I have found some old mink or beaver coats there that make great
costume additions. I have a beaver coat that looks just like mink. It's soft
and delicate but extremely sturdy! It doesn't shed much
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Patricia Dunham wrote:
As to the fur in the painting... I have no idea. Looks like a very pale tan
to me, not gray at all. Of course there's no telling what the original color
was, what with ... 4-500 yrs of varnish on top of it. If anyone can get
sufficient detail to
I think I sent my first edition of this email to a wrong email
address. I am sorry if this is a repeat for everyone though.
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:39 AM, J A Urbik jaur...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, am making this year's edition of the whole Flemish dress, this
time I am making a Gored Kirtle
Snowshoe hares are not legal game animals in Ohio - I'm not sure where else
this may be true. Check your local regulations.
Patty
Showshoe hares are very different
from domestic rabbits - they are larger and they turn white in winter like
the ermine. This may be a more historically accurate
I interlined my under dress down to about the hip level with sturdy canvas - I
also have done this with cotouil. I also interlined the outer gown bodice and
put pieces of sprung steel boning down the front edgesworked great!
http://www.saragrace.net/saragraceUS/2A_Cost_by_sg.htm
Date:
Someone gave me ten yards of 60 sheer wool. It has a herringbone
weave and it's very fine, if I hold it up to the light I can see
through it. It's bright turquoise, a color of which I'm not fond due
to growing up with my mother's over fondness for it, so I'll probably
dye it.
What
Sell it to a Civil War Reenactor to make an amazing sheer dress out of. I've
heard of original wool sheers but never seen a fabric that I could actually
make one out of.
Laura
If we continue to forget our past we will continue to repeat it over and over
and over...
From:
I looked up Jean Hunnisett because I remember her saying she had made the
Arnolfini dress. She includes the dress in Period Costume for Stage and
Screen: Medieval - 1500 but doesn't say what fur she used. You might be
interested in her comments, bearing in mind (as she always said) that her
On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Laura Chambers wrote:
Sell it to a Civil War Reenactor to make an amazing sheer dress out
of.
I thought of that, but weren't they usually light colors?
Margo
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In a message dated 3/3/2009 1:32:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cha...@hotmail.com writes:
Sell it to a Civil War Reenactor to make an amazing sheer dress out of. I've
heard of original wool sheers but never seen a fabric that I could actually
make one out of.
I was
I have this book and have looked at it for reference. I am fiddling right now
with the box pleat decorations...wish me luck! I wonder how many deep there
are. That sleeve looks wicked heavy and the wool I have, though fine, is heavy
already.
Sg
From: viv.watk...@virgin.net
To:
Here are some dress diaries that might help give ideas.
http://claresdressdiaries.blogspot.com/2007/08/flemish-dress-c-1570.html
http://juliesflemishdress.blogspot.com/
http://www.festiveattyre.com/gallery/flemish/flemish.html
late period
http://web.comhem.se/~u31138198/diary1.html
This was sent to me by a friend, and I thought you guys would
appreciate it as well. Not exactly historical (sorry!) but certainly
important and worth sharing.
::Linda::
Think of high fashion in about all time periods as suffering for one's
social class, whether the total ensemble is heavy(think of it as
weight-lifting), constricting(you can't eat, breathe, or hardly move, or
move in relative comfort in only a certain way), or revealing(better
have or create the
It'll be history some day! Its is very cool - what fun! Thanks for sharing!
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To: h-cost...@indra.com
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:28:35 -0500
Subject: [h-cost] Breast Cancer Awareness: Quilted Bras
This was sent to me by a friend, and I thought you guys would
Hmmm, I think what I have is a very fine twill wool suiting. I just washed a
four inch square and only got 7/8 shrinkage (only along the length). I am a
little worried that it won't be fuzzy enoughit looks so soft in the
picture. This, even when pinked maintains it's structure very
You can make a nice folded package and send it on to me..
I would LOVE to make a few Greco/Roman outfits out of it, or a lined fitted
kirtle dress, or a Polish style Russian Sarafan, or or or
I can dig through my stash and find something to trade - if you want?
Katheryne
who LOVES
Oh, I've looked at them. though thanks for pointing them out. i had
mostly decided (on this one dress) to not interline it (mostly for
heat issues) and was hoping someone else would say Oh, no, you
probably don't need to underline it... Drea, on her website, does
mention that there are
On Mar 3, 2009, at 8:39 AM, J A Urbik wrote:
What I would like advise about would be should I put an addition layer
of sturdy linen or something as an underlining on the bodice, or will
the just the wool be ok?
Hopefully the kirtle will be sturdy enough to hold you up, and the
overgown
I'm curious why you decided to line with wool as well as use wool for the
top fabric? Most of the extant garments I can think of (and, admittedly, my
memory on this is not spectacular!) are lined with linen.
I made an overgown of this sort a few years back, with the outside a
mid-to-lightweight
You didn't ask me, but since mine is also wool lined with wool, I'll
send my answer too. I had two great pieces of wool, and I wanted it
to be warm and reversible. I only wear it to cold-weather events
with the woolen partlet on top and woolen sleeves pinned on. With my
head covered and
Thanks, I can certainly see the usefulness of that construction! My outfits
are almost exclusively for high summer, where linen is a good thing - not
only from a heat standpoint, but also just a weight issue.
Rebecca Schmitt
aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence,
Were you not wanting to not line it for heat reasons or sewing reasons?
If you were wanting a cooler outfit you might try tropical weight wool and
line with linen for the outer piece and make the kirtle out of linen, only
lining the bodice.
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Off topic... but This is the first time I noticed your name is the same forward
as backwards. I like that. It's unique.
Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:01:20 -0600
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress
Were you not
the trimmed bellies of Norwegian grey squirrels
Sounds like a dish in a fancy restaurant,
-C.
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Someone told me that rabbit (and cat) are one of the few furs that sheds
I used rabbit(s) for a cape over my Arthurian cavalry armour many years back (I
figure they did not just kill dragons) and it is still in one piece, no
shedding. Tanning quality perhaps? I dunno but after 15 years I
I had several rabbit coats as my main winter coats during the years I was
living Michigan and Chicago and walking alot. Fur would keep out the wind like
nothing else but I couldn't afford anything better than rabbit. I never had a
shedding problem but rabbit does wear out faster than other
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