RE: [h-cost] 15rh century embroidery site
Which ones are your artwork? De -Original Message- http://medieval.webcon.net.au/period_15th_c.html It's a very nice extensive site ... a pity the site owner is still using some of my original art on it without attribution or permission after I directly asked for it to be removed. Heather ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] OT....another Christmas Carol
I would love to have copies if you still have them. Dickens Fair is coming fast. Sharon C. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruth Anne Baumgartner Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:10 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OTanother Christmas Carol My theater did a costumed (impressions only, ca. 1860--no budget!) reading of excerpts from SEVEN Dickens holiday things--Christmas Carol, The Chimes, two of the Sketches by Boz (Christmas Dinner and The New Year), Mr Pickwick's Good Humoured Christmas Chapter, and the description of Christmas preparations in Edwin Drood. We interspersed seasonal music from Dickens' time, including a melodramatic piece he wrote lyrics to called The Ivy Green. VERY good time was had by all, and many said it was a shame that the only Dickens usually mentioned at Christmas was CC. I had flirted with branching out to include Birds' Christmas Carol too--yes, a wonderful tear-jerker--and The Little Match Girl--but one can do only so much, and it was nice to keep the focus on Dickens anyway. I'd be happy to share my script and song list with anyone wanting to recreate a Victorian parlour and present these terrific pieces--hearing them read aloud demonstrates that Dickens wrote for that very possibility--they're very dramatic and lively in the mouth of a good actorseveral of the audience, not relatives, came up and HUGGED the cast members afterward! --Ruth Anne Baumgarter scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Sep 29, 2006, at 11:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of Christmas Carolsas a literary genre... Anyone ever read The Bird's Christmas Carol? I remember it being a real tear jerker from my childhood. It's from the 1890's I believe. Lemme look up the author Kate Douglas Wiggin Whoa! You can read the whole thing here: _http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2? id=WigBird.sgmimages=images/mod engdata=/texts/english/modeng/parsedtag=publicpart=teiHeader_ (http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2? id=WigBird.sgmimages=images/modengdata=/tex ts/english/modeng/parsedtag=publicpart=teiHeader) Very sentimental. Someone should dramatize and do itjust for a change. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT....another Christmas Carol
Yes please ! Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K., where I'm already desperate for something new to do at Christmas.) Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: (snip)I'd be happy to share my script and song list with anyone wanting to recreate a Victorian parlour and present these terrific pieces (snip) --Ruth Anne Baumgarter scholar gypsy and amateur costumer ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time.
Hi, Some years back, we had this topic up about wheather wheel farthingales was worn, or if they only used huge bumrolls. The reason why i fell apun this quote, is, that i rarely read in Norah Waughs Corsets and Crinolines, just use the patterns. Today i read a little, and found this quote! 1617 Else (mincing madams) why do we (alas!) Pine at your Pencill and conspiring Glasse? Your Curles, Purles, Perriwigs, your Whale bone wheels? That shelter all defects from head to heeles. Henry Fitz - Jeoffery, Satyres and Satyrical Epigrams. Whale bone wheels.. How about that? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time.
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Some years back, we had this topic up about wheather wheel farthingales was worn, or if they only used huge bumrolls. For those who came in late, some of the conversation is preserved on my webpage, here: http://www.netherton.net/robin (Every time this topic comes up, people ask for these posts, so I put them all in in one place.) And later conversations can be found by looking in the h-cost archives. The reason why i fell apun this quote, is, that i rarely read in Norah Waughs Corsets and Crinolines, just use the patterns. Today i read a little, and found this quote! 1617 Else (mincing madams) why do we (alas!) Pine at your Pencill and conspiring Glasse? Your Curles, Purles, Perriwigs, your Whale bone wheels? That shelter all defects from head to heeles. Henry Fitz - Jeoffery, Satyres and Satyrical Epigrams. Whale bone wheels.. How about that? That's indeed one of the small handful of citations Verna and I collected when we did our original research on this topic (which I do intend to get into print in the next few years, now that I have a place to publish it, but I have another paper to do first). It also has the distinction of being the first reference to a wheel that we could find, and the only one that dates from the period in which the style was worn. (The next one, from a play, is from 1664, and makes passing reference to the long-outdated fashion of wheel vardingales.) Given that it's a satirical poem, using metaphor and picturesque language, I think we have to consider that the use of the word wheel could quite easily have been a logical reference to the visual effect of the style, as perceived by the viewer, rather than its construction. The term does not seem to be used in tailor's bills, inventories, or other documents written by who made, bought, or wore the garment -- those have large numbers of references to rolls, but never wheels that I've seen. (I will confess that I am relying on other people's research into such documents for these references; I haven't done the inventory-crawling myself. I do have a standing order for such references with various friends who have their heads in these documents, in case they spot any.) I suspect also this reference, or possibly the 1664 one, may be the source for English-speaking costume historians of the 18th and 19th centuries calling this a wheel farthingale -- so we have to be careful about circular logic. That is, if Strutt in 1792 said this is called a wheel because of two mentions in literature, and thus costume historians have since then assumed it was *built* in the form of a wheel, we don't want to now say that the same citations (the source of the term) prove the assumptions people have created based on that term. Of more interest is the reference to whalebone. We know that whalebone was used in corsets at this point. There are some inventory references to whalebone being bought and used for farthingales, too, from at least the 1590s and later. However, it does appear that whalebone was also used in the construction of rolls. Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe accounts describe rolls made of such fabric as damask, buckram, taffeta, and holland cloth, stuffed with cotton wool, and supported with whalebone, bent, or wire. (For citations regarding materials used in farthingales, see Arnold, _QEWU_, p. 196-198, and the Cunningtons' _Handbook of English Costume in the Sixteenth Century_, p. 161). A 1588 essay by Montaigne, as translated into English by John Florio in 1603, also mentions stuffing in combination with stiffening, referring to stiffe bumbasted verdugals (bombasted meaning stuffed, so these were clearly rolls). (Montaigne is also quoted in Waugh, page 28.) None of the references specify just how those supports/stiffeners were used. They may have been used inside the roll to help hold its form, or they may have been placed on the surface. Verna and I found that boning around the outer channel of the roll was useful but not necessary; we didn't try boning on the inner edge (that is, against the waist) or as an interior support. It may be that the need for interior boning would become more obvious with constant wearing of a farthingale, something we have not done; I can imagine that a farthingale with a circular bone around the edge would hold its shape better over time. So we aren't sure about how the stiffening material is used in the rolls. What is clear, though, is that whalebone was used at least sometimes in rolls. The rolls are particularly well-documented as being referred to as farthingales in this period. Wheels is not a term that appears in these contexts, just in occasional male writer's poetic descriptions (and only one of those so far found from the period of the style). So, we didn't want to rest a case for a boned wheel construction on that one reference. Always happy to hear more evidence, though. We did try for a very long time to
RE: [h-cost] OT....another Christmas Carol
Yes, I would be interested as well. Thanks. KP Sharon at Collierfam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would love to have copies if you still have them. Dickens Fair is coming fast. Sharon C. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruth Anne Baumgartner Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:10 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OTanother Christmas Carol My theater did a costumed (impressions only, ca. 1860--no budget!) reading of excerpts from SEVEN Dickens holiday things--Christmas Carol, The Chimes, two of the Sketches by Boz (Christmas Dinner and The New Year), Mr Pickwick's Good Humoured Christmas Chapter, and the description of Christmas preparations in Edwin Drood. We interspersed seasonal music from Dickens' time, including a melodramatic piece he wrote lyrics to called The Ivy Green. VERY good time was had by all, and many said it was a shame that the only Dickens usually mentioned at Christmas was CC. I had flirted with branching out to include Birds' Christmas Carol too--yes, a wonderful tear-jerker--and The Little Match Girl--but one can do only so much, and it was nice to keep the focus on Dickens anyway. I'd be happy to share my script and song list with anyone wanting to recreate a Victorian parlour and present these terrific pieces--hearing them read aloud demonstrates that Dickens wrote for that very possibility--they're very dramatic and lively in the mouth of a good actorseveral of the audience, not relatives, came up and HUGGED the cast members afterward! --Ruth Anne Baumgarter scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Sep 29, 2006, at 11:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of Christmas Carolsas a literary genre... Anyone ever read The Bird's Christmas Carol? I remember it being a real tear jerker from my childhood. It's from the 1890's I believe. Lemme look up the author Kate Douglas Wiggin Whoa! You can read the whole thing here: _http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2? id=WigBird.sgmimages=images/mod engdata=/texts/english/modeng/parsedtag=publicpart=teiHeader_ (http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2? id=WigBird.sgmimages=images/modengdata=/tex ts/english/modeng/parsedtag=publicpart=teiHeader) Very sentimental. Someone should dramatize and do itjust for a change. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1ยข/min. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] need suggestions for campy 18th century costumes
Greetings, all. I am helping with a fundraiser for the March of Dimes. It's a silent auction/live auction/dancing/socializing event, and the theme is Let Them Eat Cake, in the style of Marie Antoinette. Instead of catered dinner, the food will be desserts. So we are trying to play up the frothy, festive, over-the-top attitude. I need to dress about 6 actors in the style, but I want to make the costumes less cumbersome, and hopefully easier to do than real 18C. Please and thank you: I need ideas from all you guys - any suggestions are welcome! Anyhoo - I'm thinking of having my women wear fishnets and dance trunks, and constructing some sort of pannier/skirt to tie around the waist. What movie am I thinking of (or play?) that had panniers made of some king of sparkly tubing, worn without an overskirt? Aaaargh. And how can I make some easy corsets in the same style? I've got $5 long blonde wigs from WalMart which i can build into the extreme style I want, using tulle to add volume. But please put on your thinking caps for the rest of the garb. (I need suggestions for men's garb as well.) TIA from a grateful fellow garbwhore. Allison P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time.
Thank you Bjarne! I hadn't noticed that one! Kelly - Original Message - From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time. Hi, Some years back, we had this topic up about wheather wheel farthingales was worn, or if they only used huge bumrolls. The reason why i fell apun this quote, is, that i rarely read in Norah Waughs Corsets and Crinolines, just use the patterns. Today i read a little, and found this quote! 1617 Else (mincing madams) why do we (alas!) Pine at your Pencill and conspiring Glasse? Your Curles, Purles, Perriwigs, your Whale bone wheels? That shelter all defects from head to heeles. Henry Fitz - Jeoffery, Satyres and Satyrical Epigrams. Whale bone wheels.. How about that? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time.
Robin, How did you build your roll/wheel in the end? I was liking the idea of a wheel farthingale, but can't seem to get the right look yet. I have a wheel supported by a large roll, but the outer edge collapses. Kelly - Original Message - From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time. On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Some years back, we had this topic up about wheather wheel farthingales was worn, or if they only used huge bumrolls. For those who came in late, some of the conversation is preserved on my webpage, here: http://www.netherton.net/robin (Every time this topic comes up, people ask for these posts, so I put them all in in one place.) And later conversations can be found by looking in the h-cost archives. The reason why i fell apun this quote, is, that i rarely read in Norah Waughs Corsets and Crinolines, just use the patterns. Today i read a little, and found this quote! 1617 Else (mincing madams) why do we (alas!) Pine at your Pencill and conspiring Glasse? Your Curles, Purles, Perriwigs, your Whale bone wheels? That shelter all defects from head to heeles. Henry Fitz - Jeoffery, Satyres and Satyrical Epigrams. Whale bone wheels.. How about that? That's indeed one of the small handful of citations Verna and I collected when we did our original research on this topic (which I do intend to get into print in the next few years, now that I have a place to publish it, but I have another paper to do first). It also has the distinction of being the first reference to a wheel that we could find, and the only one that dates from the period in which the style was worn. (The next one, from a play, is from 1664, and makes passing reference to the long-outdated fashion of wheel vardingales.) Given that it's a satirical poem, using metaphor and picturesque language, I think we have to consider that the use of the word wheel could quite easily have been a logical reference to the visual effect of the style, as perceived by the viewer, rather than its construction. The term does not seem to be used in tailor's bills, inventories, or other documents written by who made, bought, or wore the garment -- those have large numbers of references to rolls, but never wheels that I've seen. (I will confess that I am relying on other people's research into such documents for these references; I haven't done the inventory-crawling myself. I do have a standing order for such references with various friends who have their heads in these documents, in case they spot any.) I suspect also this reference, or possibly the 1664 one, may be the source for English-speaking costume historians of the 18th and 19th centuries calling this a wheel farthingale -- so we have to be careful about circular logic. That is, if Strutt in 1792 said this is called a wheel because of two mentions in literature, and thus costume historians have since then assumed it was *built* in the form of a wheel, we don't want to now say that the same citations (the source of the term) prove the assumptions people have created based on that term. Of more interest is the reference to whalebone. We know that whalebone was used in corsets at this point. There are some inventory references to whalebone being bought and used for farthingales, too, from at least the 1590s and later. However, it does appear that whalebone was also used in the construction of rolls. Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe accounts describe rolls made of such fabric as damask, buckram, taffeta, and holland cloth, stuffed with cotton wool, and supported with whalebone, bent, or wire. (For citations regarding materials used in farthingales, see Arnold, _QEWU_, p. 196-198, and the Cunningtons' _Handbook of English Costume in the Sixteenth Century_, p. 161). A 1588 essay by Montaigne, as translated into English by John Florio in 1603, also mentions stuffing in combination with stiffening, referring to stiffe bumbasted verdugals (bombasted meaning stuffed, so these were clearly rolls). (Montaigne is also quoted in Waugh, page 28.) None of the references specify just how those supports/stiffeners were used. They may have been used inside the roll to help hold its form, or they may have been placed on the surface. Verna and I found that boning around the outer channel of the roll was useful but not necessary; we didn't try boning on the inner edge (that is, against the waist) or as an interior support. It may be that the need for interior boning would become more obvious with constant wearing of a farthingale, something we have not done; I can imagine that a farthingale with a circular bone around the edge would hold its shape better over time. So we aren't sure about how the stiffening material is used in the rolls. What is clear, though, is that whalebone was used at least sometimes in rolls. The
Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time.
Hi Robin, Yes you are right. I just thoaght it was obvious, that the support used for these styles, could very well have ben a wheel of whalebone at the top. Thats what i associated it to. But it could also be translated to farthingales was made of wheels of whalebone, cone shaped, but also drum shaped. The term wheel of whalebone, could be both a coneshaped farthingale, and a drum shaped farthingale. Just my two cents. But i wished there was more evidens somewhere. In Denmark i have read old describtions, in german, (courtpeople spoke german in Denmark) and the word is utstopfte magen wich can be translated to stuffed stomachers, this could maybe be a refference to a piececot belly, and has nothing to do with a farthingale, its very strange. The spanish word vertugale is used in Denmark. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time. On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Some years back, we had this topic up about wheather wheel farthingales was worn, or if they only used huge bumrolls. For those who came in late, some of the conversation is preserved on my webpage, here: http://www.netherton.net/robin (Every time this topic comes up, people ask for these posts, so I put them all in in one place.) And later conversations can be found by looking in the h-cost archives. The reason why i fell apun this quote, is, that i rarely read in Norah Waughs Corsets and Crinolines, just use the patterns. Today i read a little, and found this quote! 1617 Else (mincing madams) why do we (alas!) Pine at your Pencill and conspiring Glasse? Your Curles, Purles, Perriwigs, your Whale bone wheels? That shelter all defects from head to heeles. Henry Fitz - Jeoffery, Satyres and Satyrical Epigrams. Whale bone wheels.. How about that? That's indeed one of the small handful of citations Verna and I collected when we did our original research on this topic (which I do intend to get into print in the next few years, now that I have a place to publish it, but I have another paper to do first). It also has the distinction of being the first reference to a wheel that we could find, and the only one that dates from the period in which the style was worn. (The next one, from a play, is from 1664, and makes passing reference to the long-outdated fashion of wheel vardingales.) Given that it's a satirical poem, using metaphor and picturesque language, I think we have to consider that the use of the word wheel could quite easily have been a logical reference to the visual effect of the style, as perceived by the viewer, rather than its construction. The term does not seem to be used in tailor's bills, inventories, or other documents written by who made, bought, or wore the garment -- those have large numbers of references to rolls, but never wheels that I've seen. (I will confess that I am relying on other people's research into such documents for these references; I haven't done the inventory-crawling myself. I do have a standing order for such references with various friends who have their heads in these documents, in case they spot any.) I suspect also this reference, or possibly the 1664 one, may be the source for English-speaking costume historians of the 18th and 19th centuries calling this a wheel farthingale -- so we have to be careful about circular logic. That is, if Strutt in 1792 said this is called a wheel because of two mentions in literature, and thus costume historians have since then assumed it was *built* in the form of a wheel, we don't want to now say that the same citations (the source of the term) prove the assumptions people have created based on that term. Of more interest is the reference to whalebone. We know that whalebone was used in corsets at this point. There are some inventory references to whalebone being bought and used for farthingales, too, from at least the 1590s and later. However, it does appear that whalebone was also used in the construction of rolls. Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe accounts describe rolls made of such fabric as damask, buckram, taffeta, and holland cloth, stuffed with cotton wool, and supported with whalebone, bent, or wire. (For citations regarding materials used in farthingales, see Arnold, _QEWU_, p. 196-198, and the Cunningtons' _Handbook of English Costume in the Sixteenth Century_, p. 161). A 1588 essay by Montaigne, as translated into English by John Florio in 1603, also mentions stuffing in combination with stiffening, referring to stiffe bumbasted verdugals (bombasted meaning stuffed, so these were clearly rolls). (Montaigne is also quoted in Waugh, page 28.) None of the references specify just how those supports/stiffeners were used. They may have been used inside the roll to help hold its form, or they may have been placed on the surface. Verna
Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time.
On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: The term wheel of whalebone, could be both a coneshaped farthingale, and a drum shaped farthingale. Hmm, I hadn't even thought about the cone-shaped (Spanish) farthingales. How late were the cone-shaped farthingales worn? I had the impression they were disappearing in England by the 1580s or so. England tends to lag behind France, and France had the roll first, but I don't have any idea about the rest of Europe. Of course the authors in this case were English anyway. In Denmark i have read old describtions, in german, (courtpeople spoke german in Denmark) and the word is utstopfte magen wich can be translated to stuffed stomachers, this could maybe be a refference to a piececot belly, and has nothing to do with a farthingale, its very strange. The spanish word vertugale is used in Denmark. I have absolutely no German, so if you do find something on this line, I'd love to know! Drea probably would be interested, too, and she's done a lot of work with German Renaissance documents. I'll pass this on to her. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Drea Leeds site
Hi all, Does anyone know where Drea Leeds most excellent site went? Every one of the pages I had bookmarked from her site is giving me a 404 error and I'm not getting a site when I try googling for the main site. Help? Cassandra __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Drea Leeds site
http://www.elizabethancostume.net/ and links off from there Sarah Paterson - Original Message - Hi all, Does anyone know where Drea Leeds most excellent site went? Every one of the pages I had bookmarked from her site is giving me a 404 error and I'm not getting a site when I try googling for the main site. Help? Cassandra __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Drea Leeds site
Cascio Michael wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know where Drea Leeds most excellent site went? Every one of the pages I had bookmarked from her site is giving me a 404 error and I'm not getting a site when I try googling for the main site. Help? http://www.elizabethancostume.net/ -- Adele de Maisieres - Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus - ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 15rh century embroidery site
On Sep 30, 2006, at 11:36 PM, otsisto wrote: -Original Message- http://medieval.webcon.net.au/period_15th_c.html It's a very nice extensive site ... a pity the site owner is still using some of my original art on it without attribution or permission after I directly asked for it to be removed. Heather Which ones are your artwork? De The line drawings of the motifs on the Mammen page (10th c. Denmark). Heather ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Drea Leeds site
http://www.elizabethancostume.net/ Cascio Michael wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know where Drea Leeds most excellent site went? Every one of the pages I had bookmarked from her site is giving me a 404 error and I'm not getting a site when I try googling for the main site. Help? Cassandra ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] need suggestions for campy 18th century costumes
Put them in skirts, but instead of panniers, make fake panniers using half rounds of material. If you put the straight part of the half circle on the selvage, you don't even have to hem. Gather the round edge and if that is too flat, pouf with nylon net, just like you're planning with the wigs. That way, your actors can move easily around crowded tables. Are you making the decorations on the wigs look like pastries and petit fours? For the men, stick them in women's' crop pants. You can probably get them at a thrift store. Since this is fro charity, is there a local tuxedo store that will let you borrow colored jackets? You could whip stitch or even pin on fancy trim and big cuffs. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allison Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 1:32 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] need suggestions for campy 18th century costumes Greetings, all. I am helping with a fundraiser for the March of Dimes. It's a silent auction/live auction/dancing/socializing event, and the theme is Let Them Eat Cake, in the style of Marie Antoinette. Instead of catered dinner, the food will be desserts. So we are trying to play up the frothy, festive, over-the-top attitude. I need to dress about 6 actors in the style, but I want to make the costumes less cumbersome, and hopefully easier to do than real 18C. Please and thank you: I need ideas from all you guys - any suggestions are welcome! Anyhoo - I'm thinking of having my women wear fishnets and dance trunks, and constructing some sort of pannier/skirt to tie around the waist. What movie am I thinking of (or play?) that had panniers made of some king of sparkly tubing, worn without an overskirt? Aaaargh. And how can I make some easy corsets in the same style? I've got $5 long blonde wigs from WalMart which i can build into the extreme style I want, using tulle to add volume. But please put on your thinking caps for the rest of the garb. (I need suggestions for men's garb as well.) TIA from a grateful fellow garbwhore. Allison P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time.
- Original Message - 1617 Else (mincing madams) why do we (alas!) Pine at your Pencill and conspiring Glasse? Your Curles, Purles, Perriwigs, your Whale bone wheels? That shelter all defects from head to heeles. Henry Fitz - Jeoffery, Satyres and Satyrical Epigrams. The 'head to heeles' part does suggest a farthingale to me, I must say, but as others have suggested, the farthingale seems like it would be, at the least, less than fashionable in 1617 Given the nature of the book, it's perfectly possible that the verse being quoted is not originally from 1617, though. After a quick look to see when a periwig would have been worn, I was surprised to find the word's origin in the 1520s, and less surprised that wigs were popular during Elizabeth's reign. And to be unintentionally coarse, wouldn't a farthingale collapsed on the floor look like a wheel? On the other side of the argument, though, what about that drawing seen in Waugh's CC, of the dancers wearing wheels around their waist? Or would you say those are for dancers only? -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time.
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, kelly grant wrote: How did you build your roll/wheel in the end? I was liking the idea of a wheel farthingale, but can't seem to get the right look yet. I have a wheel supported by a large roll, but the outer edge collapses. No wheel, just a roll. See more detailed discussion at the link I cited earlier, where I've saved a bunch of posts I wrote about this some years ago: http://www.netherton.net/robin Find the link for posts on the wheel farthingale. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time.
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, E House wrote: The 'head to heeles' part does suggest a farthingale to me, I must say, but as others have suggested, the farthingale seems like it would be, at the least, less than fashionable in 1617 The Spanish farthingale would have been long out of style. The French farthingale, which created the wheel-like visual effect, would be just starting to become passe at court, and it was still worn by lesser-born women into the 1620s. On the other side of the argument, though, what about that drawing seen in Waugh's CC, of the dancers wearing wheels around their waist? Or would you say those are for dancers only? Whether they're wheels, exactly, is up for discussion, as is how they are made (they might be bones in casings, or they might be a series of connected small rolls, or a quilted pad, or lord knows what else). But what is certain is that this is stage costume. For men. Doing a dance performance. In a parody on the theme of deception. In 1625, by which point the fashion was laughably out of date at court and possibly cause for derision in and of itself. Given that this puts us four or five times removed from reality, and given the lack of any corroborating evidence whatsoever, I am not so optimistic as Waugh to assume that these are realistic representations of what real women were wearing in court in the early 1600s. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
