Re: [h-cost] How to dye a sweater
Yeah, what she said. Thanks Denise, I knew I was forgetting something important. Kimiko --- Land of Oz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The key to even dying is movement. The method > outlined by Kimiko is good up > to the point where she recommends leaving the > sweater in the dye bath > overnight. This may result in darker spots wherever > any available dye > settles on the sweater. The best (most accurate) > dye-bath has no available > dye left at the end -- the dye pot contains what > looks like clear or very > slightly tinted water. Then you know you've used up > all the available dye > and rinsing is a much easier task. Then you just > let the dye bath come to > room temperature and rinse. > > Denise > Iowa Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] How to dye a sweater
At 04:54 PM 5/22/2007, you wrote: Believe it or not Kool-aide works as a dye on wool. I saw it at the New York State fair a long time ago. Thre colors are bright! I am sure that using a mordent would make it more colorfast. That is all I know. Maybe someone here knows more. Monica I've used Kool-Aid to dye wool. You do not need to add anything to it; I use 2 packages of unsweetened Kool-Aid to 1-1/2 ounces of wool. I would suggest the cold water dye recommended earlier. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] How to dye a sweater
Believe it or not Kool-aide works as a dye on wool. I saw it at the New York State fair a long time ago. Thre colors are bright! I am sure that using a mordent would make it more colorfast. That is all I know. Maybe someone here knows more. kool-aide is an acid dye and doesn't need a mordant, on top of the fact that there isn't any mordant that can make kool-aide colorfast. Also, your dyed goods will smell like the drink mix for a long time! If you use any type of food coloring (drink mixes, easter egg dye, baking colors, etc) you will be sorry. They are not color fast. The key to even dying is movement. The method outlined by Kimiko is good up to the point where she recommends leaving the sweater in the dye bath overnight. This may result in darker spots wherever any available dye settles on the sweater. The best (most accurate) dye-bath has no available dye left at the end -- the dye pot contains what looks like clear or very slightly tinted water. Then you know you've used up all the available dye and rinsing is a much easier task. Then you just let the dye bath come to room temperature and rinse. Denise Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] How to dye a sweater
Believe it or not Kool-aide works as a dye on wool. I saw it at the New York State fair a long time ago. Thre colors are bright! I am sure that using a mordent would make it more colorfast. That is all I know. Maybe someone here knows more. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] How to dye a sweater Any advice on how to dye an ivory colored, modern, machine knitted 100% wool turtleneck sweater some less boring but solid color, without felting it or otherwise damaging the texture? The heat and agitation in most dye instructions, even those for wool, makes me very antsy. I'm not really into dyeing or working with wool, but I got this sweater for Christmas years ago, have never worn it because it's boring, and have decided I might as well dye it. If it works, I have a nice-quality ivory 1950s cashmere cardigan I'd like to do next. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats
It was clear. I was just hoping for a reference for a stiffened buckram. It seems likely that there was such a thing, but I haven't yet come across a reference that would certainly establish it. Queen Mary's Wardrobe accounts, I'm not sure it that is the book I listed (privy purse accounts for her as a princess and maybe later) or if there was a seperate book of just her wardrobe. I'm going to be looking through the privy purse accounts. past buckram is definitely mentioned, I wonder if there are any more.. I was wrong too! It's not for a farthingale, I think I remembered that because I thought it would be most odd to have a farthingale stiffened with glue) it's for a collar of a loose gown "..the collar lined with past buckram" 1558 Some of the texts I mentioned last time spelt paste as past too. I think all of them actually;) Paste board was made of paper, so that's a different thing. True but: when they are used for a similar item they may have similar properties, though I can see buckram (if it is stiffened) having an edge when it comes to curved shapes. The texts didn't specify paste, so perhaps the context was enough to diferenciate buckram from glued buckram, or the buckram bought was later glued, or the buckram was used unglued. Oh and of course I agree we cannot presume that our modern use of words matches up to what was used in the past and that the same word meant the same thing at all times in the past. I'd like to know what the link is between the use of the terms. Is it just and English term as well? I would like to do some hunting in texts of other lands. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] How to dye a sweater
Hi Fran, I have dyed wool yarns before, handspun stuff, with both chemical and natural dyes, and helped with one wool jacket, so I can offer a little advice. But others may have much better advice than I. While it does take hot water to dye the garment, it is the agitation, and the shock of hot, or even cold water that will felt wool. First start with a newly cleaned sweater, that can be done in cool water, let me amend that, water that is room temperature, and well rinsed, with minimal movement. Then take the wet sweater and put it into a very large pot, preferably all steel or enameled, that is large enough for the sweater and the water needed to cover with room for stirring. Add cool water, that should match the temp of the sweater. Again this is to avoid the shock to the wool. Put the pot on the stove, then slowly bring the water to high enough temp to dye with (this depends on the dye you use, check directions for temp needed). Using a stir stick (that you can toss, since it will get dyed, unless it is steel or glass or something like that), move the sweater out of the way, and add in your dyes, and any other chemicals needed, per the dye directions. Stir the sweater gently but frequently so that the dye disperses throughout the pot, as you don't want streaks. Continue to stir the length of time needed for the dye, which also depends on how deep a color you want. Once you get a color deeper than you want, since wet color is darker than when the garment is dry, remove the pot from the heat. Allow the wool to remain in the pot for several hours or overnight, as the temp naturally falls. When the water is again room temp, carefully dump the remaining dye down the drain (again check your dye for disposal needs). Fill the pot with room temp water, and rinse several times until the water runs clear. Now, there's no guarantee that this will not shrink the wool, as that's a matter of the kind of wool that was used, if it was already preshrunk, if it was tightly finished, or chemically finished, or anything else for that matter. I've had some yarns not shrink at all, and some yarns shrink a lot. The jacket I helped with did shrink, but that was the chance my friend took. Good luck! Kimiko --- Lavolta Press <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any advice on how to dye an ivory colored, modern, > machine knitted 100% > wool turtleneck sweater some less boring but solid > color, without > felting it or otherwise damaging the texture? The > heat and agitation in > most dye instructions, even those for wool, makes me > very antsy. I'm > not really into dyeing or working with wool, but I > got this sweater for > Christmas years ago, have never worn it because it's > boring, and have > decided I might as well dye it. If it works, I have > a nice-quality > ivory 1950s cashmere cardigan I'd like to do next. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] How to dye a sweater
Fran-- You can dye wool with Procion MX cold water dyes. You won't need heat, just enough agitation to make sure it dyes evenly . Kim Get them from www.dharmatrading.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] How to dye a sweater Any advice on how to dye an ivory colored, modern, machine knitted 100% wool turtleneck sweater some less boring but solid color, without felting it or otherwise damaging the texture? The heat and agitation in most dye instructions, even those for wool, makes me very antsy. I'm not really into dyeing or working with wool, but I got this sweater for Christmas years ago, have never worn it because it's boring, and have decided I might as well dye it. If it works, I have a nice-quality ivory 1950s cashmere cardigan I'd like to do next. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] How to dye a sweater
Any advice on how to dye an ivory colored, modern, machine knitted 100% wool turtleneck sweater some less boring but solid color, without felting it or otherwise damaging the texture? The heat and agitation in most dye instructions, even those for wool, makes me very antsy. I'm not really into dyeing or working with wool, but I got this sweater for Christmas years ago, have never worn it because it's boring, and have decided I might as well dye it. If it works, I have a nice-quality ivory 1950s cashmere cardigan I'd like to do next. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats/buckram
Hi folks, Isnt it strange but i cant find a danish word for Buckram, i have even asked reenactors, and nobody knows. Most annoying!!! Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats
On May 21, 2007, at 7:53 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: John's paper covered the 15th c. His research on the wool economy is very impressive -- he was John Munro's student and spends a lot of time in primary documents -- and I am inclined to trust his work. However, I don't remember this particular mention in his paper, as it was 20 minutes of very dense detail. It caught my ear, as we had talked about buckram before, and I asked him for a copy of the paper, which he very kindly sent me. That said, another paper I'm editing now includes references from the Henry VIII inventory that mention quilts lined with "bockerame," and in discussions with the author we determined that the word clearly went through a number of meanings over several hundred years, given the uses in which it occurs. In the 16th c. it appears to have moved from being a fine fabric to a coarser or heavier one, and may have encompassed both those meanings simultaneously at some point. Most sources we found on 16th c. fabrics suggested it was linen or maybe cotton or maybe both. That doesn't mean the term wasn't used to mean a wool fabric in the 15th! So I think the only safe interpretation of a given reference would have to be closely focused in locale and time period. Yes, I must agree. Linthicum lists a reference to buckram being cotton as early as 1295. (In that context--from the eastern travels of Marco Polo--it probably was what we would call cotton, though sometimes the word cotton was used to refer to a woolen fabric in late medieval western Europe.) She also has a shirt of buckram from 1537, probably linen, and buckram hose for a man in 1522, possibly wool. I guess my point in mentioning Oldland's reference was cautionary-- that this word had different meanings and shouldn't be assumed as one thing or another. I should have said that at the time. Melanie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats
On May 21, 2007, at 6:47 PM, michaela de bruce wrote: I wrote that it appears to have been specified when it was stiffened with glue as opposed to not, not that it was always a stiffened material. Sorry if that was a little unclear. It was clear. I was just hoping for a reference for a stiffened buckram. It seems likely that there was such a thing, but I haven't yet come across a reference that would certainly establish it. http://books.google.com/books?id=W0elW6Yvji0C&pg=PA84&dq=past+buckeram http://books.google.com/books?id=ItsuMAAJ&pg=PR106&dq=Queen+Mary +wardrobe I'm having a hunt through these two, paste board is mentioned in the Revels books as well as fine black buckram. Paste board was made of paper, so that's a different thing. A lot of the buckram mentioned in the revels is bought in pieces too Buckram seems to have been used frequently for theatrical purposes. Henslowe's diary lists several costumes for his theatre made of buckram: iij fares gowne of buckrome (from “The Enventary of the Clownes Sewtes and Hermetes Sewtes, with dievers other sewtes, as followeth, 1598, the 10 of March.”) Layed owt for the companye the 9 of novmb3 1602 to by ij calleco sewtes & ij buckerom sewte for the playe of cryssmas comes but once a yeare the some of xxxviijs 8d Lent vnto wm kempe the 22 of aguste 1602 to bye buckram to macke a payer of gyente hosse the some of vs Lent vnto the company the 1 of septmb3 1601 to bye blacke buckrome to macke a sewte for a fyer drack in the 3 pt of thome strowde the some of iij s vj d He also lists several pawned items as having arrived in buckram bags. Oh one more: http://books.google.com/books?id=3X4Iybgb0BEC&pg=PA192&dq=bokeram Bokeram; Buckram a description of making it is in MS Sloan 73, f. 214 So that might be worthwhile looking up as well. I did a google search for it but couldn't find anything leading directly to it but it is probably in the British Library. That sounds very interesting! Furnivall seems to have published part of it as the "Book of Quinte Essence," but it doesn't contain the relevant bit. Melanie___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th Century Hats
On May 21, 2007, at 2:58 PM, E House wrote: Melanie, do you have any idea how the felt was stiffened? I have a big bag full of wool dryer lint I've been meaning to experiment with, and an even bigger bag of teeny tiny wool scraps... Arnold doesn't say, and I'm afraid I have no idea--sorry. Melanie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
