[h-cost] Pfaff vs Husqvarna
They are one and the same company. That is why the program Creative and 4D looks so much alike!!! They are! LOL Pfaff currently has the largest hoop; however there is a new machine on the horizon and Husqvarna is coming out with in June, so we have to see what that is!! My Designer is only 2 years old this April 24th, so perhaps if it is way awesome, I shall trade in. Who knows? Cilean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches
Message: 8 Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:40:51 -0700 From: Cynthia J Ley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Hi all! Got a question I was hoping you good folks could help me with. How did Italian Ren women carry their pouches if not in hand? Did they wear a belt of some sort? Carry it under the gown, accessible through a dress slit? Any advice greatly appreciated! :-) much thanks, Arlys, clueless in An Tir My pet theory is that noblewomen didn't wear pouches at all, not the way we seem to want to in the SCA. They didn't do their own shopping for the most part, and they didn't go anywhere without people to carry stuff for them, so why would they need them? They didn't have spare change/car keys/mobile phones etc that they needed to keep close to their persons. Similarly, if you were of a class where you might be going to the markets etc you'd probably have a basket with you, so you could just put your purse in that. There are very few instances where women are depicted wearing purses or pouches (they're a bit more common on men), apart from the 13th century, where we're usually told that this are almonieres (or some variant spelling), used for dispensing alms. This is not very handy, of course, if you do want somewhere to carry your car keys around. In which case I'm also rather fond of the 'worn under the gown, accessible through a pocket slit' approach. There is a certain amount of evidence for this, although not really Italian Renn. evidence. Claire/Angharad ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches
Thanks! That is exactly what I needed! :-) Arlys On Sat, 3 May 2008 13:59:13 -0500 otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you are talking about 1500s the you might look for pocket pouches. http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/images/PHS/floral_pocket.jpg To my understanding these were wore under their skirts. It is believed that the skirts had a slit in them for easy access or in some cases where the pocket is between the under skirt and the over skirt, the over skirt would be hiked up for access. Though here http://katerina.purplefiles.net/garb/diaries/Kat%27s%20Soccaccia.html they seem to be on the outside. Late 1400s there are some paintings that show that the pouch is worn under the over garb and access was as with the pocket. 1. Take with grain o' salt as I have not thoroughly researched this. 2. Please note that this is not a SCA list and some here might not know what SCA is. :) 3. Have you asked on the Italian Ren yahoo groups list? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Italian_Renaissance_Costuming/ De -Original Message- Hi all! Got a question I was hoping you good folks could help me with. How did Italian Ren women carry their pouches if not in hand? Did they wear a belt of some sort? Carry it under the gown, accessible through a dress slit? Any advice greatly appreciated! :-) much thanks, Arlys, clueless in An Tir ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wire frame
At 19:17 04/05/2008, you wrote: Found this wire frame for a French gable while looking for something else. http://www.museumoflondonprints.com/image.php?id=59551idx=10fromsearch=tru e http://tinyurl.com/4p6n9d De This is the frame I measured and copied for the Gable headdress I made for Museum of London's new Medieval Gallery. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches
Not a bad theory but it does have a wee bit o' problem with it. Though I am sure that the probability of most noble women in the Italian States had the merchant come to them (early rendition of the home shopping network. :) ), probably from time to time they went out to shop. For the big expenditures they would probably have had to have their sponse or head of household send the money and make the final sale or if they were the head (widow, courtesan, lady of the evening, etc..)they would make arrangements. Even so, I believe that they would have to carry some money for emergencies, on the spot small transactions therefore they would need a pouch of a sorts. As for putting a pouch in a basket...wellthat is asking for it to be stolen. From paintings it would appear that people liked to keep their money close and a basket is not close enough. :) They may not have carried cell phones and the modern stuff normally carried in a purse but there were probably small items carried. This statement is mostly based on the early 1500s German multi-pocket purse. Most times when I have heard someone say that a woman is wearing an alms pouch in the picture (even if it does not look like an alms pouch) it is based on what they have been told that women do not wear pouches Perhaps there are few paintings with women wearing pouches is that it is probably under thier skirts. IMO, I have seen enough Italian paintings from the Renaissance that gives me the impression that the pouch under at least the out garment was a common practice, even for the noble woman. Again, I have not done any strong research in this area so it is more conjecture then hard fact. De aka in SCA: Delis Alms (Calontir)(Friese) or (alt)Fiordelisia Dragano da Parma (N. Italia) (alt)Arian verch Gwydion (Wales) (alt) Sandrine D'Avalon (Burgundy) (alt) Audaelfr Almsveig (Norse) -Original Message- My pet theory is that noblewomen didn't wear pouches at all, not the way we seem to want to in the SCA. They didn't do their own shopping for the most part, and they didn't go anywhere without people to carry stuff for them, so why would they need them? They didn't have spare change/car keys/mobile phones etc that they needed to keep close to their persons. Similarly, if you were of a class where you might be going to the markets etc you'd probably have a basket with you, so you could just put your purse in that. There are very few instances where women are depicted wearing purses or pouches (they're a bit more common on men), apart from the 13th century, where we're usually told that this are almonieres (or some variant spelling), used for dispensing alms. This is not very handy, of course, if you do want somewhere to carry your car keys around. In which case I'm also rather fond of the 'worn under the gown, accessible through a pocket slit' approach. There is a certain amount of evidence for this, although not really Italian Renn. evidence. Claire/Angharad _ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pfaff vs Husqvarna
I joined the Viking Designer SE group on Yahoo and some people there, as well as on h-costume, gave me a lot of info. The new TOL (top-of-the-line) Viking machine coming out in June is widely rumored to have the same large embroidery field as the latest TOL Pfaff, which if true would make the Viking the machine of choice for me. People are also saying that new Viking models always have a variety of software and sometimes hardware bugs that need to be worked out. For the software bugs and some new features, you download software fixes yourself. For the hardware bugs, you have to take the machine back to your dealer. San Francisco itself seems to have a shortage of Viking dealers. People have recommended a good dealer in Sunnyvale, and another one in Marin County. Those are places I can get to but not conveniently enough to want to do it a lot, plus there is the time issue of dealing with the upgrades/fixes. I can do it, but I have a computer to keep updated as it is. Anyway, people are saying that unless you are burning to have the new model right away, it is wise to wait awhile, anywhere from 4 1/2 months to a year. The time recommended seems to depend on your level of optimism, the machine, and what you hear about its problems from early adopters. When buying computer software and hardware my philosophy has always been to wait for a fairly stable version. So I think I will wait maybe six months, depending on what I hear about any problems with the new model. Many people say it is handy to have two machines, one set up for embroidery and one for sewing, and also to sew on one machine while the other embroiders. So I think I will keep my old Viking as long as it continues to work well. I have not found in the past that trade-ins really take that much off the price of the new machine. There is, BTW, a surprising number of people who not only love the TOL Vikings but own two identical ones at once, which they keep upgrading to the latest and greatest, and a TOL serger in addition. I suppose if you did a large amount of machine embroidery it might make sense to have two machines embroidering away. My husband and I have been planning to buy a larger house for a couple of years at least, a project that keeps getting derailed by the fact that he's been working 60 hours a week for years. However, although I already have a sewing room all across the back of the house, it's not large enough to put another machine in, considering the stacks of books all over the floor. So one thing I will get is a larger sewing room. Both my parents died fairly recently and I have to decide if, among other things, I want to take my mother's antique treadle cabinet as part of my share of the estate. I already have an antique treadle cabinet with the fold-out panel that my parents bought me years ago. I took the machine out and had the cabinet fixed up as a solid tabletop and put my Viking on top of it. My father fixed up my mother's cabinet the same way, for her to put her machine on. I love these cabinets and the fold-out panels but, are the machines with the big embroidery fields too large to fit on the surface, especially if I want the fold-out to be available to support long skirts while I am sewing on them? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com snip Pfaff currently has the largest hoop; however there is a new machine on the horizon and Husqvarna is coming out with in June, so we have to see what that is!! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wire frame
At 20:16 04/05/2008, you wrote: At 11:33 AM 5/4/2008, you wrote: At 19:17 04/05/2008, you wrote: Found this wire frame for a French gable while looking for something else. http://www.museumoflondonprints.com/image.php?id=59551idx=10fro msearch=tru e http://tinyurl.com/4p6n9d De This is the frame I measured and copied for the Gable headdress I made for Museum of London's new Medieval Gallery. Suzi Are you able to share the dimensions of the frame and the approximate gauge of the wire? I saw that the MOL page did not include any measurements. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will have to look up my notes - I did not measure the gauge of the wire - I used some wire I had in stock as no-one would ever see the underneath, and it had to be extremely solid as it was a handling piece. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pfaff vs Husqvarna
Lavolta Press wrote: San Francisco itself seems to have a shortage of Viking dealers. People have recommended a good dealer in Sunnyvale, and another one in Marin County. Those are places I can get to but not conveniently enough to want to do it a lot, plus there is the time issue of dealing with the upgrades/fixes. I can do it, but I have a computer to keep updated as it is. If you're going to have to leave the city and are considering shops in the South Bay, I'm partial to Viking Sewing Center (Lincoln Avenue in Willow Glen/San Jose and East Estate in Cupertino http://www.sewviking.com/). We just ran all of our machines through service there. Their technician is just superb, he even got my '54 Elna Supermatic back up to snuff (it's a first-year Supermatic and has some design flaws solved in later versions). andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wire frame
I use the heaviest gauge of millinery wire for mine. I am talking about the sort of headdress you see in Holbein's Wife of an English Burgher. There is a photo somewhere in one of my books of a frame (I think it was for a collar support) wrapped with fine thread. It makes sewing the fabric to it much easier! Sg I cannot find my original notes, but have the file I wrote when making the headdress - would that be of use? I do remember the legs were not the same length, and neither were the two bits that went to the point. In other words it was very crooked, and there was no way of knowing if that was the original bend, or if someone had mended it. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt
http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg What in the world is going on with that child's skirt? Did the artist decide after the fact that the skirt should be split, with a forepart? Would trim really have been applied diagonally and interrupted? Emma ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt
I find it hard to believe that they would have applied trim like that. My best guess is that the skirt is too big for the child and the front openings were folded back on themselves, but why they would do that for a formal portrait is beyond me. Who knows, there's probably some terribly important symbology in it. It also looks like the child is wearing a linen smock with a band of blackwork embroidery, no forepart or petticoats, which I haven't seen before. Margo On May 4, 2008, at 6:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg What in the world is going on with that child's skirt? Did the artist decide after the fact that the skirt should be split, with a forepart? Would trim really have been applied diagonally and interrupted? Somewhere, I seem to remember a discussion about this painting, and one of the suggestions/comments was that that wasn't *trim* but it was like chains/strings hanging from the waist. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt
- Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg What in the world is going on with that child's skirt? Did the artist decide after the fact that the skirt should be split, with a forepart? Would trim really have been applied diagonally and interrupted? I think it's an optical illusion. What at first looked to me like an opening in the skirt, I now believe to be a blackworked handkercheif/small towel pinned to the waist. Bella The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.net Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt
On Sunday 04 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg What in the world is going on with that child's skirt? Did the artist decide after the fact that the skirt should be split, with a forepart? Would trim really have been applied diagonally and interrupted? I don't think there is any difference with the trim at all; I think that half of her skirt is partly obscured by a black blanket that covers most of the second half of her skirt. -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] You affect the world by what you browse.-- Tim Berners-Lee ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt
On May 4, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Bella wrote: I think it's an optical illusion. What at first looked to me like an opening in the skirt, I now believe to be a blackworked handkercheif/small towel pinned to the waist. D'oh! I see it now. :) Margo ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Sale on Dress in Anglo-Saxon England
In case anyone's interested, David Brown Book Company (Oxbow Books, in the UK) is selling the 2d edition of Gale Owen-Crocker's Dress in Anglo-Saxon England for USD $24.98; http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/3280 -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] You affect the world by what you browse.-- Tim Berners-Lee ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
