[h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
I'm trying to find a portrait of an Elizabethan or Italian lady wearing what we'd call a pillbox hat. There's one that's OK in QEWU of the Countess of Kildare but I know I've seen much better ones showing lots of beads pearls, and in color. Any leads? Julie in Ramona ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ribbon cockade for a tricorn hat
Y'all are the best! I'll dash down to the library Thanks so much Suzanne! Meanwhile, yes please Sharon, I'l love a copy of your handouts. Hopefully the styles arent too different between centuries. We do the meetup stuff off-list. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com From: Suzanne sovag...@cybermesa.com Cin, there was a brief article about Ribbonwork ornaments in issue #74 of Threads magazine (Dec 97/Jan 98) that showed how to fold a cockade, pinwheel, etc. You should be able to find back issues of Threads *some*where [we all hoard things...], or ask your library to request a photocopy of the article on Interlibrary Loan. And--let us know if the instructions worked! Suzanne From: Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.com Cin, did you find the info you need? I have some info from Dickens, but it is pages and pages. I can get it to you if you still need it. Sharon C. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
There's a color picture of Elizabeth Fitzgerald, Countess of Kildare, here: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/FITZGERALD1.htm Go about 3/4 down the page for the thumbnail. It can be enlarged. -Helen/Aidan . ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
Oops. Make that the Countess of Lincoln; her mother's the Kildare. Anyway, the portrait is dated c 1575, by anonymous, and in the collection of the National Gallery of Ireland. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
I think this picture, and others like it, are what makes people think that there is a padded roll style of headdress. It certainly looks like that to me, but you say it is a pillbox hat? -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Helen Pinto Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 12:44 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought There's a color picture of Elizabeth Fitzgerald, Countess of Kildare, here: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/FITZGERALD1.htm Go about 3/4 down the page for the thumbnail. It can be enlarged. -Helen/Aidan . ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
The thing that struck me about this portrait is that it is the first one I've ever seen that didn't look like some kind of padded roll or twisted/braided arrangement. It has an edge and structure to it, which is even more obvious when you look at the black white photo I saw first, here: http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/Various_4.htm Go straight to the bottom of the page; she's third up. The original request was for color, so I posted the other link. Anyway, take a look and see what you think. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
On Jun 26, 2009, at 6:23 PM, Helen Pinto wrote: The thing that struck me about this portrait is that it is the first one I've ever seen that didn't look like some kind of padded roll or twisted/braided arrangement. It has an edge and structure to it, Yes. See also: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/ Elizabeth_I_Steven_Van_Der_Meulen_detail.jpg [full painting at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/ Elizabeth_I_Steven_Van_Der_Meulen.jpg] and http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizavandermeulen1.jpg I have a couple of others that I will send privately, as I can't find them online. Melanie Schuessler ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
Quoting Melanie Schuessler mela...@faucet.net: On Jun 26, 2009, at 6:23 PM, Helen Pinto wrote: The thing that struck me about this portrait is that it is the first one I've ever seen that didn't look like some kind of padded roll or twisted/braided arrangement. It has an edge and structure to it, Yes. See also: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Elizabeth_I_Steven_Van_Der_Meulen_detail.jpg [full painting at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Elizabeth_I_Steven_Van_Der_Meulen.jpg] and http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizavandermeulen1.jpg I have a couple of others that I will send privately, as I can't find them online. Melanie, could you post the titles/artists of those paintings? We might be able to find some of them in our print resources! Thanks, Susan/jerusha - Susan Farmer sfar...@goldsword.com Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
On Jun 26, 2009, at 7:02 PM, Susan Farmer wrote: Melanie, could you post the titles/artists of those paintings? We might be able to find some of them in our print resources! They are from Dress in the Age of Elizabeth I by Jane Ashelford. They're both from 1567 and are identified by Ashelford as being Mary (?) and Elizabeth (?) Boleyn by Steven van der Meulen. I found this one as well: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Claude_of_Valois1.jpg Melanie Schuessler ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
I think it is a hat that is angled so that it looks like a pillbox. http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/CountessKildare.jpg http://thepeerage.com/028841_001.jpg I will say that it looks like what some refer to as the Italian balzo. -Original Message- The thing that struck me about this portrait is that it is the first one I've ever seen that didn't look like some kind of padded roll or twisted/braided arrangement. It has an edge and structure to it, which is even more obvious when you look at the black white photo I saw first, here: http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/Various_4.htm Go straight to the bottom of the page; she's third up. The original request was for color, so I posted the other link. Anyway, take a look and see what you think. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
These are questionable but... Miniature of Elizabeth I, c. 1560-5. Attr. to Levina Teerlinc. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizteerlinc3.jpg Queen Elizabeth, c.1565. Artist Unknown. Private Collection. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizagold.jpg Queen Elizabeth I, c. 1565-1570. Artist Unknown. Collection of the Duke of Beaufort http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/eliza1570.jpg Queen Elizabeth I, c. 1565-1570. Previously attr. to Hans Eworth http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizaeworth.jpg Queen Elizabeth I, c. 1572 Miniature by Nicholas Hilliard. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizahilliard.jpg Queen Elizabeth, c.1575-1578. Attr. to Nicholas Hilliard. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizanglesey.jpg Queen Elizabeth Receiving Dutch Ambassadors, 1570-1575. Artist Unknown. Neue Galerie, Kassel, Germany. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizadutch.jpg The Darnley Portrait, c. 1575. Attr. to Federico Zuccaro. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/eliza3b.jpg The Red Sieve Portrait, 1579. Attr. to George Gower. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizaredsieve.jpg The Sieve Portrait, c. 1580-1583. Attr. to Cornelius Ketel. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizasieve.jpg Some of these can also be interpreted as cauls. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
Perhaps you could ask Lynn McMasters for her sources. http://lynnmcmasters.com/ Sixth row, first pattern. Click on it to site. Under Photo by Me there is a comment address. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Threads top 10 weirdest dresses
At 10:50 PM 6/24/2009, you wrote: Sandy forgot to note that the contestant titled their entry I Have No Mouse and I Must Scream Pierre At the 1999 North American SF convention in LA, the guest of honor was Harlan Ellison. Included in the membership packet was a mousepad with a changeable image of I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. Someone created a costume on the spot out of the mousepads (several) and entered it in the Masquerade. It did win an award. Harlan really liked it, also. Sandy At 09:41 PM 6/24/2009, you wrote: At UGA one year, we received a box of art supplies. The packing material was sheets of Bush's Baked Beans, uncut label sheets. One student got an idea.. to use them for a costume/garment we had to make. She cut one large sheet into an apron, a chef hat, oven mitt and placemats from others. It was a really cute getup. She covered them with clear plastic like for table cloths and stitched the edges. The apron and hat were usable but the mitt wasn't for hot stuff. The teacher kept the set. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: cc2010m...@cs.com Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:30:50 -0400 To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Threads top 10 weirdest dresses Reminds me of an entry at Costume-Con 25 in St. Louis that was made entirely from USPS packing materials. Henry W. Osier Chairman, Costume-Con 28 May 7 to May 10, 2010 www.CC28.org Questions? Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group! Those Who Fail to Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly - Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C. Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
People have told me these are a type of French hood, but the effigy photos I've looked at all cover the ears, which these don't seem to do. So, how are these constructed? Are they a roll, a brim set far back on the head. A couple have veils off the back, like a French hood, but seem to be rounded more than a pillbox hat would suggest. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:30 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought These are questionable but... Miniature of Elizabeth I, c. 1560-5. Attr. to Levina Teerlinc. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizteerlinc3.jpg Queen Elizabeth, c.1565. Artist Unknown. Private Collection. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizagold.jpg Queen Elizabeth I, c. 1565-1570. Artist Unknown. Collection of the Duke of Beaufort http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/eliza1570.jpg Queen Elizabeth I, c. 1565-1570. Previously attr. to Hans Eworth http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizaeworth.jpg Queen Elizabeth I, c. 1572 Miniature by Nicholas Hilliard. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizahilliard.jpg Queen Elizabeth, c.1575-1578. Attr. to Nicholas Hilliard. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizanglesey.jpg Queen Elizabeth Receiving Dutch Ambassadors, 1570-1575. Artist Unknown. Neue Galerie, Kassel, Germany. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizadutch.jpg The Darnley Portrait, c. 1575. Attr. to Federico Zuccaro. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/eliza3b.jpg The Red Sieve Portrait, 1579. Attr. to George Gower. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizaredsieve.jpg The Sieve Portrait, c. 1580-1583. Attr. to Cornelius Ketel. http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/elizasieve.jpg Some of these can also be interpreted as cauls. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
