Re: [h-cost] Need help identifying furs
I have some Russian sable and some of your fur looks just like it (the darker, reddish one). Hope that helps. Anne -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Michelle Plumb Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:31 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Need help identifying furs Hello, all. I was given two fur pieces (to be worn around the neck, I assume), and would like some help identifying them and to find out approximately what they're worth. I don't personally wear fur, but it seems a shame to waste them if someone could use them for a costume. I put pictures of them in my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/24767...@n06/sets/72157625297457400/ Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Michelle ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help identifying furs
I'd also say marten/sable for the dark one and the lighter one looks like fox. Here is a web site with a lot of photos of various fur bearing animals http://www.chichesterinc.com/category2.htm Denise ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] For anyone who's already created a historically inspired party dress
Or who can do it fast: You could win a new Bernina. Details at: http://www.burdastyle.com/blog/announcing-the-bernina-party-through-the-decades-international-competition?utm_source=BurdaStyle+Mainutm_campaign=ee2c71c9a4-Nov_1st_Bernina_Dedicated_10_28_2010utm_medium=email Fran Lavolta Press Two new books of 1880s patterns! www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] For anyone who's already created a historically inspired party dress
Thank you Fran for letting us know. I've recently finished my ball dress so I'm going to give this a shot. I just have to figure out how to deal with the inspiration image, as that one is too small for their contest and I have no larger version. Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Be the change you want to see in the world. ~ Ghandi The Tudor Lady's Wardrobe pattern http://www.margospatterns.com/ Or who can do it fast: You could win a new Bernina. Details at: http://www.burdastyle.com/blog/announcing-the-bernina-party-through-the-decades-international-competition?utm_source=BurdaStyle+Mainutm_campaign=ee2c71c9a4-Nov_1st_Bernina_Dedicated_10_28_2010utm_medium=email Fran Lavolta Press ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help identifying furs
maybe mink but sable and mink are pretty much the same thing. The white could be what some old heraldry called ermine. Mink/Sable/Ermine all go through color changes due to winter. Dark in the spring, the white for cold snowy times. Either way, I'd say these are the same family of furred critters. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: ladya...@cox.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:32:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help identifying furs I have some Russian sable and some of your fur looks just like it (the darker, reddish one). Hope that helps. Anne -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Michelle Plumb Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:31 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Need help identifying furs Hello, all. I was given two fur pieces (to be worn around the neck, I assume), and would like some help identifying them and to find out approximately what they're worth. I don't personally wear fur, but it seems a shame to waste them if someone could use them for a costume. I put pictures of them in my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/24767...@n06/sets/72157625297457400/ Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Michelle ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help identifying furs
[I teach a class in the SCA on the historical use of furs, so I have a reasonable collection of what I call my fondling furs and that's what I'm comparing to Michelle's photos.] Ermines are very small, and their fur is fairly short and fine. They don't really have guard hairs and underfur the way the larger weasels do, and the hairs on the second fur are way too long plus the darker hairs are guard hairs, so it can't be ermine. It's either one of the larger weasels (sable, pine marten, beech marten, american marten, fisher, ranched mink) or it's a fox. The sable that I have is lighter in color than the marten--the marten I have looks *exactly* the same as Michelle's darker brown furs. The texture of the second fur really looks like fox, and if what Michelle has is two pelts end-to-end, then it's too big to be anything *but* fox. In any case, I have a great deal of fur envy and Michelle should probably talk to a furrier to get an idea of what they really are and how much they're worth. Jen On Wed, 3 Nov 2010, Becky Rautine wrote: maybe mink but sable and mink are pretty much the same thing. The white could be what some old heraldry called ermine. Mink/Sable/Ermine all go through color changes due to winter. Dark in the spring, the white for cold snowy times. Either way, I'd say these are the same family of furred critters. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: ladya...@cox.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:32:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help identifying furs I have some Russian sable and some of your fur looks just like it (the darker, reddish one). Hope that helps. Anne -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Michelle Plumb Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:31 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Need help identifying furs Hello, all. I was given two fur pieces (to be worn around the neck, I assume), and would like some help identifying them and to find out approximately what they're worth. I don't personally wear fur, but it seems a shame to waste them if someone could use them for a costume. I put pictures of them in my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/24767...@n06/sets/72157625297457400/ Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Michelle ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] For anyone who's already created a historically inspired party dress
My guess is, since this is Burda, they want historically inspired modern rather than authentic historic. Though maybe steampunk or goth would count? Fran Lavolta Press Two new books of 1880s patterns! www.lavoltapress.com On 11/3/2010 3:38 PM, Kimiko Small wrote: Thank you Fran for letting us know. I've recently finished my ball dress so I'm going to give this a shot. I just have to figure out how to deal with the inspiration image, as that one is too small for their contest and I have no larger version. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help identifying furs
Mink do not turn white in the winter and AFAIK neither do marten/sable. Ermine are considerably smaller than either mink or marten/sable and when in the white phase they have a distinctive black tip on the tail. Denise On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:42:14 -0400 Becky Rautine zearti...@hotmail.com wrote: maybe mink but sable and mink are pretty much the same thing. The white could be what some old heraldry called ermine. Mink/Sable/Ermine all go through color changes due to winter. Dark in the spring, the white for cold snowy times. Either way, I'd say these are the same family of furred critters. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] For anyone who's already created a historically inspired party dress
It is possible, but not what they have listed in their rules. They want a decade or two, and even in the qa mention that historical or futuristic is fine (not in so many words, but among their answers to other folks' queries. They don't even have limits on what patterns are used. I figure it is worth a little bit of my time to try it and see what happens. Kimiko From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, November 3, 2010 4:11:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] For anyone who's already created a historically inspired party dress My guess is, since this is Burda, they want historically inspired modern rather than authentic historic. Though maybe steampunk or goth would count? Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Help identifying 2 fur pieces.
As suggested, I measured both fur pieces. The lighter one appears to be two critters attached at the center. Each piece measures 19x4. I measured several of the darker ones, and they are all about 16x3, nose to tail-tip. Do any of you reenactors out there have a use for these? I don't do fur myself, but I'm certainly not going to waste perfectly good mystery fur! It would probably make very pretty trim on something. Besides, if I sell them maybe I can buy some swell wool or something. LOL Michelle ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help identifying furs
Hi Michelle, Here's my best guess: martens. During the 20th C. ladies wore a nice suit with a set of martens around their shoulders. They were clipped nose to butt around the body. Martens have a long and distinguished history in fashion history. During the Renaissance, people didn't know how they mated and thought they did it without sex (and possibly through their ear) and so they became a symbol of the Virgin birth. The Renaissance-era furriers did whatever they had to do to preserver the skin, replaced the head and little feet with gold/ enameled/jeweled replacement parts and were worn over the arm of a woman. The portrait of Countess Livia da Porto in the Walters Gallery in Baltimore shows one. Because of the fertility reference historians have speculated she might have been pregnant when the painting was done-- plus she had two children already, the daughter Porzia is pictured with her mom. Her husband and son are in another painting. Monica -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Michelle Plumb Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:31 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Need help identifying furs Hello, all. I was given two fur pieces (to be worn around the neck, I assume), and would like some help identifying them and to find out approximately what they're worth. I don't personally wear fur, but it seems a shame to waste them if someone could use them for a costume. I put pictures of them in my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/24767...@n06/sets/72157625297457400/ Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Michelle ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need help identifying furs
On 11/03/2010 03:50 PM, Land of Oz wrote: I'd also say marten/sable for the dark one and the lighter one looks like fox. Here is a web site with a lot of photos of various fur bearing animals http://www.chichesterinc.com/category2.htm I think you're right, although I can't tell what sort of fox I have. Thanks! Michelle ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
