Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

On 8/6/2011 5:23 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:

No, it doesn't really work like that. All of my costuming friends on LJ, of
which there are many, post similar to a handwritten diary. So some days it is
about how they can't get a seam right and the next day it is about their cat or
whatever. (Some people have separate journals for personal and costuming, some
mix both into one). It is a diary not an "official" blog like, say, The Duchess
of Devonshire's Gossip Guide to the 18th Century or Perez Hilton or whatever.


Well, my observation is that on their personal blogs, people post 
whatever they want. Sometimes it is all related to a theme, sometimes 
not. The LiveJournal ones I have read are no different that the ones 
hosted by services other than LiveJournal.  I do have to say that since 
what I look for is content, I am turned off by blogs that are how to do 
something costume related one day, and the blogger's struggles with how 
to fix their kitchen faucet another day.




All of us comment on each others diary posts both costume related and not. We
have a friends page which lists all of the posts our friends have made. It is a
very strong support system of like minded individuals.


That confirms that you and I want quite different things, which is fine. 
I'm not interested in strictly personal posts and feel no need for a 
"support system." Just on e-groups with consistent, targeted, 
substantive information on topics of interest to me.


We are basically agreeing here:  Blogs, and comments on them, encourage 
different kinds of interaction than groups like h-costume.


Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Beteena Paradise]

No, it doesn't really work like that. All of my costuming friends on LJ, of 
which there are many, post similar to a handwritten diary. So some days it is 
about how they can't get a seam right and the next day it is about their cat or 
whatever. (Some people have separate journals for personal and costuming, some 
mix both into one). It is a diary not an "official" blog like, say, The Duchess 
of Devonshire's Gossip Guide to the 18th Century or Perez Hilton or whatever. 
All of us comment on each others diary posts both costume related and not. We 
have a friends page which lists all of the posts our friends have made. It is a 
very strong support system of like minded individuals. 

So for example, where on the h-cost list, you could email and say "Oh look at 
this new book about warnshnaggles that I found today!" and people would respond 
to it. One of us could post to our LJ the same message and all of them respond 
to it. Same for asking for help on how to fix a wrinkled corset or bodice that 
is pulling under the arms or whatever. 

In addition to personal journals like that, there are communties such as 
dressdiaries or lamodeillustree or costumesnark or whatever. There are tons of 
them. They are groups where any member can post something related to the 
specific community and the members of that community can comment on them. These 
will show up on the above mentioned friends lists if you want.




From: Lavolta Press 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 10:26:11 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

Beteena,

I've read a fair number of LJ posts. I still think both LJ and other blog 
formats work like this:

One person (or a group of people who have assembled for the long term 
specifically to post the blog entries) posts on a regular and/or frequent 
basis. 
The post is like a short magazine article or essay.

Then, other people comment on the post.  Many of the comments are on the "Great 
work!" or "I agree!" lines.  Some are substantive, but even so, not  usually 
more than a paragraph or two long.

I would argue that this is a different format from a discussion group like 
h-costume, where anyone can broach any subject at any time, and it is easy for 
multiple people to engage in each discussion. If in a blog format, one person 
is 
responding to another's blog on his/her own blog,  and then people have to 
respond to that post, it's just a lot harder for this to be a general 
discussion 
where everyone can tell what is going on.

That does not mean I am "attacking" LiveJournal.  I'm saying that a blog 
format, 
where one person provides most of the content and others respond to it, is 
different from a  more general discussion group.  I am also not against hanging 
out in a community for the sake of doing so. It's just that I personally am not 
interested in doing that.

Fran
Lavolta Press
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On 8/6/2011 2:09 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:
> The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a
> journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others personal blogs
> and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of attack 
so
> some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the name off 
>the
> top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ journals open
> as the format of it is more conducive to community.
> 
> Teena
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Lavolta Press
> To: Historical Costume
> Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
> 
> 
> Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them
> used more as  form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides most of
> the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion.
> 
> I'm really more interested in substantive information than "chat" or 
"belonging
> to a community."
> 
> Fran
> Lavolta Press
> www.lavoltapress.com
> www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress
> 
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Susan B. Farmer]

On 8/6/2011 7:08 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:

Geez. I'm even more out of it than I thought I was. i thought all I was
missing out on was facebook and twitter (and texting). Now I see it's
Live Journal too. When do people find time to do all this computerized
social networking and have a life?



Life?  Actually, many of my students interact with me preferentially 
through facebook rather than traditional email.  But then, teaching eats 
anything resembling much of a life for me!  :-(  (I love teaching, don't 
get me wrong; I just miss having time to do things other than grade 
papers for 250 students!)


Susan
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Sylvia Rognstad]

Geez.  I'm even more out of it than I thought I was.  i thought all I  
was missing out on was facebook and twitter (and texting).  Now I see  
it's Live Journal too.  When do people find time to do all this  
computerized social networking and have a life?




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Costume/clothing design & construction
Alterations & home dec
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On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote:


On 8/6/2011 5:17 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
I never even heard of this live journal thing. i know you said  
what it

is, more of less, but I guess I don't understand how it works. Is it
different from looking at a bunch of individual blogs?

LiveJournal and DreamWidth have the idea of "Friends Lists" (or  
Reading Lists) down to a fine art.  You subscribe (for lack of a  
better word) to folks that you want to follow (like Kimiko, for  
instance), and then on your "Reading" page, all their entries show  
it.  It's **MUCH** micer/easier (IMO) to follow than a bunch of  
different blogs.  They all come to one place.  I also think it's  
easier to have a discussion on LJ or DW than it is on most blogs  
because of the way the comments are structured.  It's very easy to  
follow a comment thread there.


Susan/ jerusha/ FlorentineScot
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Kimiko Small]

On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:
> But still, you can't post anything very long in any discussion. I'm a member 
> of a number of Facebook groups, and I ran into their posting length limit 
> immediately.


Quite true. It is more suitable for back and forth short chatting and sharing 
of ideas, than long-length pontificating from one person, which is appropriate 
more for a mailing list like this, or a blog. I think one can use a Document 
for longer content but that doesn't go as well in replies it seems. But it does 
allow for edits from multiple people in the Group.

Perhaps a Google+ account is more your style? It seems a cross between a blog 
and FB, and I don't recall reading there being a length limit to posts or 
replies. And no apps/games to distract you. You can also limit your commentary 
to those you decide to put into your Circle of friends, which can be whoever 
you want. I've not done much there yet, and there are problems there since it 
is in early stages, but it is an option.

So much variety nowadays, no wonder some of the older methods are not so 
hopping.

Kimiko


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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Susan B. Farmer]

On 8/6/2011 5:26 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:

Beteena,

I've read a fair number of LJ posts. I still think both LJ and other
blog formats work like this:

One person (or a group of people who have assembled for the long term
specifically to post the blog entries) posts on a regular and/or
frequent basis. The post is like a short magazine article or essay.

Then, other people comment on the post. Many of the comments are on the
"Great work!" or "I agree!" lines. Some are substantive, but even so,
not usually more than a paragraph or two long.

I would argue that this is a different format from a discussion group
like h-costume, where anyone can broach any subject at any time, and it
is easy for multiple people to engage in each discussion. If in a blog
format, one person is responding to another's blog on his/her own blog,
and then people have to respond to that post, it's just a lot harder for
this to be a general discussion where everyone can tell what is going on.



Oh, very much so.  Here, anybody can start a discussion about anything. 
 There, "you" have to respond to what "I" say.


Each of the venues, Facebook, Journaling sites, Blogging sites and even 
Discussion Boards have their own intended purpose and methods of 
interacting.  I suspect it's just the summer heat and a temporary lull 
in the lists.  It happens to all lists from time to time.


And as somebody, Kimiko?, mentioned, Costume College was last weekend. 
Folks are probably recovering!


Susan


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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Susan B. Farmer]

On 8/6/2011 5:17 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:

I never even heard of this live journal thing. i know you said what it
is, more of less, but I guess I don't understand how it works. Is it
different from looking at a bunch of individual blogs?

LiveJournal and DreamWidth have the idea of "Friends Lists" (or Reading 
Lists) down to a fine art.  You subscribe (for lack of a better word) to 
folks that you want to follow (like Kimiko, for instance), and then on 
your "Reading" page, all their entries show it.  It's **MUCH** 
micer/easier (IMO) to follow than a bunch of different blogs.  They all 
come to one place.  I also think it's easier to have a discussion on LJ 
or DW than it is on most blogs because of the way the comments are 
structured.  It's very easy to follow a comment thread there.


Susan/ jerusha/ FlorentineScot
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sfar...@goldsword.com
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Susan B. Farmer]

On 8/6/2011 5:09 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:

The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a
journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others personal blogs
and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of attack so
some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the name off the
top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ journals open
as the format of it is more conducive to community.

DreamWidth -- and I do have a few invite codes if anybody wants to 
escape the DDos from the Russian Politics of LiveJournal.


susan/FlorentineScot
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sfar...@goldsword.com
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

The other thing is, fake IDs really bug me. Everyone has legitimate 
concerns about the safety of themselves and their property. I think it's 
a bad idea to post publicly, anywhere, either that you will be leaving 
your house empty or that you own very expensive, easily resalable 
property. Also, to post nude or suggestive photos. Whether you use a 
fake ID or not, it's all too easy for professional thieves and 
psychopaths to use this information. After all, your street address is 
probably readily available on the net.


And I can see why trolls adopt fake IDs when they post for the sole 
purpose of upsetting people.


But, I have never understood why so many people neither post their real 
names nor give any idea who they really are. I can't see how refusing to 
say who you are promotes community--quite the reverse. I am, by the way, 
aware that tons of people seem to disagree.


Fran
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On 8/6/2011 2:41 PM, Kimiko Small wrote:

I mentioned my two FB Groups that I enjoy.

On LiveJournal, I've got too many feeds and blogs that I enjoy, but one that I 
think really helps feed the creative soul for costuming is DressDiaries
http://dressdiaries.livejournal.com/
It is open to anyone who wants to share how they created whatever costume or 
costume accessory they are working on. Most folks are cross posting from their 
own LJ or other blog, but it can be interesting and educational in seeing how 
folks create X, from historical to fantastical. Just follow the community rules 
in posting is all we admins ask.

Kimiko


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On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:


Maybe people could post links to their favorite blogs or other groups and 
mention what era(s) or areas the group focuses on?

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

> I don't do Twitter, but on Facebook, there has been a lot of in depth 
research type discussions going on in the two Groups I'm a part of. 
Elizabethan Costume http://www.facebook.com/groups/29374273995/ (being 
able to discuss with Ninya, Jane, and Melanie among many others about 
different aspects of whatever photo we are discussing about has been 
very enlightening.


But still, you can't post anything very long in any discussion. I'm a 
member of a number of Facebook groups, and I ran into their posting 
length limit immediately.


>However, I also know that in order for me to actually Create the ideas 
floating in my head, I will need to spend less time on this computer, or 
those ideas won't get created. Maybe folks are spending less time online 
in order to Create?


I wouldn't be surprised. It's amazing how much time the net can take up.

Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Kimiko Small]

I mentioned my two FB Groups that I enjoy.

On LiveJournal, I've got too many feeds and blogs that I enjoy, but one that I 
think really helps feed the creative soul for costuming is DressDiaries
http://dressdiaries.livejournal.com/
It is open to anyone who wants to share how they created whatever costume or 
costume accessory they are working on. Most folks are cross posting from their 
own LJ or other blog, but it can be interesting and educational in seeing how 
folks create X, from historical to fantastical. Just follow the community rules 
in posting is all we admins ask.

Kimiko


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http://www.kimiko1.com

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On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:

> Maybe people could post links to their favorite blogs or other groups and 
> mention what era(s) or areas the group focuses on?

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Kimiko Small]

On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:

> No one else has to respond to keep the blog going. And the formats of 
> Facebook and Twitter basically encourage announcements rather than 
> discussions.

I don't do Twitter, but on Facebook, there has been a lot of in depth research 
type discussions going on in the two Groups I'm a part of.
Elizabethan Costume
http://www.facebook.com/groups/29374273995/
(being able to discuss with Ninya, Jane, and Melanie among many others about 
different aspects of whatever photo we are discussing about has been very 
enlightening. I think it is the ability to add in a photo shared by someone, 
and then discuss aspects of what is seen in that photo, that really adds an 
element that is harder to do on an email list.)
Historic Hand Embroidery (which I just started two days ago and it is pretty 
hopping right now, mostly on sweete bags and elizabethan coifs, but other era 
garments/embroidery is welcome)
http://www.facebook.com/groups/156337781110182/

The new Group format allows for photo posting, some basic documents (but that 
is glitchy), and fast response times which can keep me on the computer longer 
than expected. What I found is that if you create a group, invite a few friends 
you know are interested in the topic, that people with interest in that group 
show up rather quickly to be included. You might search to see if there is a 
Group already created and of interest to you, or make your own for your own 
interests. If you make your own, I suggest making it Closed so it doesn't spam 
friends who aren't on that list, but leave the accepting of new members open to 
other members so folks can be easily added by other members (I may close mine 
in a few weeks to just the admins, or if we get someone that is a putz.)

However, I also know that in order for me to actually Create the ideas floating 
in my head, I will need to spend less time on this computer, or those ideas 
won't get created. Maybe folks are spending less time online in order to Create?

>  In late 2008 I was wondering whether people would costume more (more 
> involuntary free time, because they'd been laid off) or less (because travel 
> to events is expensive and I notice many people saying they are now skipping 
> events they used to travel to). My guess is they are costuming less than 
> before the crash.  I am not sure that purchase of supplies is as large an 
> expense factor as event travel. I'm seeing people on both costuming and 
> mainstream sewing groups saying how glad they are for their fabric stashes to 
> draw on.

The friends I read on LJ, and the community posters, have all mentioned doing a 
heavy draw on their stashes for awhile. I know I'm still working more from my 
stash as well and only buying a few items to add finishing touches from my 
stash items. But while folks are talking about not traveling as much, they are 
still traveling to events dear to their hearts - so fewer events, and fewer 
shopping for new stuff, but the commentary about making things seems to be just 
as active, as is recycling old materials into new items that is also coming up 
more often. I know that folks at Costume College have plans for next year's 
costuming and are very excited from their ideas. So, to my perspective, people 
are still doing stuff, making stuff, just adjusting to this new financial 
situation best they can.

> Anyway, I really like h-costume because it is multi-era, and one of the more 
> substantive groups. I'm interested in many periods.

I agree, even if my focus is mainly on 16th century. I have always liked this 
group and have no plans on leaving. In fact, I've realized that I need to break 
out of the 16th c. rut I am in, and branch out into other time periods, 
including fantasy/sci-fi, which often has a basis in historical styles. Fran, I 
bought one of your books recently to help me do just that. I know I'll end up 
having questions on other eras soon enough.

Kimiko


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[Lavolta Press]

LiveJournal is just a blog host.  Members can join as many blogs as they 
want and then comment on those blogs.


Fran
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On 8/6/2011 2:17 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
I never even heard of this live journal thing.  i know you said what 
it is, more of less, but I guess I don't understand how it works.  Is 
it different from looking at a bunch of individual blogs?




Sylvia Rognstad
Costume/clothing design & construction
Alterations & home dec
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On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:


The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a
journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others 
personal blogs
and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of 
attack so
some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the 
name off the
top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ 
journals open

as the format of it is more conducive to community.

Teena




From: Lavolta Press 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?


Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically 
see them
used more as  form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides 
most of

the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion.

I'm really more interested in substantive information than "chat" or 
"belonging

to a community."

Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

Beteena,

I've read a fair number of LJ posts. I still think both LJ and other 
blog formats work like this:


One person (or a group of people who have assembled for the long term 
specifically to post the blog entries) posts on a regular and/or 
frequent basis. The post is like a short magazine article or essay.


Then, other people comment on the post.  Many of the comments are on the 
"Great work!" or "I agree!" lines.  Some are substantive, but even so, 
not  usually more than a paragraph or two long.


I would argue that this is a different format from a discussion group 
like h-costume, where anyone can broach any subject at any time, and it 
is easy for multiple people to engage in each discussion. If in a blog 
format, one person is responding to another's blog on his/her own blog,  
and then people have to respond to that post, it's just a lot harder for 
this to be a general discussion where everyone can tell what is going on.


That does not mean I am "attacking" LiveJournal.  I'm saying that a blog 
format, where one person provides most of the content and others respond 
to it, is different from a  more general discussion group.  I am also 
not against hanging out in a community for the sake of doing so. It's 
just that I personally am not interested in doing that.


Fran
Lavolta Press
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On 8/6/2011 2:09 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:

The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a
journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others personal blogs
and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of attack so
some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the name off the
top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ journals open
as the format of it is more conducive to community.

Teena




From: Lavolta Press
To: Historical Costume
Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?


Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them
used more as  form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides most of
the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion.

I'm really more interested in substantive information than "chat" or "belonging
to a community."

Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Sylvia Rognstad]

I never even heard of this live journal thing.  i know you said what  
it is, more of less, but I guess I don't understand how it works.  Is  
it different from looking at a bunch of individual blogs?




Sylvia Rognstad
Costume/clothing design & construction
Alterations & home dec
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On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:


The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a
journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others  
personal blogs
and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot  
of attack so
some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the  
name off the
top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ  
journals open

as the format of it is more conducive to community.

Teena




From: Lavolta Press 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?


Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically  
see them
used more as  form of journalism (one person posts regularly/ 
provides most of

the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion.

I'm really more interested in substantive information than "chat"  
or "belonging

to a community."

Fran
Lavolta Press
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Beteena Paradise]

The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a 
journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others personal blogs 
and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of attack so 
some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the name off 
the 
top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ journals open 
as the format of it is more conducive to community. 

Teena




From: Lavolta Press 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?


Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them 
used more as  form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides most of 
the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion.

I'm really more interested in substantive information than "chat" or "belonging 
to a community."

Fran
Lavolta Press
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

On 8/6/2011 2:01 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
I myself can't seem to get into blogs or facebook (except to try to 
promote my belly dance veils).  Maybe it's just that I haven't a clue 
how to find what I might be looking for.



Maybe people could post links to their favorite blogs or other groups 
and mention what era(s) or areas the group focuses on?


Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

>II find email groups are taking up too much of my time and its easier 
to keep tabs on blogs and facebook for now.




That's one thing I was wondering about.  Is the enthusiasm for lots of 
back-and-forth discussion waning because of the time it takes?  Blogs 
are very time consuming too, but mostly for the blog owner.  No one else 
has to respond to keep the blog going. And the formats of Facebook and 
Twitter basically encourage announcements rather than discussions.


The other thing I was wondering about is, I saw a decline in egroup 
posts starting soon after the 2008 stock market/housing crash.  Traffic 
has not really bounced back, but then, neither has the economy. In late 
2008 I was wondering whether people would costume more (more involuntary 
free time, because they'd been laid off) or less (because travel to 
events is expensive and I notice many people saying they are now 
skipping events they used to travel to). My guess is they are costuming 
less than before the crash.  I am not sure that purchase of supplies is 
as large an expense factor as event travel. I'm seeing people on both 
costuming and mainstream sewing groups saying how glad they are for 
their fabric stashes to draw on.


Anyway, I really like h-costume because it is multi-era, and one of the 
more substantive groups. I'm interested in many periods.


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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Sylvia Rognstad]

I myself can't seem to get into blogs or facebook (except to try to  
promote my belly dance veils).  Maybe it's just that I haven't a clue  
how to find what I might be looking for.  I am not interested in one  
particular area of costuming so I'm not aware of what's out there.   
What I have always liked about this email list and the theatrical  
costuming list is that they are 2 places I can go to easily when i  
have a question.There's usually at least one person on one of the  
2 lists that knows the answer.  I love these lists and would hate to  
see them go, but I do understand people wanting more specific areas  
that address their own particular concern.


Btw, while I'm at it,and since we're discussing facebook,  any belly  
dancers out there?  Please check out my facebook page where I sell  
the hand-dyed silk veils i make.  Is it ok to promote ourselves on  
this list, I hope?


http://www.facebook.com/pages/Emeralds-Belly-Dance-veils-etc/ 
134438376621333





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Costume/clothing design & construction
Alterations & home dec
http://www.ezzyworld.com
Hand-dyed silk belly dance veils
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Emeralds-Belly-Dance-veils-etc/ 
134438376621333




On Aug 6, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:

>But I will agree that there is less going on with costumers in a  
variety of costuming mailing lists. I kinda miss that, but it seems  
with all the new technology out there, times change along with the  
various formats available to communicate with.


Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically  
see them used more as  form of journalism (one person posts  
regularly/provides most of the content, a few others briefly  
comment) rather than discussion.


I'm really more interested in substantive information than "chat"  
or "belonging to a community."


Fran
Lavolta Press
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Aylwen Gardiner-Garden]

I'm travelling right now, seeing costumes and dancing in all places, just
saw an amazing collection outside of Copenhagen. I'm planning to do less on
email groups when I get back and focus more on my blog and using it to keep
me honest and producing more reproductions and research. I find email groups
are taking up too much of my time and its easier to keep tabs on blogs and
facebook for now.
But then, I have three children also competing for my time, so I can't speak
for everyone.
Cheers,
Aylwen
http://aylwen.blogspot.com

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Lavolta Press  wrote:

> >But I will agree that there is less going on with costumers in a variety
> of costuming mailing lists. I kinda miss that, but it seems with all the new
> technology out there, times change along with the various formats available
> to communicate with.
>
> Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see
> them used more as  form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides
> most of the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion.
>
> I'm really more interested in substantive information than "chat" or
> "belonging to a community."
>
> Fran
> Lavolta Press
>
> www.lavoltapress.com
> www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

>But I will agree that there is less going on with costumers in a 
variety of costuming mailing lists. I kinda miss that, but it seems with 
all the new technology out there, times change along with the various 
formats available to communicate with.


Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see 
them used more as  form of journalism (one person posts 
regularly/provides most of the content, a few others briefly comment) 
rather than discussion.


I'm really more interested in substantive information than "chat" or 
"belonging to a community."


Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Kimiko Small]

Maybe it was that so many costumers were at Costume College last weekend??

Would you believe that some of us are actually congregating on Facebook? Their 
new Groups format is actually making things somewhat easier to chat about 
Elizabethan costumes at least. Traffic and conversations ebb and flow with some 
days full of new conversations, and some days rather quiet.

Some folks are heading to blogs, such as on old LiveJournal (LJ), when it is 
not under DDOS attacks from the Russian Government (which is why a number of 
new blogs are being formed elsewhere and there is less traffic on LJ than 
formerly). I couldn't tell you which blogs to join, as most are focused on a 
specific time frame or interest, and so it is up to you as to which blogs you 
want to follow. LJ helped to make all those blogs into a community, with easy 
friending, and community blogs, which is why I like being there. I am also 
pondering going to a different blog format because of the LJ problems, but will 
repost to my old LJ accounts.

Some folks are going to Google+, but I'm still not sure if I like things there. 
Some may be hanging around on Forums of all sorts, but which ones I don't know 
as I don't do many forums.

But I will agree that there is less going on with costumers in a variety of 
costuming mailing lists. I kinda miss that, but it seems with all the new 
technology out there, times change along with the various formats available to 
communicate with.

Kimiko


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On Aug 6, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:

>   Where ARE all the costumers hanging out, if not on h-costume?

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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

Which blogs?

Fran

On 8/6/2011 1:00 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote:

Lots of people on blogs.



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Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Beteena Paradise]

Lots of people on blogs. 




From: Lavolta Press 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 8:37:22 PM
Subject: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

For well over a year, I've been noticing a relative scarcity of posts on pretty 
much every costume-related mailing list and bulletin board of which I am a 
member (several dozen).  Many of these groups, including h-costume, were 
formerly very active. The general, noncostume sewing groups are an 
exception--they seem to be as active as ever.

I don't really consider Facebook a substitute because their message limits and 
format don't cater to either long messages or complicated interchanges.

Is costuming going out of style, as it were?  Is reenactment less popular? Are 
people traveling less to events because of the recession, therefore making 
fewer 
outfits for attending events, therefore not discussing those projects?  Is 
everyone hanging out on new lists I've never heard of?  Where ARE all the 
costumers hanging out, if not on h-costume?

Fran
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[h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?

[Lavolta Press]

For well over a year, I've been noticing a relative scarcity of posts on 
pretty much every costume-related mailing list and bulletin board of 
which I am a member (several dozen).  Many of these groups, including 
h-costume, were formerly very active. The general, noncostume sewing 
groups are an exception--they seem to be as active as ever.


I don't really consider Facebook a substitute because their message 
limits and format don't cater to either long messages or complicated 
interchanges.


Is costuming going out of style, as it were?  Is reenactment less 
popular? Are people traveling less to events because of the recession, 
therefore making fewer outfits for attending events, therefore not 
discussing those projects?  Is everyone hanging out on new lists I've 
never heard of?  Where ARE all the costumers hanging out, if not on 
h-costume?


Fran
Lavolta Press
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