Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help?
Ah... of course. I was picturing something else. I've actually seen small antique buckles and thought they had been separated from... a very narrow belt, maybe? Buckles as fasteners... hmm... -Dede From: Sharon Collier To: 'Historical Costume' Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help? Also, I have a couple of buckles from my great aunts; they are simple rectangles, with an additional vertical bar, which would work perfectly with those shorter ties. They were in the box of lace, insertion lace trim, etc. that I got from my great aunts, so right era. Sharon ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help?
It's possible. After all, there is an abundance of fabric to control. -Dede From: Sharon Collier To: 'Historical Costume' Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help? The longer ties could have been to tie the blouse in the right spot, maybe tied and tucked under the front of the corset to prevent twisting of the blouse? I know that in Elizabethan fashion, the bum roll was often tied and the ties tucked under the front of the corset for just that purpose. Sharon ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help?
Also, I have a couple of buckles from my great aunts; they are simple rectangles, with an additional vertical bar, which would work perfectly with those shorter ties. They were in the box of lace, insertion lace trim, etc. that I got from my great aunts, so right era. Sharon -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of WorkroomButtons.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 1:50 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help? Isabella... this is perfect! Thanks so much! Exactly the right era, and yes... I imagine that particular detail would make laundry much easier for students, or perhaps for the underpaid ladies who did it for them. :-( Instead of a buckle, as Sharon suggested, perhaps a straight pin was used to fasten the front ties? And... now that the mystery of the front ties has been solved, thanks to Fran, Sharon, and Isabella... anyone care to venture a guess as to the function of the inner (longer) ties? -Dede From: . . To: "h-costume@mail.indra.com" Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help? Hello, I get this in digest form so I apologize if anything I say is repetitive of something someone has already posted. There is a pattern for a similar blouse in 1906 in the Delineator: https://books.google.com/books?id=tGxJAQAAMAAJ&lpg=PA1177&ots=D7FhGj19hw&dq=The%20Delineator%2C%20June%201906&pg=PA646#v=onepage&q=shirtwaist&f=false The reason it might have the overbelt and not be permanently gathered in the front is shown in a book from 1911: http://chestofbooks.com/crafts/needlework/Text-Book-On-Domestic-Art/Shirt-Waist.html#.Vc-L2rTy8y5 Basically, it was because it was much easier to launder for the students in the era before washing machines. :-) You can use the inner belt to keep the shirtwaist from moving around and the outer belt is used to keep the pleats/gathers in place while you are wearing it. The outer belt would be hidden by the skirt and yet another belt. Hope that helps! Sincerely,Isabellahttp://www.extantgowns.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help?
The longer ties could have been to tie the blouse in the right spot, maybe tied and tucked under the front of the corset to prevent twisting of the blouse? I know that in Elizabethan fashion, the bum roll was often tied and the ties tucked under the front of the corset for just that purpose. Sharon -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of WorkroomButtons.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 1:50 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help? Isabella... this is perfect! Thanks so much! Exactly the right era, and yes... I imagine that particular detail would make laundry much easier for students, or perhaps for the underpaid ladies who did it for them. :-( Instead of a buckle, as Sharon suggested, perhaps a straight pin was used to fasten the front ties? And... now that the mystery of the front ties has been solved, thanks to Fran, Sharon, and Isabella... anyone care to venture a guess as to the function of the inner (longer) ties? -Dede From: . . To: "h-costume@mail.indra.com" Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help? Hello, I get this in digest form so I apologize if anything I say is repetitive of something someone has already posted. There is a pattern for a similar blouse in 1906 in the Delineator: https://books.google.com/books?id=tGxJAQAAMAAJ&lpg=PA1177&ots=D7FhGj19hw&dq=The%20Delineator%2C%20June%201906&pg=PA646#v=onepage&q=shirtwaist&f=false The reason it might have the overbelt and not be permanently gathered in the front is shown in a book from 1911: http://chestofbooks.com/crafts/needlework/Text-Book-On-Domestic-Art/Shirt-Waist.html#.Vc-L2rTy8y5 Basically, it was because it was much easier to launder for the students in the era before washing machines. :-) You can use the inner belt to keep the shirtwaist from moving around and the outer belt is used to keep the pleats/gathers in place while you are wearing it. The outer belt would be hidden by the skirt and yet another belt. Hope that helps! Sincerely,Isabellahttp://www.extantgowns.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help?
Isabella... this is perfect! Thanks so much! Exactly the right era, and yes... I imagine that particular detail would make laundry much easier for students, or perhaps for the underpaid ladies who did it for them. :-( Instead of a buckle, as Sharon suggested, perhaps a straight pin was used to fasten the front ties? And... now that the mystery of the front ties has been solved, thanks to Fran, Sharon, and Isabella... anyone care to venture a guess as to the function of the inner (longer) ties? -Dede From: . . To: "h-costume@mail.indra.com" Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help? Hello, I get this in digest form so I apologize if anything I say is repetitive of something someone has already posted. There is a pattern for a similar blouse in 1906 in the Delineator: https://books.google.com/books?id=tGxJAQAAMAAJ&lpg=PA1177&ots=D7FhGj19hw&dq=The%20Delineator%2C%20June%201906&pg=PA646#v=onepage&q=shirtwaist&f=false The reason it might have the overbelt and not be permanently gathered in the front is shown in a book from 1911: http://chestofbooks.com/crafts/needlework/Text-Book-On-Domestic-Art/Shirt-Waist.html#.Vc-L2rTy8y5 Basically, it was because it was much easier to launder for the students in the era before washing machines. :-) You can use the inner belt to keep the shirtwaist from moving around and the outer belt is used to keep the pleats/gathers in place while you are wearing it. The outer belt would be hidden by the skirt and yet another belt. Hope that helps! Sincerely,Isabellahttp://www.extantgowns.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help?
Hello, I get this in digest form so I apologize if anything I say is repetitive of something someone has already posted. There is a pattern for a similar blouse in 1906 in the Delineator: https://books.google.com/books?id=tGxJAQAAMAAJ&lpg=PA1177&ots=D7FhGj19hw&dq=The%20Delineator%2C%20June%201906&pg=PA646#v=onepage&q=shirtwaist&f=false The reason it might have the overbelt and not be permanently gathered in the front is shown in a book from 1911: http://chestofbooks.com/crafts/needlework/Text-Book-On-Domestic-Art/Shirt-Waist.html#.Vc-L2rTy8y5 Basically, it was because it was much easier to launder for the students in the era before washing machines. :-) You can use the inner belt to keep the shirtwaist from moving around and the outer belt is used to keep the pleats/gathers in place while you are wearing it. The outer belt would be hidden by the skirt and yet another belt. Hope that helps! Sincerely,Isabellahttp://www.extantgowns.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
