Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-18 Thread AVCHASE
Hi, that cloth sounds like old fashioned white cotton feed or flour sacking. 
Sometimes thes old pieces show up at fairs or garage sales. Audy 

in the high boonies of Central Texas


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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-18 Thread R Lloyd Mitchell
The DEVA co., (W) uses a contemporary version of 100% cotton?feed-sack for some 
of their shirts. There are at least 3 styles that are usable for re-inactors 
of the 18th and 19th time periods...especially if one has to wear such for 
every day events. I have used them for years...especially for theater...good 
looking but rugged.
Kathleen M?
-Original Message-
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To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600Hi, 
that cloth sounds like old fashioned white cotton feed or flour sacking. 
Sometimes thes old pieces show up at fairs or garage sales. Audy
in the high boonies of Central Texas

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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-18 Thread Laurie Taylor
Hi,

That's interesting.  Hadn't thought about sacking of any sort, but that
would fit.  However, the original shirt that the kid loves was manufactured
by someone purchasing large quantities, probably at wholesale.  There were a
lot of pieces made of this fabric at the vendor's booth.  If I found the
vendor, I'd be tempted to buy him another shirt, just because I know he'd
like and wear it.  However, I really don't want to spend over $50 for a
shirt if I can help it.

I'll have to try some new googles, based on sacking - see what comes up.

Thanks for the hint.

Laurie

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Behalf Of AVCHASE
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:48 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

Hi, that cloth sounds like old fashioned white cotton feed or flour sacking.
Sometimes thes old pieces show up at fairs or garage sales. Audy 

in the high boonies of Central Texas


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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-18 Thread Laurie Taylor
Hmmm...no luck with Google for 'The DEVA co.'.  Any suggestions?

Laurie T.

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Behalf Of R Lloyd Mitchell
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:08 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

The DEVA co., (W) uses a contemporary version of 100% cotton?feed-sack for
some of their shirts. There are at least 3 styles that are usable for
re-inactors of the 18th and 19th time periods...especially if one has to
wear such for every day events. I have used them for years...especially for
theater...good looking but rugged.
Kathleen M?
-Original Message-
From: AVCHASE achasedes...@peoplepc.com
Sent 10/18/2010 10:48:13 AM
To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600Hi,
that cloth sounds like old fashioned white cotton feed or flour sacking.
Sometimes thes old pieces show up at fairs or garage sales. Audy
in the high boonies of Central Texas

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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-18 Thread cw15147-hcost01
Hi Laurie,

If you bought the original shirt from a vendor, and from I recall of RenFaire 
vendors, it's probably cotton gauze (is it crinkly?)

I suggest just using a lightweight linen. It'll be similar in texture, and very 
nice to wear. 


I loves me linen shirts, shifts, smocks, pants, skirts, dresses, etc.




Claudine



- Original Message 
 From: Laurie Taylor costume...@mazarineblue.com
 To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com
 Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 12:40:55 PM
 Subject: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600
 
 Hello, me again.
 
 For that same shirt project, now that I have woken up  and recognized the
 many resources already present in my studio, I'm hung up  on fabric.  Well,
 not really hung up as I can certainly use 100% linen  and end up with a
 reasonably period shirt.  But the shirt that he  already has is 100% cotton -
 I know - not period - but very comfy and again,  he likes it.
 
 The fabric strikes me as rather unusual.  It's an  off-white - very creamy -
 but it's almost like a crepe - a cotton  crepe.  Online searching for 100%
 cotton crepes has yielded very  little.  Fashion Fabrics Club does have a tan
 cotton/linen crepe and a  purple 100% cotton crepe, but that's all I've
 found.
 
 I may be wrong  about the existing shirt being of a crepe, but that's the
 closest I can  guess, even handling it directly.  It reminds me of cotton (or
 maybe  linen) dish towels, reasonably finely woven but very soft.  It's  very
 much different from any weight/weave of linen that I've found  anywhere.
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 Laurie T.
 
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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-18 Thread otsisto
Perhaps you can get swashes for Dharma
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1667492-AA.shtml


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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-18 Thread R Lloyd Mitchell
devalifewear.com should do the trick. If you call them, they have several 
fabrics they use in their designs.? Ask for a sample of what is available...if 
the weight and weave is crucial. One of them is Devacloth which does have some 
'crinkle'..but it 'reads' for the uniniated as un-ironed linen.? In following 
the thread, I take it that the design and appearance is more important than 
authenticity. If he gets 'hooked' with roleplaying life, you can upgrade the 
shirt to a closer period piece.
My take on reality...
Kathleen M
-Original Message-
From: Laurie Taylor costume...@mazarineblue.com
Sent 10/18/2010 1:10:14 PM
To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - 
pre-1600Hmmm...no luck with Google for 'The DEVA co.'.  Any suggestions?
Laurie T.
-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of R Lloyd Mitchell
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:08 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600
The DEVA co., (W) uses a contemporary version of 100% cotton?feed-sack for
some of their shirts. There are at least 3 styles that are usable for
re-inactors of the 18th and 19th time periods...especially if one has to
wear such for every day events. I have used them for years...especially for
theater...good looking but rugged.
Kathleen M?
-Original Message-
From: AVCHASE achasedes...@peoplepc.com
Sent 10/18/2010 10:48:13 AM
To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600Hi,
that cloth sounds like old fashioned white cotton feed or flour sacking.
Sometimes thes old pieces show up at fairs or garage sales. Audy
in the high boonies of Central Texas

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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-18 Thread otsisto
Pics:
Cotton bubble gauze (or as i call it pain in the arse to sew fabric)
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3479-AA.shtml?lnav=fabric_cotton.html

http://tinyurl.com/2eoarrh

Cotton voile
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3501-AA.shtml?lnav=fabric_cotton.html

http://tinyurl.com/23awt58

Silky cotton voile
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/4521523-AA.shtml?lnav=fabric_cotton.ht
ml

http://tinyurl.com/28zqcvo



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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-18 Thread Bonnie Booker

 For that same shirt project, now that I have woken up and recognized the
 many resources already present in my studio, I'm hung up on fabric.  Well,
 not really hung up as I can certainly use 100% linen and end up with a
 reasonably period shirt.  But the shirt that he already has is 100% cotton -
 I know - not period - but very comfy and again, he likes it.

Cotton not period? Sure it is. I know it was used in Spain and Itialy
in the Rennaisance (Hispanic Costume 1480-1530 by Ruth Matilda
Anderson p.183 worn by Empress Isabel) and Germany, where it was also
mixed with linen. Muslin (aka calico in Europe) is ideal.
-- 
Aspasia Moonwind

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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-18 Thread Laurie Taylor
Hi,

In truth, I am almost completely confounded as to how to describe this
fabric.  It is interesting, maybe even yummy.  I would not call it a crinkle
at all, as it's not like any of the crinkles that I've ever seen.

Yes, I may just go back to the neighborhood big-box fabric store and get
some more of a quite decent linen that I found there.  It softened up quite
a bit, even after only a wash or two.

Laurie

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From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of cw15147-hcos...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:25 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

Hi Laurie,

If you bought the original shirt from a vendor, and from I recall of
RenFaire 
vendors, it's probably cotton gauze (is it crinkly?)

I suggest just using a lightweight linen. It'll be similar in texture, and
very 
nice to wear. 


I loves me linen shirts, shifts, smocks, pants, skirts, dresses, etc.




Claudine



- Original Message 
 From: Laurie Taylor costume...@mazarineblue.com
 To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com
 Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 12:40:55 PM
 Subject: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600
 
 Hello, me again.
 
 For that same shirt project, now that I have woken up  and recognized the
 many resources already present in my studio, I'm hung up  on fabric.
Well,
 not really hung up as I can certainly use 100% linen  and end up with a
 reasonably period shirt.  But the shirt that he  already has is 100%
cotton -
 I know - not period - but very comfy and again,  he likes it.
 
 The fabric strikes me as rather unusual.  It's an  off-white - very creamy
-
 but it's almost like a crepe - a cotton  crepe.  Online searching for 100%
 cotton crepes has yielded very  little.  Fashion Fabrics Club does have a
tan
 cotton/linen crepe and a  purple 100% cotton crepe, but that's all I've
 found.
 
 I may be wrong  about the existing shirt being of a crepe, but that's the
 closest I can  guess, even handling it directly.  It reminds me of cotton
(or
 maybe  linen) dish towels, reasonably finely woven but very soft.  It's
very
 much different from any weight/weave of linen that I've found  anywhere.
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 Laurie T.
 
 -Original  Message-
snipped

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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-18 Thread Laurie Taylor
Yes, Dharma is always an interesting option.  I'll check them out.

Laurie

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of otsisto
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:54 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

Perhaps you can get swashes for Dharma
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1667492-AA.shtml


De

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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-18 Thread Laurie Taylor
Kathleen, when it comes to teenagers, your 'take on reality' is exactly like
mine.  First, get him hooked, then teach him about period authenticity.

I just got of the phone with Deva.  The pictures on the website didn't
really tell me anything, but the descriptions sounded interesting and they
are sending me a swatch set.  Got my fingers crossed!

Laurie

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of R Lloyd Mitchell
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:57 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

devalifewear.com should do the trick. If you call them, they have several
fabrics they use in their designs.? Ask for a sample of what is
available...if the weight and weave is crucial. One of them is Devacloth
which does have some 'crinkle'..but it 'reads' for the uniniated as
un-ironed linen.? In following the thread, I take it that the design and
appearance is more important than authenticity. If he gets 'hooked' with
roleplaying life, you can upgrade the shirt to a closer period piece.
My take on reality...
Kathleen M
-Original Message-
From: Laurie Taylor costume...@mazarineblue.com
Sent 10/18/2010 1:10:14 PM
To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period -
pre-1600Hmmm...no luck with Google for 'The DEVA co.'.  Any suggestions?
Laurie T.
-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of R Lloyd Mitchell
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:08 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600
The DEVA co., (W) uses a contemporary version of 100% cotton?feed-sack for
some of their shirts. There are at least 3 styles that are usable for
re-inactors of the 18th and 19th time periods...especially if one has to
wear such for every day events. I have used them for years...especially for
theater...good looking but rugged.
Kathleen M?
-Original Message-
From: AVCHASE achasedes...@peoplepc.com
Sent 10/18/2010 10:48:13 AM
To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600Hi,
that cloth sounds like old fashioned white cotton feed or flour sacking.
Sometimes thes old pieces show up at fairs or garage sales. Audy
in the high boonies of Central Texas

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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-18 Thread Laurie Taylor
Hey, thanks for the Dharma links.  I always get in trouble with Dharma - my
boxes always contain more than what I intended to order!  Must behave myself
today, darn it!

I know that the voiles will be way too light for this project, but it's so
nice to see a cotton voile available for something substantially less than
the $20+ that it costs to get it from Europe.  For underlinings and
interfacings, it doesn't need to be fancy, just basic cotton voile.  I don't
think I've ever seen Rayon voile before - cool.

Laurie

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of otsisto
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 11:03 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

Pics:
Cotton bubble gauze (or as i call it pain in the arse to sew fabric)
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3479-AA.shtml?lnav=fabric_cotton.html

http://tinyurl.com/2eoarrh

Cotton voile
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3501-AA.shtml?lnav=fabric_cotton.html

http://tinyurl.com/23awt58

Silky cotton voile
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/4521523-AA.shtml?lnav=fabric_cotton.ht
ml

http://tinyurl.com/28zqcvo



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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-18 Thread R Lloyd Mitchell
Thank you...doing HS and college theartre taught me a lot...make me look good 
and I will try to be in costume (OED explanation)
-Original Message-
From: Laurie Taylor costume...@mazarineblue.com
Sent 10/18/2010 4:40:07 PM
To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - 
pre-1600Kathleen, when it comes to teenagers, your 'take on reality' is exactly 
like
mine.  First, get him hooked, then teach him about period authenticity.
I just got of the phone with Deva.  The pictures on the website didn't
really tell me anything, but the descriptions sounded interesting and they
are sending me a swatch set.  Got my fingers crossed!
Laurie
-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of R Lloyd Mitchell
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:57 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600
devalifewear.com should do the trick. If you call them, they have several
fabrics they use in their designs.? Ask for a sample of what is
available...if the weight and weave is crucial. One of them is Devacloth
which does have some 'crinkle'..but it 'reads' for the uniniated as
un-ironed linen.? In following the thread, I take it that the design and
appearance is more important than authenticity. If he gets 'hooked' with
roleplaying life, you can upgrade the shirt to a closer period piece.
My take on reality...
Kathleen M
-Original Message-
From: Laurie Taylor costume...@mazarineblue.com
Sent 10/18/2010 1:10:14 PM
To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period -
pre-1600Hmmm...no luck with Google for 'The DEVA co.'.  Any suggestions?
Laurie T.
-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of R Lloyd Mitchell
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:08 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600
The DEVA co., (W) uses a contemporary version of 100% cotton?feed-sack for
some of their shirts. There are at least 3 styles that are usable for
re-inactors of the 18th and 19th time periods...especially if one has to
wear such for every day events. I have used them for years...especially for
theater...good looking but rugged.
Kathleen M?
-Original Message-
From: AVCHASE achasedes...@peoplepc.com
Sent 10/18/2010 10:48:13 AM
To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600Hi,
that cloth sounds like old fashioned white cotton feed or flour sacking.
Sometimes thes old pieces show up at fairs or garage sales. Audy
in the high boonies of Central Texas

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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-18 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond

On 10/18/2010 01:57 PM, R Lloyd Mitchell wrote:

devalifewear.com should do the trick. If you call them, they have several 
fabrics they use in their designs.? Ask for a sample of what is available...if 
the weight and weave is crucial. One of them is Devacloth which does have some 
'crinkle'..but it 'reads' for the uniniated as un-ironed linen.? In following 
the thread, I take it that the design and appearance is more important than 
authenticity. If he gets 'hooked' with roleplaying life, you can upgrade the 
shirt to a closer period piece.
My take on reality...



Deva cloth is a bit too heavy for a shirt, IMHO, though it would be good 
for a tunic. Their Breezecloth might make a better shirt.



--
Cathy Raymond
ca...@thyrsus.com

If you can make a girl laugh, you can make her do anything.
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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-18 Thread R Lloyd Mitchell
love their fabrics and service.? The 'burnouts' are fab.?
-Original Message-
From: Laurie Taylor costume...@mazarineblue.com
Sent 10/18/2010 4:43:26 PM
To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600Hey, 
thanks for the Dharma links.  I always get in trouble with Dharma - my
boxes always contain more than what I intended to order!  Must behave myself
today, darn it!
I know that the voiles will be way too light for this project, but it's so
nice to see a cotton voile available for something substantially less than
the $20+ that it costs to get it from Europe.  For underlinings and
interfacings, it doesn't need to be fancy, just basic cotton voile.  I don't
think I've ever seen Rayon voile before - cool.
Laurie
-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of otsisto
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 11:03 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600
Pics:
Cotton bubble gauze (or as i call it pain in the arse to sew fabric)
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3479-AA.shtml?lnav=fabric_cotton.htmlhttp://tinyurl.com/2eoarrh
Cotton voile
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3501-AA.shtml?lnav=fabric_cotton.htmlhttp://tinyurl.com/23awt58
Silky cotton voile
http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/4521523-AA.shtml?lnav=fabric_cotton.ht
ml
http://tinyurl.com/28zqcvo
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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-17 Thread Pierre Sandy Pettinger
Just call it birdseye cotton (at least I think that's what diaper 
cloth is called...)


Sandy

At 04:00 PM 10/17/2010, you wrote:

Hehehehehe.

Yes, especially considering how fussy this kid is!  Telling him diaper cloth
would be a disaster!  Funny, but still a disaster!

Thanks for the suggestion and for the little chuckle!

Laurie

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Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

You could make it out of huck cloth, which is what dishcloths are made of,
or diaper cloth (just don't tell him what it is!)


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Re: [h-cost] Fabric - was: Shirt pattern - SCA period - pre-1600

2010-10-17 Thread otsisto


-Original Message-
But the shirt that he already has is 100% cotton -
I know - not period - but very comfy and again, he likes it.

De: Going by memory, I believe that someone on the Italian list that i am on
said that in the late 1500s you do find some shirts and shifts made of
cotton in the Italian regions.


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