And we won't even go into the Spanish weirdness,
which is an entire 'nother topic all on its own. :-)
My first quick impression on seeing the first picture was Spanish. They
had a number of strange sideless surcoat variations.
Janet
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These are not young girls - a troubadour is a composer, and the vida, or
biography, of Castelloza says she was married. But it was a fairly
unconventional thing for a woman to do, in a part of the world that
tends to unusual fashions, and then the picture is from a different
country, so who
Hey guys, I thought that you may find these two portraits interesting:
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/Portraits/pg92detail.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/Portraits/pg93detail.jpg
Note the cut of the sideless surcote and the
minimal
Do the fillets on the heads mean these troubadours were young girls?
Lauren
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Hey guys, I thought that you may find these two portraits interesting:
Probably not - a troubadour is a composer, and the vida, or biography,
of Castelloza says she was married. But it was a fairly unconventional
thing for a woman to do, and who knows what later Venetians might have
thought she would have worn?
Jean
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Do the fillets on
Unmarried maidens in the Maciejowski Bible wear fillets and their hair
down--I can't at the moment bring any other examples to mind without
the library being to hand, though. I *would*, however, like to see more
manuscripts from the same time and similar places to compare before I feel
It is interesting that all of the women's portraits of both
manuscripts (the few that were there) show this. Much more variation
in headgear in the men's portraits. Informal settings? Maybe to show
an unconventional lifestyle? Hippies of the 13th C?
Beth
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:31:38
I was just thinking that very thing. Sort of romanticizing this apparently
Bohemian (in the hippy sense) woman.
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It is interesting that all of the women's portraits of both manuscripts
(the few that were there) show
Uh-oh. Whenever I let slip that I think anything might be evidence of the
existence of unconventional persons in any time period before the 19th century,
I know that shortly I will get shot down for it. You guys better duck!
;-)
Lauren
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On Nov 13, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Beth and Bob Matney wrote:
Note the cut of the sideless surcote and the minimal headcovering
(a ribbon?). On the page 93 detail, note the fur lined cloak and
what appears to be buttons down the front bodice (buttons are shown
along the sleeves of the GFD
These are from two different manuscript copies (the BNE Ms. francais
854 Chansonnier provencal I and the BNE Ms. francais 12473
Chansonnier provencal K.. from copies in France)... but I would
also like to see additional. I have a copy of the Maciejowski Bible
and am looking for other images.
Yes, I was a bit sloppy calling this a GFD. Sorry. Only the elbow to
wrist is closely fitted and buttoned. The rest is the standard loose
'tunica' of rectilinear construction. You can see some seam evidence
(where the arms are attached) in some of the images.
Beth
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008
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