[h-cost] Color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918
I'm looking for color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918, to get a feel for colors and prints (if any), particularly for women past 40. I've been looking through newspapers, so I've got ideas on silhouette, but they don't help much on the other. Any suggestions? Vicki Betts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918
Try Eaton's of Canada's 1917 Summer Spring catalog on Archive.org, and do a search for wash dresses, or dresses or cotton. There are some color pictures, and they had sizes and styles for ladies of all ages. http://archive.org/details/eatons191700eatouoft - Marion From: vbe...@gower.net vbe...@gower.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 9:44:18 AM Subject: [h-cost] Color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918 I'm looking for color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918, to get a feel for colors and prints (if any), particularly for women past 40. I've been looking through newspapers, so I've got ideas on silhouette, but they don't help much on the other. Any suggestions? Vicki Betts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918
Pg 101-102 have color images of various skirts petticoats-- I did not see wash dresses illustrated in color, but these pages do show the color range represented for that year. Many of the dressier styles were also in what Crayola labeled prussian blue, a light navy. I might call it slate, but it's less gray. Generally, older or slightly heavier women's styles were usually darker or more sedate, probably a hangover from the 19th century. ==Marjorie Wilser @..@ @..@ @..@ Three Toad Press http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On May 2, 2012, at 7:16 AM, Marion McNealy wrote: Try Eaton's of Canada's 1917 Summer Spring catalog on Archive.org, and do a search for wash dresses, or dresses or cotton. There are some color pictures, and they had sizes and styles for ladies of all ages. http://archive.org/details/eatons191700eatouoft - Marion From: vbe...@gower.net vbe...@gower.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 9:44:18 AM Subject: [h-cost] Color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918 I'm looking for color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918, to get a feel for colors and prints (if any), particularly for women past 40. I've been looking through newspapers, so I've got ideas on silhouette, but they don't help much on the other. Any suggestions? Vicki Betts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918
Period magazines? Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of vbe...@gower.net Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 6:42 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918 I'm looking for color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918, to get a feel for colors and prints (if any), particularly for women past 40. I've been looking through newspapers, so I've got ideas on silhouette, but they don't help much on the other. Any suggestions? Vicki Betts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918
Also, somber colors were the norm to wear during WWI. With so many people losing friends and loved ones, bright colors were not always appropriate. Terry -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Marjorie Wilser Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:15 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918 Pg 101-102 have color images of various skirts petticoats-- I did not see wash dresses illustrated in color, but these pages do show the color range represented for that year. Many of the dressier styles were also in what Crayola labeled prussian blue, a light navy. I might call it slate, but it's less gray. Generally, older or slightly heavier women's styles were usually darker or more sedate, probably a hangover from the 19th century. ==Marjorie Wilser @..@ @..@ @..@ Three Toad Press http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On May 2, 2012, at 7:16 AM, Marion McNealy wrote: Try Eaton's of Canada's 1917 Summer Spring catalog on Archive.org, and do a search for wash dresses, or dresses or cotton. There are some color pictures, and they had sizes and styles for ladies of all ages. http://archive.org/details/eatons191700eatouoft - Marion From: vbe...@gower.net vbe...@gower.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 9:44:18 AM Subject: [h-cost] Color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918 I'm looking for color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918, to get a feel for colors and prints (if any), particularly for women past 40. I've been looking through newspapers, so I've got ideas on silhouette, but they don't help much on the other. Any suggestions? Vicki Betts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918
In a cautionary note, what is currently seen printed in vintage mags is often not representative of the actual colors. There are many reasons for this, including the following: Some color variance is due to limits of the then-available ink technology and print processes. Even to the 1990s printing technology did not do dark blues well. Some variance in color is due to artistic taste of graphic artists press technicians the prevailing taste for soft colors in art decor. Some variance in color is due econimical printshop owners. Less ink used = more profit. Cheaper paper, often with high acid content = more profit. In any case, 90 years of age in printed goods is a long, loong time, particular when done in cheap materials. Catalogs are not fine art... they were not made to last any longer than the next catalog issue. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Terry twal...@us.net wrote: Also, somber colors were the norm to wear during WWI. With so many people losing friends and loved ones, bright colors were not always appropriate. Terry ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918
hmm, dear Cin,. . . one caveat to your caveat. . . ink is the least of the expense savers. After 25 years printing letterpress, I know coverage must be thin, because overinking blobs up the result. I'd be far more concerned about color changes due to acid paper than ink coverage. Not sure where you get the 'didn't do dark blues' well. I have a goodly supply of dark blue from the 90s (in a 5 pound can! That's a lifetime for my small letterpress), and it's dark and creamy (under the can skin), and indeed prints dark blue, enough to make print appear black! But your general caveat about printing technology is correct. Ultraviolet affects inks as well as photos. Paper tones from ultraviolet, or on its own, if too acid. And of course there are two more color caveats for the present discussion: the scanner's light temperature/color, and our individual monitor color renditions! Alas. Color is so ephemeral! ==Marjorie Wilser @..@ @..@ @..@ Three Toad Press http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On May 2, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Cin wrote: In a cautionary note, what is currently seen printed in vintage mags is often not representative of the actual colors. There are many reasons for this, including the following: Some color variance is due to limits of the then-available ink technology and print processes. Even to the 1990s printing technology did not do dark blues well. Some variance in color is due to artistic taste of graphic artists press technicians the prevailing taste for soft colors in art decor. Some variance in color is due econimical printshop owners. Less ink used = more profit. Cheaper paper, often with high acid content = more profit. In any case, 90 years of age in printed goods is a long, loong time, particular when done in cheap materials. Catalogs are not fine art... they were not made to last any longer than the next catalog issue. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Terry twal...@us.net wrote: Also, somber colors were the norm to wear during WWI. With so many people losing friends and loved ones, bright colors were not always appropriate. Terry ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918
Period magazines? Can they print color photos in 1918? I mean in a magazine. Would such a thing be cost effective back then? The cover, most like. I dunno. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure where you get the 'didn't do dark blues' well. I have a goodly supply of dark blue from the 90s (in a 5 pound can! That's a lifetime for my small letterpress), and it's dark and creamy (under the can skin), and indeed prints dark blue, enough to make print appear black! Well, I spent several years in the printing press automation business. Regarding 4 color printing, it was one of those things the color separations people and press operators complained about the most... along with trying to print wet looking or shiny images onto newsprint catalogs. Marjorie, you are using what modern commercial press houses would call a speciality color. Yes, you can get any one color you like. For full color dot-printed matter in 4-color KCMY, it's different. For those of you who are curious what we're talking about: Dig up a newsprint copy of the SJ Merc, or the Metro and find a color car ad or a color picture of a cold drink with dew on the side. Look at the same image in the online version. World of difference! We can go on about photographic color spaces, too, as you point out, but we're wandering rather far off topic. Happy to talk shop with you anytime Marjorie! When are you in Silly Valley next? --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918
Soonish. . . little time, too many classes. Now taking ASL for Gerard's benefit, despite the cochlear. Loving the new experience ;) Whoops, OT, stay tuned nother channel. ==Marjorie Wilser (always Silly, despite wrong valley) @..@ @..@ @..@ Three Toad Press http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On May 2, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Cin wrote: Happy to talk shop with you anytime Marjorie! When are you in Silly Valley next? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Color images of summer cotton frocks, 1917-1918
How about illustrations for patterns: http://dressmakingresearch.com Vintage advertisements: http://www.teslogos.com/affiche_publicitaire_coca_cola_beach_girls_1918.html Fashion plates: http://www.bartoscollection.com/ Nadine Pelikan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
