[h-cost] Victorian hat terminology

2013-07-24 Thread Lena
Dear all,

I was asked by a friend about the correct name for a hat type worn by women in 
late 19th century England. And while I do historical costuming, the 19th 
century is really not my thing, so I thought I would ask the experts here.

She described it as a small top hat, bigger and flatter than the miniature top 
hats you see in steampunk garb, often swathed in ribbon and tulle. 

Picture examples: 

- http://100megspop3.com/adira/victoria/1882estacaoa.jpg, the one on the far 
left, though that may be a mutant bonnet.
- http://100megspop3.com/adira/victoria/1884myraa.jpg, on the right.  That's 
bigger and less frouffy (technical term :-) ) than I was thinking of.
- http://100megspop3.com/adira/victoria/1881estacaob.jpg , the middle hat, 
which makes me think that maybe what I'm seeing is a small bonnet worn on top 
of the head? 
Is there a common name for this type of hat? Or are there several different 
ones depending on minute details in appearance and/or construction, 
alternatively no specific name at all?

With thanks,
Lena (mostly lurking)
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Re: [h-cost] Victorian hat terminology

2013-07-24 Thread Cin
Lena,
Names of hats changed alot in the '80s  '90s.  Sometimes the latest
fashionable name was applied to a different style.  (Funny. that still
happens today!)

I'd have your friend look into store catalogs for the period  place 
social milieu she's interested in.  Catalogs are useful in that they
match up a style name with a picture and a price-point.

Here in California, that would probably be Weinstocks of Sacramento
(1890s).  On the east coast perhaps a middle class Sears catalog (if
they sold fashions in '93 and onward) or an uppercrust fashion mag
like Harper's Bazaar.

You'll know your local London  Oxford shops better than I ever could,
so I'll leave you to that.
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
cinbar...@gmail.com


On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Lena lenast...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Dear all,

 I was asked by a friend about the correct name for a hat type worn by women 
 in late 19th century England. And while I do historical costuming, the 19th 
 century is really not my thing, so I thought I would ask the experts here.

 She described it as a small top hat, bigger and flatter than the miniature 
 top hats you see in steampunk garb, often swathed in ribbon and tulle.

 Picture examples:

 - http://100megspop3.com/adira/victoria/1882estacaoa.jpg, the one on the far 
 left, though that may be a mutant bonnet.
 - http://100megspop3.com/adira/victoria/1884myraa.jpg, on the right.  That's 
 bigger and less frouffy (technical term :-) ) than I was thinking of.
 - http://100megspop3.com/adira/victoria/1881estacaob.jpg , the middle hat, 
 which makes me think that maybe what I'm seeing is a small bonnet worn on top 
 of the head?
 Is there a common name for this type of hat? Or are there several different 
 ones depending on minute details in appearance and/or construction, 
 alternatively no specific name at all?

 With thanks,
 Lena (mostly lurking)
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