[h-cost] civility
Fran, Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. You do greater harm by them. Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and try to read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because clearly you have great knowledge. With regret, Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On 5/12/2010 12:51 PM, Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: Fran, Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. No, actually, as I always do in these circumstances, I very carefully asked the person I contacted if copyright permission was given and said if not, they might be interested. You do greater harm by them. How can I do harm if permission was given and I just made a mistake? If theft occurred, theft is not civil. If it did not coccur, no harm done. I don't agree with the female reenactor definition of civility as doing whatever other people want and an uncivil person as whoever you personally dislike or is not in your clique. If people like me, fine. If they don't like me, I sincerely don't care. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I also, by the way, do not even remotely feel threatened if people say they don't read my posts, or that they won't. I don't read many posts on email lists either. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Fran, I plead with you to take head of Dear Astrida's coment. This incredibly strong and wonderful woman has very kindly expressed an opinion in a way that was clear and though it gently corrected...it was kind. WE can ALL learn a lot from how she stated things. Bambi (To be named later) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 From: Schaeffer, Astrida astrida.schaef...@unh.edu To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 3:51:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] civility Fran, Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. You do greater harm by them. Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and try to read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because clearly you have great knowledge. With regret, Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Sure, calling people poisonous is gentle. Look: If someone says they did not seek permission for work they are distributing on an email list, website, etc, I raise the possibility with the publisher, author, or distributor as to whether copyright theft occurred and give them contact information so they can, if they wish, work things out with the person or people distributing their work. That's all. Fran On 5/12/2010 1:18 PM, Bambi TBNL wrote: Fran, I plead with you to take head of Dear Astrida's coment. This incredibly strong and wonderful woman has very kindly expressed an opinion in a way that was clear and though it gently corrected...it was kind. WE can ALL learn a lot from how she stated things. Bambi (To be named later) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 From: Schaeffer, Astridaastrida.schaef...@unh.edu To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 3:51:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] civility Fran, Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. You do greater harm by them. Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and try to read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because clearly you have great knowledge. With regret, Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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My understanding is that one or two pages were scanned and sent privately, to be used in private research. Under the copyright laws with which I am familiar (and I don't know which country's laws would apply in this case), this constitutes Fair Use, and is therefore would seem to be NOT theft or piracy. 2010/5/12, Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com: Sure, calling people poisonous is gentle. Look: If someone says they did not seek permission for work they are distributing on an email list, website, etc, I raise the possibility with the publisher, author, or distributor as to whether copyright theft occurred and give them contact information so they can, if they wish, work things out with the person or people distributing their work. That's all. Fran On 5/12/2010 1:18 PM, Bambi TBNL wrote: Fran, I plead with you to take head of Dear Astrida's coment. This incredibly strong and wonderful woman has very kindly expressed an opinion in a way that was clear and though it gently corrected...it was kind. WE can ALL learn a lot from how she stated things. Bambi (To be named later) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 From: Schaeffer, Astridaastrida.schaef...@unh.edu To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 3:51:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] civility Fran, Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. You do greater harm by them. Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and try to read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because clearly you have great knowledge. With regret, Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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If nothing illegal occurred under German copyright law, no harm done by mentioning to the copyright holder. Fran On 5/12/2010 2:18 PM, Rachel Sohn wrote: My understanding is that one or two pages were scanned and sent privately, to be used in private research. Under the copyright laws with which I am familiar (and I don't know which country's laws would apply in this case), this constitutes Fair Use, and is therefore would seem to be NOT theft or piracy. 2010/5/12, Lavolta Pressf...@lavoltapress.com: Sure, calling people poisonous is gentle. Look: If someone says they did not seek permission for work they are distributing on an email list, website, etc, I raise the possibility with the publisher, author, or distributor as to whether copyright theft occurred and give them contact information so they can, if they wish, work things out with the person or people distributing their work. That's all. Fran On 5/12/2010 1:18 PM, Bambi TBNL wrote: Fran, I plead with you to take head of Dear Astrida's coment. This incredibly strong and wonderful woman has very kindly expressed an opinion in a way that was clear and though it gently corrected...it was kind. WE can ALL learn a lot from how she stated things. Bambi (To be named later) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 From: Schaeffer, Astridaastrida.schaef...@unh.edu To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 3:51:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] civility Fran, Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. You do greater harm by them. Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and try to read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because clearly you have great knowledge. With regret, Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I'm forseeing the usual endless gyrations justifying piracy and a parasitic attitude. I've gotten tired of the justifications for piracy. I just report everything that seems questionable to me to the copyright holder and let them determine whether they want that use to be made. Fran On 5/12/2010 2:18 PM, Rachel Sohn wrote: My understanding is that one or two pages were scanned and sent privately, to be used in private research. Under the copyright laws with which I am familiar (and I don't know which country's laws would apply in this case), this constitutes Fair Use, and is therefore would seem to be NOT theft or piracy. 2010/5/12, Lavolta Pressf...@lavoltapress.com: Sure, calling people poisonous is gentle. Look: If someone says they did not seek permission for work they are distributing on an email list, website, etc, I raise the possibility with the publisher, author, or distributor as to whether copyright theft occurred and give them contact information so they can, if they wish, work things out with the person or people distributing their work. That's all. Fran On 5/12/2010 1:18 PM, Bambi TBNL wrote: Fran, I plead with you to take head of Dear Astrida's coment. This incredibly strong and wonderful woman has very kindly expressed an opinion in a way that was clear and though it gently corrected...it was kind. WE can ALL learn a lot from how she stated things. Bambi (To be named later) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 From: Schaeffer, Astridaastrida.schaef...@unh.edu To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 3:51:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] civility Fran, Your actions assume much and jump to great and unsubstantiated conclusions. You do greater harm by them. Every time I decide to see if your posts have gotten less poisonous and try to read them again, I see that they have not. This is a sadness, because clearly you have great knowledge. With regret, Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] civility
My understanding is that one or two pages were scanned and sent privately, to be used in private research. Under the copyright laws with which I am familiar (and I don't know which country's laws would apply in this case), this constitutes Fair Use, and is therefore would seem to be NOT theft or piracy. Just like going to the public library, getting the book and making Xeroxes of a few pages I know...so old fashion these days, but the same. Personally, this civility fight is stupid and both parties are exaggerating! C'mon! Play nice! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Personally, this civility fight is stupid and both parties are exaggerating! Gyrations, gyrations. It is perfectly civil to ask someone if you may copy their work and perfect civil to facilitate that, if the copying parties do not do it themselves. If people are afraid the copyright holder will refuse they should ask themselves why. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
